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Gus Poyet

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Peter Swales was a local, and a fan. Franny Lee was local-ish, an ex player and still a fan today. John Wardle was a local and a fan.

Nah, I'll stick with what they do, not where they're born.

Of course you will. You only started competing with the elite clubs when you were able to start outbidding every other team in the nation.
 
Of course you will. You only started competing with the elite clubs when you were able to start outbidding every other team in the nation.
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Club is in a far better state now than it was six years ago. Thats the only thing I rate owners on, certainly not their passports.
 

Gus Poyet

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The snide holier-than-thou bs aside

Our club was literally a bee's dick from administration and was nearly bled dry by some owners at the time, not comparing but I know I know you're gonna say good riddance we've been through worse or something so that justifies you acting like a gigantic butthole but do go on

Ask Birmingham or Wigan fans whether they'd rather just surviving than watch their team won the trophies that they won the last few years, you'll get only one answer and it ain't your version. If you have a choice to pick between that or just, ya know, surviving, and you choose the latter, then really you must hate Christmas as well

Administration is nothing like disappearing forever.

Look at those dogs Palace. They've treated administration like a way to clear their debts and rip off their creditors twice.

I said be secure, not survive, can't read? I'd rather have a safe secure club than be a Leeds like basket case.
 

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Btw, foreigners or their "playthings" have nothing to do with the way a club's run, we had English owners with Underwood decades ago, they pumped out the cash that you hate so much, it ain't foreigners, it's reality. Money talks. Man Utd became a PLC and floated their stocks on the market back in 1990 and they made tons from that and it's set their club up ever since. They didn't have foreign owners at the time. It was the smart thing to do and it made them loads of cash

The whole "foreign owners" thing just makes you look really reeeeeally xenophobic at best and racist at worst. You should stop yelling at every random thing, come down to the real world and learn how capitalism works

I wouldn't say it's out of order to suggest you'd rather have your club run by a local businessman than say a foreign consortium. Labelling such thoughts as racist or xenophobic isn't really helpful
 

Gus Poyet

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Club is in a far better state now than it was six years ago. Thats the only thing I rate owners on, certainly not their passports.

Well * really? One would hope with all those billions you would be...
 
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Administration is nothing like disappearing forever.

Look at those dogs Palace. They've treated administration like a way to clear their debts and rip off their creditors twice.

I said be secure, not survive, can't read? I'd rather have a safe secure club than be a Leeds like basket case.

And in comes the predictable response...

Staying up helps you be financially secure and therefore survive, I'm sorry if normal flow of logic doesn't get through to ya but we know that already

Just stop being xenophobic/racist about foreign owners, coz it's just patently not true. The way a football club is run has nothing to do with their nationality or their allegiances
 
Administration is nothing like disappearing forever.

Look at those dogs Palace. They've treated administration like a way to clear their debts and rip off their creditors twice.

I said be secure, not survive, can't read? I'd rather have a safe secure club than be a Leeds like basket case.

Amusingly enough, on both occasions they went into administration they were owned by local businessmen who were fans of the club.
 

Gus Poyet

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I wouldn't say it's out of order to suggest you'd rather have your club run by a local businessman than say a foreign consortium. Labelling such thoughts as racist or xenophobic isn't really helpful

The fact that one would have to be English to make it xenophobic escapes him.

The fact that white caucasians are many of the foreign owners escapes him.
 

Gus Poyet

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Amusingly enough, on both occasions they went into administration they were owned by local businessmen who were fans of the club.

Yup.

And they went broke spending too much trying to be relevant. Trying to compete and remain relevant with foreigners with deeper pockets than any local owners can match.
 
Yup.

And they went broke spending too much trying to be relevant. Trying to compete and remain relevant with foreginers with deeper pockets than any local owners can match.

Not great businessmen if that's the case. Perhaps a foreigner with less emotional ties to the club might take a more sensible approach to it's future.
 
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I wouldn't say it's out of order to suggest you'd rather have your club run by a local businessman than say a foreign consortium. Labelling such thoughts as racist or xenophobic isn't really helpful

Except that's not what he suggested:

It's more the massive amounts of play money the foreigners have brought into the EPL that has created a system where now clubs are siply pried out of the market to be competitive. It's also seen more greed than ever creep into the league.

It's them foreigners, bringing money to the game, not because club owners even back in the 80s (whom btw were very British as I recall) just wanted to make more money from TV rights sponsorship and revenue, which was why the EPL was formed in the first place. It had nothing to do with foreigners, just good ol' fashion natural progression, it happens with every sport

To specifically say the foreigners is a big cause of all this and they generally make bad owners because they're "foreign" and not local and not supporting the club, is just idiocy. How do you go about explaining something so ridiculous other than there must be some deeper lying prejudice going on? Ain't playing the race card, just good ol' fashion logic
 

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Moomba doesn't have any scruples about money/owners etc as long as it benefits Man City the most. He had made this abundantly clear in the FFP thread
 
Moomba doesn't have any scruples about money/owners etc as long as it benefits Man City the most. He had made this abundantly clear in the FFP thread

Had I? Perhaps you're only capable of reading what you want to see, not what is actually written.
 

Gus Poyet

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Moomba doesn't have any scruples about money/owners etc as long as it benefits Man City the most. He had made this abundantly clear in the FFP thread

Absolutely. Mercenary of the highest order.
 
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Everyone gets sucked in by Gus Poyet, the biggest serious troll in this forum. How sad. Is WealstoneRaider an alternate account?

Anyway enough with this, been a stupid thing to say to start with, to think that foreign owners are the cause of all evil, can't believe we'd even dignify that gibberish with responses
 
Absolutely. Mercenary of the highest order.

Mercernary? I need to ask for a payrise, I've been getting this mercenary business all wrong for the past decade and a bit.
 
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The fact that one would have to be English to make it xenophobic escapes him.

The fact that white caucasians are many of the foreign owners escapes him.

xenophobia
zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
  1. dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
    "racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe"
    synonyms: racism, racialism, racial hatred, ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity; More

A dictionary escapes you
 

Gus Poyet

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It's them foreigners, bringing money to the game, not because club owners even back in the 80s (whom btw were very British as I recall) just wanted to make more money from TV rights sponsorship and revenue, which was why the EPL was formed in the first place. It had nothing to do with foreigners, just good ol' fashion natural progression, it happens with every sport

To specifically say the foreigners is a big cause of all this and they generally make bad owners because they're "foreign" and not local and not supporting the club, is just idiocy. How do you go about explaining something so ridiculous other than there must be some deeper lying prejudice going on? Ain't playing the race card, just good ol' fashion logic

Logic says that greed runs the EPL. It's why it was formed. And it was only 5-6 greedy clubs who pushed for its formation. Those which benefit most from it. Funnily enough the same clubs who benefit from it now. Man City aside, they bought their way into that group.

To become part the same s**t stain clubs that held the lower leagues to ransom to ensure they got to butt rape those clubs over the Elite Player Performance Plan.

The top 4-5 clubs are so financially powerful now more than ever they get to run roughshod over the rest of the nations leagues and teams.
 
Logic says that greed runs the EPL. It's why it was formed. And it was only 5-6 greedy clubs who pushed for its formation. Those which benefit most from it. Funnily enough the same clubs who benefit from it now. Man City aside, they bought their way into that group.

All of whom were owned by Englishmen at the time.
 
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