1. See 8 of the best Greyhounds in the country race for glory in the 2014 Sky Racing TOP GUN. Hit The Meadows to see all the action on Saturday Night October 25.

Pick 30 - Mason Shaw

Discussion in 'Port Adelaide - Est. 1870' started by Macca19, Nov 22, 2012.

Put it out there
  1. Wargreymon90

    Wargreymon90 All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Oct 10
    Posts:
    2,964
    Location:
    Adelaide
    That's fine. But would you rather a second ruck to shaw?

    (Log in to remove this ad.)

  2. Honeyboy Wilson

    Honeyboy Wilson Club Legend

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Bawston
    Joined:
    Nov 08
    Posts:
    5,892
    Location:
    Adelaide
    Westhoff is what makes our forward structure tricky. I wouldn't mind if we played Schulz/Butch/Shaw in the forward line, even with two rucks. But Westhoff is that spanner in the works... is he now a utility and we could play him in a link up role?
  3. Schulzenfest

    Schulzenfest May as well be Chief

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Feb 08
    Posts:
    44,661
    Location:
    SA
    I want to see Westhoff and Monfries floating around the half forward line and delivering to Schulz (eventually Shaw when Schulz retires, probably after jumping in front of a truck because he saw a football on the road) and Butcher, with a crumber at their feet. The crumber is the question. Gray and Wingard can do it, but it's a waste of their talent. Hitchcock has the smarts, but we all know about his faults. Neade is the great unknown.
    noot likes this.
  4. Wargreymon90

    Wargreymon90 All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Oct 10
    Posts:
    2,964
    Location:
    Adelaide
    Westhoff in form is a match winner. Hope hinkley gives him a spark.
  5. crazy_big_al

    crazy_big_al All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    NUFC, Green Bay
    Joined:
    Oct 03
    Posts:
    7,082
    Location:
    Drowning my sorrows on the end of some bar
    Sounds like you friended every port supporter on FB I got one too.
  6. Kickpuncher

    Kickpuncher #16

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Cavs, New York Jets, Manchester Utd
    Joined:
    Feb 07
    Posts:
    7,050
    Location:
    Souf Straya
    If by spark you mean 15 double whoppers from hungry jacks Im all for it.
    RangaInTeal likes this.
  7. Wargreymon90

    Wargreymon90 All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Oct 10
    Posts:
    2,964
    Location:
    Adelaide
    You wanna make him fat? Yeah nah

    His build will be fine for a half forward or winger. Needs to get his work rate up
  8. FishingRick04

    FishingRick04 Moderator

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Sep 07
    Posts:
    13,489
    Location:
    Adelaide
    Hence when I pick on Westhoff he throws our tall to small balance out IMO. He lacks the impact to be a proper forward and doesn't do enough elsewhere. others like him fair enough, I would have tried to have trade him for a pick in the late teens or 20's similar to the Collingwood spud :)
  9. The Smaller Warrior

    The Smaller Warrior Bigger than Jesus #magic

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Chelsea FC, Port Adelaide Magpies
    Joined:
    Mar 07
    Posts:
    10,053
    Location:
    Adelaide, Glenelg
  10. Chopperdave

    Chopperdave All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Tottenham Hotspurs, Atlanta Falcons
    Joined:
    Aug 08
    Posts:
    1,346
    Location:
    Melbourne
    I guess it becomes do we turn Shaw into a very good fwd and a handy ruckman or do we try and make Lobbe/Redden/Renouf into very good ruckmen and handy fwds...

    As for Westhoff I think he just needs a position. He was playing 3-4 positions a game at times last year. Unless your Chad Circa 2004-8 no one can do that successfully.

    Edit: Also as someone made a mention to earlier compare Westhoff to Dawes... If Westhoff was a gorilla looking person like Dawes would we be treating him differently even though in terms of contested marking Westhoff is as good if not better. And his agility and skills are far better... However would a club want to offer pick 20 for him?
    gopower likes this.
  11. *PAF

    *PAF Premium Platinum

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Feb 05
    Posts:
    16,571
    Location:
    Top End
    I would prefer Neade at the Magpies.
    If he goes to North Adelaide or Souths :mad:

    (Log in to remove this ad.)

  12. Schulzenfest

    Schulzenfest May as well be Chief

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Feb 08
    Posts:
    44,661
    Location:
    SA
    Insult to Westhoff. Westhoff kicked 28 goals in 22 games playing just about every position on the park for a bottom 5 team, Dawes kicked 20 goals in 23 games playing as a key forward and very occasional ruckman for a top 4 team. Anybody who rates Dawes as equal or better to Westhoff needs to watch Moneyball and start rating players on what they actually do rather than what they look like they should be able to do.
  13. Andre

    Andre Club Legend

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Sep 02
    Posts:
    11,069
    Location:
    Adelaide
    Every 5th week says hi.
    Chrizzt, Jonts and Chadwick Cornes like this.
  14. Chopperdave

    Chopperdave All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Tottenham Hotspurs, Atlanta Falcons
    Joined:
    Aug 08
    Posts:
    1,346
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Thats pretty much my point... Melbourne would never have offered pick 20 for Westhoff... However if he looked like Dawes people might think differently. Just because he has shaggy hair and looks laconic on the field I think undermines what we think of his actual output. I kinda think of him as an AFL version of Berbatov...
    Teal Plums and gopower like this.
  15. WHOME

    WHOME Club Legend

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Boston Celtics
    Joined:
    May 07
    Posts:
    1,011
    Location:
    South Australia
  16. rumoursofwinter

    rumoursofwinter All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Nov 08
    Posts:
    1,070
    Location:
    melbourne
  17. tribey

    tribey No ALF in SANFL

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    NUFC, New England Patriots
    Joined:
    Mar 03
    Posts:
    36,621
    Location:
    Queen St & Peter Rd
    Ya, Westhoff has to be the most unfairly-maligned player in history.

    As a pick 70-odd in the era of uberscientific ins and outs of a bilby's bunghole drafts and recruiting we could've done a shitload worse.
  18. Ebert80

    Ebert80 Team Captain

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Jan 08
    Posts:
    4,847
    Location:
    South Oz
    We did, by drafting his brother.
  19. tribey

    tribey No ALF in SANFL

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    NUFC, New England Patriots
    Joined:
    Mar 03
    Posts:
    36,621
    Location:
    Queen St & Peter Rd
    I'd love to know if Matthew was any other recruiter's big board, let alone tipped to go late second/early third round.

    Reality is there wasn't much left on the board after Matthew (we took Marlon before Levi), but bloody hell.
  20. Ebert80

    Ebert80 Team Captain

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Jan 08
    Posts:
    4,847
    Location:
    South Oz
    I remember one of the Gowans (perhaps both) saying he was more talented than Justin.

    In fairness, as was mentioned it was a very thin draft that year.
  21. Ebert80

    Ebert80 Team Captain

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Jan 08
    Posts:
    4,847
    Location:
    South Oz
    I'm trying to work out who Shaw looks like - apart from the actual Tippett comparison - Mason looks a little like Earl Spalding and Jonathon Ross.
  22. Enviable Tradition

    Enviable Tradition Professional Procrastinator

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Oct 07
    Posts:
    9,610
    Location:
    The Hills
    Mitch Johnson
  23. Ford Fairlane

    Ford Fairlane Moderator

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Port Adelaide Magpies
    Joined:
    Feb 02
    Posts:
    38,297
    Location:
    Port Adelaide 5015
    Matt Rendell expressed surprise when he was inevitably asked what he thought of Port's recruiting by KG and Cornes. :rolleyes:
  24. RangaInTeal

    RangaInTeal All Australian

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Boston Celtics, Man City, NY Jets
    Joined:
    Jan 08
    Posts:
    6,875
    Location:
    Salisbury, Adelaide
    Dawes plays like he is 6'4, Westhoff think he is a 5'8 Half Forward Flanker. Dawes plays with a presance, Westhoff doesn't demand the footy, nor does he have any presance on a game bar the 15 minutes he puts together over 4 quaters. He is 200cm's tall, play like your 200cm's tall not 200cm's short!
  25. YoungsterPA

    YoungsterPA Team Captain

    Port Adelaide
    Other teams:
    Joined:
    Mar 12
    Posts:
    1,025
    Location:
    The garden of dover
    Dawes plays like sh*t, presence or not westhoff is a better player
    *PAF, TheFVK and gopower like this.