National Front leads the polls in France

[medusala]

Good thing the EU got a Nobel Prize for fostering peace. Pride before the fall.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/financ...-to-take-bets-on-frexit-and-the-french-franc/

The Front National is now the most popular party in France with 24pc according to a new Ifop poll. Both the two great governing parties of the post-War era have fallen behind for the first time ever. The Gaullistes (UMP) are at 22pc, and the Socialists at 21pc

We have a minor earthquake in France. A party committed to withdrawal from the euro, the restoration of French franc, and the complete destruction of monetary union has just defeated the establishment in the Brignoles run-off election.

 

[blackcat]

Good thing the EU got a Nobel Prize for fostering peace. Pride before the fall.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/financ...-to-take-bets-on-frexit-and-the-french-franc/

The Front National is now the most popular party in France with 24pc according to a new Ifop poll. Both the two great governing parties of the post-War era have fallen behind for the first time ever. The Gaullistes (UMP) are at 22pc, and the Socialists at 21pc

We have a minor earthquake in France. A party committed to withdrawal from the euro, the restoration of French franc, and the complete destruction of monetary union has just defeated the establishment in the Brignoles run-off election.

can remember Sarkozy going off his tree when he was opposition leader about 7 years ago when there were iterationII'67 riots in the banlieu(s) of Paris.

la haine. great movie, s**t subtitles

 

[John]

So how many wars have there been in the Euro zone since 1945?

 

[The_Reaper]

So how many wars have there been in the Euro zone since 1945?

Had nothing at all to do with the aftermath of WWII?

Or the europeans (bar Russia) no longer being big boys?

 

[little graham]

So how many wars have there been in the Euro zone since 1945?

Can we count countries in the euro zone in a war with countries outside? Can we count conflicts countries inside the euro zone have created/manipulated/supplied/supported etc etc..

Because you'll be hard pressed to find a war a Euro zone country has not been involved or profited from.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Hope they're not a sister party to the U.K's National Front. Racists and bigots don't deserve to hold any kind of public office anywhere on the planet.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Hope they're not a sister party to the U.K's National Front. Racists and bigots don't deserve to hold any kind of public office anywhere on the planet.

Not even in the democratic countries?

 

[Power Raid]

No need for a stable immigration policy here in Australia as we would never see the rise of a racist political party like the National Front or One Nation would we?

 

[Power Raid]

You can manage with enemy if they are on the outside of your borders. It is much harder to manage the enemy within.

24% hey? what level of support did Hitler need to gain power?




geez those europeans are slow learners leaping from socialism driven by hatred of wealth to racism driven by hatred of everyone else having the wealth.

 

[The_Reaper]

You can manage with enemy if they are on the outside of your borders. It is much harder to manage the enemy within.

24% hey? what level of support did Hitler need to gain power?




geez those europeans are slow learners leaping from socialism driven by hatred of wealth to racism driven by hatred of everyone else having the wealth.

Europe will be scary as s**t if the US defaults.

 

[Power Raid]

Europe will be scary as s**t if the US defaults.

last time I was there I could here the nazi's roaming the streets at 2am in the morning.

it is pretty scary these elements still exist let alone are flourishing

 

[medusala]

So how many wars have there been in the Euro zone since 1945?

Correlation does NOT = causation

Does anyone argue NAFTA has stopped the USA going to war with Mexico?

 

[blackcat]

this for Meds

WRAP Aftermath of shooting Sarkozy comment burning cars News 2005

 

[blackcat]

he really went all Bibi Netanyahu on all the Algerians and Black Africans.

think General Massu and Le Pen

 

[medusala]

this for Meds

WRAP Aftermath of shooting Sarkozy comment burning cars News 2005

Sarko fixed that. Stopped the collection of stats.

 

[John]

Correlation does NOT = causation

Does anyone argue NAFTA has stopped the USA going to war with Mexico?

So based on that analogy the downfall of the Weimar republic was the cause of the 2nd world war. When called out your viewing of history is a disappointment. It may impress a few around here but it to me is up there with the Marxist historical view, complete black and white. If you would dare to look deeper you will realise that there are many shades of grey.

Your sneering of the Noble Peace prize given to the EU is par for the course in that respect. You may also as well also sneer at Betty Williams and Mariread Maguire while you are at it.

The EU has been a force for peace whether you like it or not. I might add that I am not defending the EU as an economic entity, others can do that if they so wish but the EU has offered a hell of a lot and deserved it's gong. This is neither a belief based on the nonsense that people call "left" or "right" nor the debate between Keynesian or Austrian Economic theory. It is based on the observation that I have made through my readings on European history.

No matter what the advent of the EU was based on (conscious or otherwise) the fact that the vast majority of Europeans had had enough of war. They needed some mechanism to stop them killing each other as they had done for untold centuries and to be brutal it has worked. Euro peace is now reached a point were some are now unable to even remember war. If the organisation was such a deceit in the pursuit of peace why would many of the eastern bloke countries have clamoured to get into it. Because it was an aid to peace with their neighbours via economic cooperation. Yes there have been economic issues but in the end no one is sending tanks across borders and the rise of the vote of the French National Front hardly proves that it did not deserve a peace prize.

The National Front in France are nothing new by the way. They have appealed to the French's natural racialist tendencies anyway, France also has a long history of anti-Semitism and lets not forget their many religious wars among others so to sneer on the sidelines that the EU is the obvious cause of their rise is simplistic.

You once told me the EU was the "cause of suffering by millions". This is an outlandish statement and leaves you little creditability on the subject. You are so anti EU that you are prepared to make statements about what you in the end do not want to understand. Had you never heard that 10's of millions died in the first 45 years of the European 20th Century. Many of starvation I might add. Who in Europe is being killed by war and for that matter is there mass starvation.

You parrot the anti Euro English. In the WW2 the English were well fed in comparison to many and no one starved. With that has come an arrogant kick out towards the continent, a continent that has at least willing to attempt to be part of a brave move forward, away from a brutal past. England by comparison to Europe hardly suffered a dint in the 2nd world war other than it's economic health. This has allowed it to act isolationist and carp on from the sidelines because of a lack of historical understanding.

 

[medusala]

The EU has been a force for peace whether you like it or not.

And there you were banging on about black and white. It is a huge stretch to say the EU has been a force for peace. On what possible basis? Security for Europe was provided by NATO. If security provides peace then one must argue it is NATO and not the EU which has ensured peace. The rebuilding of Germany was also helped by American $ and protection. There was no way the German people wanted to go to war again. Who was going to invade another country? France and the UK were and are the only ones with any decent military might.

They needed some mechanism to stop them killing each other as they had done for untold centuries and to be brutal it has worked.

On what possible basis can you say there would have been a war without the EU?

How can you claim causation?

Euro peace is now reached a point were some are now unable to even remember war. If the organisation was such a deceit in the pursuit of peace why would many of the eastern bloke countries have clamoured to get into it.

$$$$$$$ Very simple. And security (which isn't provided by the EU).

You once told me the EU was the "cause of suffering by millions". This is an outlandish statement and leaves you little creditability on the subject.

Ask the Irish, Portugese and Greeks. The youth unemployment reached over 50% in Spain and Greece. That isn't opinion. That is fact.

England by comparison to Europe hardly suffered a dint in the 2nd world war other than it's economic health.

Little thing called the Blitz. I must have missed the Paris Blitz and the Stockholm Blitz and the Lisbon Blitz etc etc when I studied history at school. Its not like the Poms fought on alone against the Germans.

This has allowed it to act isolationist and carp on from the sidelines because of a lack of historical understanding.

Why would the UK want to chain itself to a sinking ship? That would be utter stupidity. If the UK joined the EURO it would have likely have collapsed as per Ireland. The UK loses out substantially from its EU membership.

As always Rupert nails it

 

[John]

You quoted Rupert. Think for yourself.

 

[medusala]

Even the French voted against an EU treaty. When was the last time the EU accounts were signed off by the auditors? How many leaders has it imposed on sovereign countries? Did the EU accept a negative verdict on a treaty vote or did it make sure another vote was taken?

The EU makes Sussex St look like the CWA when it comes to corruption and malpractice.

 

[John]

Your obsessed.

 

[skilts]

That's why they're known as The Front.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Not even in the democratic countries?

To my way of thinking, intolerance, bigotry and hate are things we should try to extinguish from society and from the world. In a democracy to run a nation is run it on behalf of ALL it's constituent parts - those that voted for you and your policies and those who didn't.

To run on policies of exclusion and bigotry, and to win office through those policies, may fulfil the 'majority rules' aspect of the democratic process - but does it serve the common good of a nation? Does it promote inclusion and attempt a run at harmony between the different constituent parts that make up a modern nation?

I'm black, she's white, they're yellow. We're all human. Why should I hate that woman because she's white? Why should I hate them because their eyes are different than mine?

It's schoolyard bullshit, this fear of difference and fear of diversity. Childish, utterly childish. We must learn to grow the f*ck up together.

I'm in two minds about outright banning of ideals. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, I hold to that. But when opinions on cultural separatism and anti-diversity lead to this

what other options will be left? Education can help. A child who grows up going to a multicultural school and learning not to fear other cultures has a head start.

Education is key.

But education won't always destroy the seed already sown, germinated and grown. What then?

 

[Contra Mundum]

Good thing the EU got a Nobel Prize for fostering peace. Pride before the fall.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/financ...-to-take-bets-on-frexit-and-the-french-franc/

The Front National is now the most popular party in France with 24pc according to a new Ifop poll. Both the two great governing parties of the post-War era have fallen behind for the first time ever. The Gaullistes (UMP) are at 22pc, and the Socialists at 21pc

We have a minor earthquake in France. A party committed to withdrawal from the euro, the restoration of French franc, and the complete destruction of monetary union has just defeated the establishment in the Brignoles run-off election.

I just had a french exchange student for six weeks at home - he did not want to read Le Monde because it was "left wing rubbish" and he was unnervingly familiar with the policies of the NF and the Le Pen family!

This is what Marion Le Pen looks like:

 

[Smiling Buddha]

To my way of thinking, intolerance, bigotry and hate are things we should try to extinguish from society and from the world.

So you cannot tolerate those who are, to your way of thinking, intolerant.

No problemo.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Maybe I don't. Democracy can lead to great good, or great evil. In an economic crisis where people are losing their jobs and the nation's industrial and manufacturing base packs up to move to peanuts-by-the-hour countries, say a political party rises who seizes on these things and blames the influx of migrant labour. Illegals.

We grew here they flew here. Or floated here. They took our jobs.

People are pissed off and this party is voted in. It now has a mandate to make things tough for the migrant community, and to the multicultural component of the entire nation. Tensions erupt into violence. More extreme law & order measures against protesters of the status-quo are drafted. The nation turns on itself.

Is this good? Is this great? Is this wonderful?

Or is it a case of democracy failing? Ignorance fuelled by tough times leading to a 'tyranny of the majority'?