Only Five Clubs Profit Without Pokies - The Big 5?

[royalsfan]

Has never or will never?

Has never and will never.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Has never and will never.

Bullshit.

If the economy is ever in a hole that they'd help to recover, they'd be in overnight.

People value their jobs and livelihoods more than now some gambling addict is going. It's basic human rationality. Western Australians are humans.

 

[D-N-R]

WA has never had pokies, regardless of the state of the economy.

There is a casino full of them.

 

[D-N-R]

Bullshit.

If the economy is ever in a hole that they'd help to recover, they'd be in overnight.

People value their jobs and livelihoods more than now some gambling addict is going. It's basic human rationality. Western Australians are humans.

So installing thousands of pokies to suck money out of addicted gamblers pockets is being human? Jesus wept.

 

[royalsfan]

There is a casino full of them.

Yes, and the casino is the only place they will ever be allowed.

 

[fishardansin]

Put a 75 cents tax on pokie profits, 25 cents of which should go to combating gambling addiction

And only allow them to be in schools and hospitals!!

 

[D-N-R]

The difference between alcohol and pokies (as I see it) is that with alcohol, you at least get something for it. You buy a beer, you give someone your money, you get a beer to drink. With pokies, the 'thrill' is completely random and, statistically, unlikely.

Imagine going to a bar, ordering a beer and getting an empty glass. "Better luck next time." Spend 50 or 100 bucks and walk out sober. No thanks.

I would bet the amount of people who consume alcohol and have a problem with it is far lower than people who gamble on pokies and have a problem with it.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Actually, the article says "non-football revenue minus pokies", yet includes norths 500k as non footy related, but imcludes hawthorns as footy related


Therefore it's not exactly accurate


In reality, if the clubs didn't have ex pokies, someone else would
And if pokies were gotten rid of, these people don't instantly become better off


Look overseas
England has the most profitable sports betting companies in the world

In the USA, Indian casinos are more profitable then any gaming venue here, despite being located miles from anything

People will do anything for a fix
We need to look at better educating people (people still believe that machines "have to pay" and act as though they're the only ones putting money in

Victoria has the best set up, where there is a limit on venues, and machines in any region
Taxation is at 60% of all takings of which that money is then redistributed into government projects, keeping costs down for rate payers

Victoria has the best set up? Yes, much better than WA where they aren't allowed anywhere but at the casino

 

[KGBeast]

You can't legislate common sense. Take away the pokies and the addicts will find another way to blow their money. We are talking about grown adults after all.

 

[D-N-R]

Yes, and the casino is the only place they will ever be allowed.

Quite, but there are pokies in WA. This idea that they don't exist is nonsense.

 

[The Speaker]

Bullshit.

If the economy is ever in a hole that they'd help to recover, they'd be in overnight.

People value their jobs and livelihoods more than now some gambling addict is going. It's basic human rationality. Western Australians are humans.

I'd say we know better than you do the likelihood of poker machines entering the landscape.

Quite, but there are pokies in WA. This idea that they don't exist is nonsense.

You know what I meant.

 

[DrEvil]

It's extremely unfortunate that those five clubs that are viable without pokies still chose to increase the number of poker machines they own.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ker-machine-cash/story-fni5f22o-1226788374023

Carlton, Collingwood and Richmond have added more machines to clubs in Bulleen, Ringwood, Caroline Springs and Wantirna since Demetriou's statement.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Good on WA for not having them, however that is one rich economy at the moment, maybe one day if things aren't quite as rosy then things would be looked at. Morality isn't a base human need, and it always comes after those basic requirements, not before. Morality is usually a luxury, basically, if you're running an economy. There's trade offs.

Hasn't always been the case and we have never allowed pokies

 

[The Speaker]

It's extremely unfortunate that those five clubs that are viable without pokies still chose to increase the number of poker machines they own.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ker-machine-cash/story-fni5f22o-1226788374023

I presume you meant those two clubs with poker machines that made a profit. Seeing as the other three didn't increase their pokies from zero.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

It's extremely unfortunate that those five clubs that are viable without pokies still chose to increase the number of poker machines they own.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ker-machine-cash/story-fni5f22o-1226788374023

2 of the five actually. West Coast, Freo and North do not own pokies

 

[DrEvil]

2 of the five actually. West Coast, Freo and North do not own pokies

Yes, Collingwood and Richmond only.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Yes, and the casino is the only place they will ever be allowed.

Should they ban the free bus.

 

[Boppo]

And you're pulling the "greater good" argument.

You can argue whether pokies should be a feature of the landscape in Victoria at all (and I certainly don't frequent them) but if its legal (like alcohol) but has no useful purpose (like alcohol) but can be used safely (like alcohol) then what is the problem? This idea that football clubs need to be purer than other business is very cute, but nonsense.

Pokies are problems through. The consistently and without mercy ruin peoples lives to varying degrees by making them dumber, compliant and poorer. The comparison to alcohol works on some level but not enough to the sweeping generalisation above. Pressing buttons like chimps on heroin for a good part of your life while your wallets are drained..it's so sad. And it's everywhere here.

 

[dthom]

The very fact that pokies are considered to be guaranteed sources of profit shows how evil they are. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how they are legally able to exist.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Ahhh

Health (mental and physical)
Disease and illness
Death
Violence
Domestic abuse
Marketing direct to children

Yeah, I am. In terms of measuring "evils", there's really no contest in any measurable sense.

All of the above can be attributed to pokie addiction

 

[tazaa]

And you would have been told numerous times the decision not to have pokies was not a moral one by North. So when you say North "does the right thing" you need to acknowledge you had them and mismanaged them. It wasn't a conscious decision to get rid of. This morality didn't stop you operating Roobet either.

So in the 4-5 years since we didnt alow Peter Da Rauchs ticket to come in on our board, take on some debt to buy the Cross Keys Hotel so as to generate pokie revenue, ditched Roobet and brought World Vision on as a sponsor for having no gambling related association were we being moral?
Whilst my club wanted to have a social club of sorts and settled on the captains bar at our home ground it was barely open nor accessible outside match day and only contributed $150,000 if that much of revenue.
It was a no brainer to get rid of it. It was a brainer not to take on another venue. Thats where we should be commended.
As far as I know no relationships or houses have been lost due to my club operating a pokie venue. Thats what matters.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

I don't get the uproar. The Clubs are a business and as such, look at revenue streams to ultimately build themselves up to a point where they can survive and, hopefully, win a flag. Hawthorn make money form Pokies, and we budget for that income. If it were to be taken away, we simply reduce the amount we spend, or find another revenue stream.
I'm sure if clubs could find a way to maintain their existing spending and do it in a morally acceptable way, then I'm sure they would. But ultimately you have a market there and they look to get their share out of it.

End of the day, the AFL is sponsored by betting companies, alcohol companies and fast food companies, as this is the case, why should clubs be any different??

The way I see it, if people are stupid enough to put all their money into Pokies, then it's their own stupid fault. Sick of society trying to protect people who clearly don't wish to be protected.

Oh if only it was that simple. There are a lot more factors at play than IQ (which is no measure at all for vulnerability to pokie addiction).

 

[Furn2]

So are we saying all revenue brought in by AFL clubs must be 100% morally irreproachable ?

Or just picking on pokies ?

 

[Tbone McGraw]

The very fact that pokies are considered to be guaranteed sources of profit shows how evil they are. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how they are legally able to exist.

One reason. GAMBLING TAX equals GOVT INCOME.

Governments will never ban any gambling while earning income. Exactly like alcohol and cigarettes.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

The difference between alcohol and pokies (as I see it) is that with alcohol, you at least get something for it. You buy a beer, you give someone your money, you get a beer to drink. With pokies, the 'thrill' is completely random and, statistically, unlikely.

Imagine going to a bar, ordering a beer and getting an empty glass. "Better luck next time." Spend 50 or 100 bucks and walk out sober. No thanks.

I would bet the amount of people who consume alcohol and have a problem with it is far lower than people who gamble on pokies and have a problem with it.

You would be incorrect
Dependency is a problem, even if it is unknown to the consumer
Ever heard the saying "I need a drink"
That's dependency my friend!

Victoria has the best set up? Yes, much better than WA where they aren't allowed anywhere but at the casino

And what is there for people in wa?
I mean in terms of employment
Economically, it isn't this devil that people make it out t be, where only the venue profits
Also, gambling problems are often the result of larger issues. I work in the industry, and the amount of people that come in because they are lonely is astonishing
I would not like to see the rate of suicide in the older population without them. For many seniors, it is their only interaction

In my time in the industry, I've only actually encountered one person with a stereotypical addiction, where they pump the machine waiting for the next big pay