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I'm learning to tread carefully when dealing with Pats fans.You did the right thing....first ask permission whether it's okay to ask a question
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I'm learning to tread carefully when dealing with Pats fans.You did the right thing....first ask permission whether it's okay to ask a question
Actually this isn't even a conspiracy against the pats. This is a journo with a few nfl influenced tid bits to get the story really goingCan I ask Pats fans, what would be the motivation for the conspiracy you think is being waged against the Patriots?
PHOENIX - The schedule of exhibits and activities for this year’s NFL Experience, the league’s annual interactive playground held in the days leading up to the Super Bowl, were set long before the term, “Deflategate” -- for better or worse -- entered into our general consciousness. But among the obstacle zones, passing clinics, and autograph sessions that attracted thousands of fans to the Phoenix Convention Center on Sunday, it was the booth for Wilson Sporting Goods Co. that was of particular relevance, since fans could watch the creation of the company’s league-regulated footballs from scratch.
Pressurization and all.
The process took on greater prescience at the Phoenix Convention Center, where the Experience is being held through next weekend. For at few times in the game's history have fans cared so much about what goes into the creation of a football, never mind debating just how levels of air pressure can play a role in giving a quarterback a significant advantage.
After workers inserted the balls’ bladders then sent it to a second stage where they were laced up, the products passed through a hissing machine that loosely resembled a pair of paint can-sized tubes, injecting up to 120 pounds of air pressure into the footballs before bringing it back down to its regulation weight.
“The inside of that canister is the size we want the ball to be,” Wilson representative Jim Jenkins said, “so it’s going to stretch. Goes to 120 pounds for one minute, then back down to 13, and then when it comes out, see how nice everything looks? All the seams are perfect, laces are perfect. That’s what that does right there and it comes out 13 pounds per square inch.”
Thirteen.
The finished products, a few dozen identical Super Bowl XLIX-branded balls, sat in a metal crate, every last one with the very same PSI measurement, according to Wilson. Jenkins even confidently offered a friendly wager with his inquisitor if he were somehow proven wrong.
But every single one?
“Put it this way,” he said, “between 12.5 and 13.5. That’s the legal limit by the NFL.”
That is, of course, a range that Patriots fans, not to mention their detractors, have become all-too-familiar with over the past week, when the NFL officially launched an investigation into whether or not the team, including quarterback Tom Brady, were deflating footballs below the legal limit. A mid-week report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen stated that 11 of 12 balls used in last Sunday’s AFC Championship game win over the Indianapolis Colts were off by as much as two PSI. Patriots head coach Bill Belichick and Brady responded to the allegations last Thursday with little more than “What Me Worry,” followed up by Belichick’s last-straw denial in a surprise press conference on Saturday afternoon.
"We simulated a game day situation in terms of the preparation of the football and where the footballs were at various points in time during the day, or night, as the case was Sunday,” Belichick said. “I would say that our preparation process for the footballs is what we do. I can’t speak for anybody else. It’s what we do. That process, we have found raises the PSI [pounds per square inch] approximately one pound. That process of creating a tackiness, a texture – the right feel, whatever that feel is, it’s just a sensation for the quarterback, what’s the right feel. That process elevates the PSI approximately one pound based on what our study showed, which was multiple footballs, multiple examples in the process, as we would do for a game. It’s not one football.”
Of course, the majority of Patriots fans bought it. Time will tell if the NFL bought it.
But Bill Nye the Science Guy didn’t. And neither did Jenkins.
“Not going to say,” Jenkins said when asked what he thought about Belichick’s explanation before immediately relenting with a laugh. “That’s BS. That’s BS, man.”
So, how would it happen? Jenkins, who freely admitted he’s a Browns fan from Cleveland, where Belichick isn’t all that highly-regarded to this day, shook his head.
“Only the New England Patriots know.”
Jenkins suggested “maybe in a year or two” the PSI would fluctuate after being introduced to different environments, which seems to fly in the face of the dozens upon dozens of amateur science experiments that took place throughout New England last week. He did, however, relent that the ball’s pressure may change if you put it in a freezer, then unfreeze it.
So, it indeed appears as if though Wilson is also calling foul on the New England Patriots.
"Well it couldn't unless something happened to a bladder, but that really doesn't happen and there's no other real way,” Wilson’s director of experiential marketing Molly Wallace said. “All we know is what we can control is when it leaves the factory it's within an NFL spec, within the PSI of 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds of pressure for every single NFL team.”
Stitched, sealed, and delivered.
Wilson doesn’t seem to be putting any stock into atmospheric factors playing a role in the NFL’s latest “scandal.”
We would all love to leave the whole deflategate behind us.
But when the NFL makes a statement about how they will penalize Marshawn for a crotch grab in the Super Bowl but won't discuss the integrity of the game with the rest of the world....the NFL deserves to be called out for its ineptitude.
And thank you Wilson (football manufacturer) for calling out Belichick's bullshit....(video inside link below)....
http://www.boston.com/sports/column..._wilson_doesnt_seem_to_buy_belichicks_sc.html
Ugh, Wilson.And yet we have had other scientific evidence which shows atmospheric conditions do change PSI. Who to believe?
The NFL (Goodell to be exact) needs to be stripped of Commish like 5 years ago already. He's such a waste of space/air/bodily matter, etc.I started by saying the NFL aught to be shot the handling of this among many other things. People keep pointing to Kraft Godell connections like they are helping us some how.
People might like to consider these numbers I posted last night.I believe in coincidence. It happens all the time.
So let's look at Brady's numbers.
Up to the 2006 season, Brady's quarterback rating (excluding his first season where he got one start) deviated between 85 to 93% and he threw between 12 to 14 interceptions in those regular seasons and he threw between 18 to 28 TDs in regular season in those seasons.
From the 2007 season Brady's quarterback rating ( excluding 2008 where he played one game) deviated between 87.3 and 117.2% and he threw between 4 and 13 interceptions and he threw between 25 and 50 TDs in those seasons.
Belichick is a hell of a coach and from 2007 took Brady to the next level......
Late edit: Peyton Manning's numbers are relatively consistent over the course of his career as are Brees' numbers but using the above year breakdown, there is a difference between Roethlisberger's post 2006 number and before ( although he was just starting out).
I love it, so bitter enjoy the couch fellas!!And we all enjoy seeing the Jets'
At least we can all agree about Goodell. He's just evil.I'm more than happy to see the back of Goodell as would any fan in their right mind. Not sure how much I rate the favoritism but you can have your views and I won't hold it against you.
Jets players enjoy seeing Patriots in another controversy
Posted by Darin Gantt on January 26, 2015, 6:33 AM EST
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We’ve found someone more skeptical of Bill Belichick’s #DeflateGate claims than Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Jets Pro Bowlers Nick Mangold and Sheldon Richardson said after the Pro Bowl they weren’t surprised to hear their division rivals involved in another controversy.
“That’s the Patriots,” Richardson said, via Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post. “I’m not surprised at all. If they ain’t winning with controversy, they ain’t winning. . . .
“It’s funny when they say, ‘We keep it professional and clean cut.’ Because they don’t. They don’t at all.”
Mangold was also skeptical of the fact 11 of the 12 balls the Patriots put into play were all under-inflated, while none of the Colts’ were.
“All 12 of [the Patriots’] balls having something wrong with them does tell you something is amiss,” Mangold said. “It does seem like it’s always something with the Patriots. It does seem that way.”
And it does seem like the Jets would be all too happy to enjoy their rivals’ misfortune
It's amateur hour.Any comments on this GG?
It's amateur hour.
I only listen to Wilson themselves. They are the ones who know their footballs, and their rigorous testing etc. Also, like I said early....football has been played for 100 years outdoors in warm/cold weather and never has there been a problem, no defects even. ONLY time has been suddenly now under the caretaking of the Patriots since pushing for and getting the rule change to allow teams to provide their own balls.
Damning in itself is that all 12 Colts balls retained their air pressure etc for the entire 4 hours. Yet all 12 Patriots balls didn't at half-time. Definitely nothing to do with the BS amateur science Belichick had all you Pats fans believing -- and all the other amateur hour science videos.
The ball boy took all 24 balls into the bathroom, and 12 of them (all Pats balls) were underinflated at that point. Under directive by Brady/Belichick no doubt. The Colts balls didn't because they weren't asking for any shenanigans to happen with the ball.