NSW Bias - myth?

[Adelaide Hawk]

How'd you manage to quote Adelaide Hawk?

Good question

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

South Australia

IM Chappell
LE Favell/J Darling
C Hill
GS Chappell
DS Lehmann
DW Hookes/GS Blewett/TM Moody
G Giffen
BJ Jarman
JN Gillespie
AA Mallett
RM Hogg/G Noblet/E Jones

As far as I know, Les Favell was born in NSW, Ashley Mallett was born in WA, Rodney Hogg was born in Victoria. Could be wrong though.
You could add Trevor Chappell and Jeff Hammond to the list.

 

[The Speaker]

As far as I know, Les Favell was born in NSW, Ashley Mallett was born in WA, Rodney Hogg was born in Victoria. Could be wrong though.
You could add Trevor Chappell and Jeff Hammond to the list.

Yes on all three, though Mallett is also NSW.

 

[The_Reaper]

Might be a case to split NSW into pre War and post war sides. Could well still be the two strongest teams

1. Sidney Barnes
2. Warren Bardsley
3. Don Bradman*
4. Stan McCabe
5. Victor Trumper
6. Charlie Macartney
7. Monty Noble
8. Bert Oldfield+
9. Charlie Turner
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Fred Spofforth

1. Bob Simpson
2. Arthur Morris
3. Allan Border
4. Steve Waugh
5. Michael Clarke
6. Adam Gilchrist+
7. Richie Benaud
8. Alan Davidson
9. Ray Lindwall
10. Jeff Thomson
11. Glenn McGrath

 

[Freo Big Fella]

It's mainly just something invented in the minds of insecure Victorians that think that every mediocre cricketer that's pulled on a Bushranger shirt gets robbed at the national selection table..

This pretty much sums it up. Apart from Warne (who in fairness counts for plenty), they've specialised in producing guys who are good, but not good enough to replace the guys already in the national side.

 

[Borisdog]

Simple matter of population IMO, it would be interesting to see the representation over the past 50 years per unit population.

The Yanks keep winning ( proper ) wars because there's plenty of them, not because they're better.

 

[Wallaby]

NSW has the strongest cricketing infrastructure - their country cricket is huge. Here in Victoria, the main club in the country towns is the football - the cricket is a poor second cousin and is usually just a tenant of the footy club and it's facilities. All the good kids learn the Footy is the main game.
In a lot of NSW towns, the cricket is bigger or at least equal with the Rugby League side in importance to the community.

And I will just pick up on Courtjester on claiming Billy Murdoch (Australia's best batsman and Captain of the 19th century) as a Pale-blue. Bendigo boy.

I will also add that the first ever Australian Team (the 1868 Aboriginal team) were all Victorians, except for skipper Charles Lawrence (ex-Pom).

 

[eth-dog]

NSW produce better cricketers. I hate NSW, don't get me wrong, but it's true.

 

[Super Hans]

Yeah. Because Clarke, Warner and Smith only get selected because of their state, has nothing to do with them being the best batsman in the country.

 

[Damon_3388]

Exactly which NSW players from the last 20 years haven't deserved a spot, and who should have been picked instead?

Inb4 Brad Hodge and Cameron White

During Andrew Hilditch's tenure (regular selector 1996-2006, Chairman of Selectors 2006-present), when most people consider NSW bias to have been at it's strongest, aside from Smith and Hughes' re-selections in 2011 (when neither was in form with the bat), and maybe Phil Emery, Simon Cook, Gavin Robertson and Beau Casson (none of whom lasted very long anyway, and were really just injury fill-ins), and a young Michael Clarke and Pat Cummins (picked on potential rather than actual output), I can't think of any other undeserving NSW selections. It's hardly a strong, regular pattern. All other NSW players to don their first Baggy Green merited selection at the time. In fact, from even 1994 onwards (to make it "the past 20 years), there hasn't really been that many NSW players debut in the Test team. Certainly no more than other states:

Michael Bevan
Phil Emery
Simon Cook
Stuart MacGill
Gavin Robertson
Brett Lee
Nathan Bracken
Michael Clarke
Phil Jaques
Stuart Clark
Brad Haddin
Beau Casson
Doug Bollinger
Phillip Hughes
Steven Smith
Usman Khawaja
Trent Copeland
Pat Cummins
Mitchell Starc
Moises Henriques

If anything, a few of those NSW blokes (MacGill, Jaques, Clark, Casson, Copeland) were dealt with quite harshly, and/or discarded quite quickly.

 

[The_Reaper]

During Andrew Hilditch's tenure (regular selector 1996-2006, Chairman of Selectors 2006-present), when most people consider NSW bias to have been at it's strongest, aside from Smith and Hughes' re-selections in 2011 (when neither was in form with the bat), and maybe Phil Emery, Simon Cook, Gavin Robertson and Beau Casson (none of whom lasted very long anyway, and were really just injury fill-ins), and a young Michael Clarke and Pat Cummins (picked on potential rather than actual output), I can't think of any other undeserving NSW selections. It's hardly a strong, regular pattern. All other NSW players to don their first Baggy Green merited selection at the time. In fact, from even 1994 onwards (to make it "the past 20 years), there hasn't really been that many NSW players debut in the Test team. Certainly no more than other states:

Michael Bevan
Phil Emery
Simon Cook
Stuart MacGill
Gavin Robertson
Brett Lee
Nathan Bracken
Michael Clarke
Phil Jaques
Stuart Clark
Brad Haddin
Beau Casson
Doug Bollinger
Phillip Hughes
Steven Smith
Usman Khawaja
Trent Copeland
Pat Cummins
Mitchell Starc
Moises Henriques

If anything, a few of those NSW blokes (MacGill, Jaques, Clark, Casson, Copeland) were dealt with quite harshly, and/or discarded quite quickly.

MacGill is Western Australian.

 

[gbatman]

The Bias seems to be long gone, the new selectors are an improvement.

NSW is the most populated state and doesn't have a strong Aussie rules participation rate, pretty sure that there'd be plenty of potential top cricketers running around in the AFL as the two talent's do appear to be linked in many cases. NSW should supply the most cricketing talent going on this.

 

[Damon_3388]

MacGill is Western Australian.

He was playing for NSW when first selected for Australia, was he not?

 

[Chaisa]

NSW bias is basically an excuse for Victorians to have a bitch as to why campaigners like Hodge weren't given a fair crack of the whip.

The "bias" is inherent rather than actual. We just have more population than other teams and league is less dominant up here than AFL is down your end.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Posted a link a few years ago about this argument, some guy had done a statistical analysis of it and from memory, proved it to be wrong. Obviously that could change over the years.

Edit:
http://www.mrscienceshow.com/2011/04/are-nsw-players-over-represented-in.html

 

[The 747]

Ah this board, where you arent allowed to make posts commenting on state bias in selection. But you are allowed to post that it doesnt exist. Nice.

 

[Phone]

it's just that the natives get restless when you point out the victorian bias

 

[Dont be a lemon]

It's the biggest state and a sport with even popularity around the country.

I imagine if you looked at the Socceroos it's a similar story.

 

[Kram]

it's just that the natives get restless when you point out the victorian bias

The favouritism thing kind of goes out the window when Bushranger hacks like Quiney, Hastings and McGain have baggygreens..