National Front leads the polls in France

[Aed0s]

What are you talking about?

The thread you started is about Front National, who are a French protectionist party. If you view
reducing trade between states as Thatcherism, then good luck to you. National Front is also well known for its nationalism, its populist trade on racial issues, and its holocaust denial. It is very well known for its racism.

As for the UK Independence Party (UKIP), what does that have to do with the French National Front Party?

Why are you defending my criticism of your support of Front National with a discussion of another Party from a different nation? I'm honestly confused?! Have I missed something here?

Vous êtes stupide et faux. Mais vous êtes cohérent.

What's racist about wanting to deport illegal, criminal, and unemployed immigrants?

You better stop spewing lies and half truths. There's only been accusations of Holocaust denial. One of the members doesn't deny the existence of concentration camps he only disputed the 6 million figure and used revisionist figures. No Holocaust denying going on mate. Most prominent revisionists dispute the 'official' figure anyway.

Again, how is it racist for wanting to protect your borders and wanting to lower the amount of immigrants that enter your country? Citizens of France have the right to object to it and it seems as if they don't want any more low-skilled or no skilled immigrants entering their country. The open borders policy and the anti-social multiculturalist policies are really going to affect France/England/Germany/Scandinavia 10-20 years from now.

 

[Aed0s]

Hollande is a dunce, and from my experience the french people in France cannot stand him.

Ile-de-France may be an influential department, but it is only one department. France is hurting and the French can be nasty sons of bitches so I wouldnt like to be betting on anyone in the future.

Most French are too frightened to come out publicly in support of National Front, but the support is definitely there. Last polls showed them to be around 20-25%. The French have been told not to identify with it but there's a subconscious but natural feeling to being against the destruction of their culture, the distortion of their history and the bastardisation of everything they've built for centuries.

But Hollande and his social buddies have no clue whatsoever how their anti-social, anti-French policies are going to affect France in the short and long term future. You can't reason with these deluded clowns. The EU have some of the strictest laws against free speech in the Western world. When the French are too scared to report racial crime because they're in fear of being labelled a 'racist' (an invented leftist hate term) then you know something is seriously wrong.

Sure there's going to a minority of racists in every political party. The French who dislike immigrants simply for disliking them, non-French racists who dislike the French way of life and want to force their own culture down the throat of French society. The petty communist and anarchist street thugs (yes, even right-wingers are frequently gang-bashed).

And leftists tend to assume that if you don't believe in their particular political solutions then you somehow automatically don't really care about the people that they claim to help. Strange.

Who knows? Perhaps 20-30 years down the line there may be a desire for another revolution.

 

[Aed0s]

They sure do teach them from a young age!

 

[Contra Mundum]

Cute rebuttal. Simply adorable! And no, I'm not your bestie Andrew.

Ohh, the tolerant democracy that is Australia! I wouldn't want the 'thought police' on my back no matter how much truth I spill. The idea is to instill fear into their opponents, isn't it? Glad to see Soviet tactics haven't been truly abandoned by the West after all...

Is is ok to call someone a boong or n i g g e r or towel head or is that an offence against freedom of speech. It's political correctness gone mad to insist on civility

 

[Malifice]

The bold is true to a point, it seems more difficult for the police to arrest and punish non-French purely because they don't feel all that safe. There is a street strip near where my gGFs parents live and it is very heavily Arabic populated. I observed three police do what looked to be a routine license check on a man. One police spoke to the man, another police stood off 30 meters with his back to the wall observing, while the 3rd police stayed on the other side of the car with the radio close to his mouth. My gf pointed out a security camera on the opposite corner that faced this corner, and we watched it move towards the police. That cameranwasmput there after police had been attacked there before. There are certain parts of that city, Nimes, that police just won't go into unless its absolutely nescisary. Like someone being shot.

Conversely, my lawyer told me if I stayed out of trouble and not commit any crimes the police would never look sideways at me, but he has African and Arabic clients who get asked daily on the streets of Nice to provide proof of ID.

Doesn't this to you sound like certain ethnicities in France are actually being targeted by the police?

No fewer than three cops, one doing the questioning, one observing 30m away, and the last one with a radio - all plus an automated camera another 30m away... just to do a routine licence check?

I think your lawyer was right.

 

[Aed0s]

Doesn't this to you sound like certain ethnicities in France are actually being targeted by the police?

No fewer than three cops, one doing the questioning, one observing 30m away, and the last one with a radio - all plus an automated camera another 30m away... just to do a routine licence check?

I think your lawyer was right.

The logical conclusion seems to show that Muslims in France have a strong propensity for crime and anti-social behaviour.

This prison is majority Muslim -- as is virtually every house of incarceration in France. About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country's prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country's population.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR2008042802560.html

 

[The Dice Man]

Doesn't this to you sound like certain ethnicities in France are actually being targeted by the police?

No fewer than three cops, one doing the questioning, one observing 30m away, and the last one with a radio - all plus an automated camera another 30m away... just to do a routine licence check?

I think your lawyer was right.

You can see it that way, or you can take into account that the police are not safe in areas like this. There is a distinct possibility they will be attacked and overwhelmed. It's real and it happens and often it's the arabics who do it, and get away unpunished by it.

As for what my lawyer told me you missed an important part, if I keep my head down and stay out of trouble then I shouldn't be noticed. A lot of the trouble comes from that part of the modern French demographic. I see it myself.

 

[The Dice Man]

I'd like to add that there is a very real situation, perhaps more with the extreme types, that they think * French law, * French police and * your way of life.

A lot, not all, but a lot do not respect the laws and customs of the French people. Yet it is the French fault, they let them in in the 60s to help build new cities, villes, and after the building their was no work, so that sat around on street corners seeking other ways.


Best time in France = Ramadan

 

[Aed0s]

I'd like to add that there is a very real situation, perhaps more with the extreme types, that they think **** French law, **** French police and **** your way of life.

A lot, not all, but a lot do not respect the laws and customs of the French people. Yet it is the French fault, they let them in in the 60s to help build new cities, villes, and after the building their was no work, so that sat around on street corners seeking other ways.


Best time in France = Ramadan

This report paints an accurate portrayal of the irrational and failed anti-social immigration policies in France.

 

[The Dice Man]

This report paints an accurate portrayal of the irrational and failed anti-social immigration policies in France.

That explains what I was trying to express a lot better, and although I'm around 900kms from Paris it is the same here and in other cities I've lived in.

 

[Slax]

Or is it a case of democracy failing? Ignorance fuelled by tough times leading to a 'tyranny of the majority'?

The latter, you can hardly say it is democracy failing it is the exact opposite it is democracy working.

The swing to nationalist parties started well before the GFC, it has moved west through Europe over the last 15 years, pretty much along with the Eastern Europeans as they search for better paying jobs and more opportunity. People got sick of losing their jobs and having migrants trample on their traditions and culture, we don't have a well defined social structure and culture like Western Europe, yet are getting annoyed with boat people, the issue is multiplied.

The other reason why nationalist parties have grown in support is because of the loss of national identity because of the EU. Ethnic hatred and distrust runs deep in Europe (after trying to kill each other for a few thousand years can understand why), but somehow people think this will all be forgotten for the economic and social benefit for all, not bloody likely.

 

[Power Raid]

people forget France supported both sides of the war during ww2. They like most countries have an issue with the race issue simmering and exposes itself during tougher times.

 

[clogged]

people forget France supported both sides of the war during ww2.

That is quite a dumb thing to say.

 

[Power Raid]

That is quite a dumb thing to say.

why?

part of the reason they fell so easily was one half of france was leaning toward communism. socialism whilst the other half was leaning toward facism.

It is normal for the extreme elements both left and right to emerge during tough times like the 20s and 30s

 

[medusala]

It's political correctness gone mad to insist on civility

Double plus ungood Comrade.

 

[Malifice]

The logical conclusion seems to show that Muslims in France have a strong propensity for crime and anti-social behaviour.

The question is why?

You can see it that way, or you can take into account that the police are not safe in areas like this. There is a distinct possibility they will be attacked and overwhelmed. It's real and it happens and often it's the arabics who do it, and get away unpunished by it.

You say they 'get away unpunished for it' however it appears as if (according to the post above) no fewer than 60-70 percent of the prison population is 'Muslim' (despite representing only 12 percent of the population), and have stated yourself that 'Arabic' people get targeted by police to an extent that 'white' people... don't.

A 500% over representation in the prison system indicates to me that they are in fact targeted by the police, and they are not in fact 'getting away with it'.

As for what my lawyer told me you missed an important part, if I keep my head down and stay out of trouble then I shouldn't be noticed.

Isn't that just common sense?

 

[medusala]

That is quite a dumb thing to say.

http://www.theomnivore.co.uk/Book/4..._France_Fighting_Vichy_1940_1942/Default.aspx

 

[clogged]

http://www.theomnivore.co.uk/Book/4..._France_Fighting_Vichy_1940_1942/Default.aspx

Don't see the big deal though. Had Hitler taken the UK, which was reasonable enough to a close run thing, Moseley et al (and the former king) would have helped run his government. There were Nazi sympathisers everywhere.

 

[medusala]

Don't see the big deal though.

There was a decent amount of fighting in North Africa ie Poms vs Vichy French troops.

Having a Quisling type in charge is a bit different to actually fighting on the same side as the mob that invaded you.

 

[clogged]

People join the military to think for themselves?

 

[The Dice Man]

The question is why?



You say they 'get away unpunished for it' however it appears as if (according to the post above) no fewer than 60-70 percent of the prison population is 'Muslim' (despite representing only 12 percent of the population), and have stated yourself that 'Arabic' people get targeted by police to an extent that 'white' people... don't.

A 500% over representation in the prison system indicates to me that they are in fact targeted by the police, and they are not in fact 'getting away with it'.



Isn't that just common sense?

There is a strong perception they get away with it. I'm not here to banter back and forth regarding studies, statistics and theories, I'm just passing on what I see and hear after 18 months living here. And a few of the places I've lived here are very heavily Arab populated areas. I've met a couple of Arabic friends of my girls and even they can't stand the majority of their 'brothers and sisters' for the s**t they do and the way they behave.

It's not just the white French who have the problems with them.

 

[Malifice]

There is a strong perception they get away with it.

I'm suggesting that perhaps that perception doesn't reflect the reality.

And perhaps the targeting of them (and clear antipathy towards them) generates a feeling of alienation and persecution that itself contributes to the problem.

 

[The Dice Man]

I'm suggesting that perhaps that perception doesn't reflect the reality.

And perhaps the targeting of them (and clear antipathy towards them) generates a feeling of alienation and persecution that itself contributes to the problem.

No doubt it does and probably more with every generation, but that's the sticky situation they are all in. There is no solution, or any realistic one anyway. I've heard French say they would like to kick them all out, but you just can't do that. Any type of civil war or cleansing would be horrorfying. They're up the merde good and proper.

A lot of young French are different from their older more traditional, stay at home generations. The older types would never leave France, except to Italy or Spain for holidays, rather they would head south or to their country estates for their Augusts.

The younger generations are more willing to travel abroad, and seek other opportunities believing their own country is too intrinsic and lost in old ways. Ironic further that they're very open to the Americanization of their McCountry, which I personally find very sad, having witnessed Australia become a country with no identity or sense of self.

In the more secular small regions you would barely see an Arab face, by the same token you won't see a lot of early 20s French faces either, as they all want to leave for Paris, or London, or New York or Bondi.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Avatar is of UKIP chap so I thought you were referring to that. Apologies for incorrectly inferring that. All French parties are muppets.



Exactement. Merci beacoup mon ami.

LOL. J'accepte vos excuses, merci mon ami.

Yet you still haven't addressed my criticism. I repeat: you are batting for a socially conservative party that has no relation to your economic beliefs.

I mean, you have this whole thing going on where you don't like Islam, Feminism, Immigration, Multiculturalism, Gays, and whatever else conservative people like you don't like. That is clear for all to see. Yet you place yourself in the bizarre and inconsistent position of supporting a Parties social conservatism, despite its economic stance being at a complete disconnect.

I find this a great example of the poverty of conservative thought in general, which fails to connect to the economic sphere to social outcomes. I mean, the fact you can't see the global diaspora and general cultural changes - including immigration, multiculturalism, the rise of gay rights, the rise of woman - as specific repercussions of global capitalism is in itself hilarious. Alternatively, the fact you will support an economic protectionist party due only to its social stance, says to me you are prepared to cut off your nose to spite your face (as that gruesome saying goes).

It's kinda weird, really.

 

[medusala]

. Alternatively, the fact you will support an economic protectionist party due only to its social stance, says to me you are prepared to cut off your nose to spite your face (as that gruesome saying goes).

I don't support an economic protectionist party.