News Pies overhaul fitness department.

[Rustin Cohle]

Bring in Dank and the Weapon. They'll sort us out.

 

[frizzle]

Doctors won't fix Clokes and Hawkins kicking accuracy LOL

Speaking of kicking it seems our kicking coach we appointed last year has been given the flick. (Nathan Chapman)

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

Speaking of kicking it seems our kicking coach we appointed last year has been given the flick. (Nathan Chapman)

Well there's a bombshell.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

A significant and vocal portion of the membership (who Eddie represents) have made it very very clear that they don't want their precious membership dollars going to prop up opposition clubs.

So I guess the club has responded by bringing themselves under the tax threshold.

So what is the club to do?

Personally I don't think this is a bad thing and I don't see that it's in conflict with our core objectives at all. Sometimes pruning gives the best results.

Oh Yeah! The taxes. The finger thing means the taxes.

 

[loki04]

Speaking of kicking it seems our kicking coach we appointed last year has been given the flick. (Nathan Chapman)

I hope we are not cutting back in areas of need just to avoid the tax.

Ruck coach and specialized skills coaches should be the last to go if we are penny pinching.
On another note I think the AFL are going too far in their bid for equalization.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What was wrong with the old doctor?

Too many players off the park for too long and then breaking down again upon return? Call me crazy but that might have something to do with it...

 

[NT.Thunder]

Speaking of kicking it seems our kicking coach we appointed last year has been given the flick. (Nathan Chapman)

Hardly surprising - looking at the figures below we shouldn't have paid him for 2014.

*I could only find DE% and not KE% however I imagine it can't be too different.

2013 2014 Variation
Pendlebury
77% 75% -2%
Cloke
64% 62% -2%
Elliot
68% 66% -2%
Goldsack
80% 80% 0%
Swan
63% 63% 0%
White
68% 66% -2%

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

That just about says it all. We wait and see.

I was wondering if we should ditch the strength coach when we were recruiting hobbits.....and to ditch the club doctor when the fox article clearly shows that the Reid family has a history of quad injuries.... the question that I ask myself is "are we considering durability and strength when we recruit players?"...I think about the Sberg and his foot problems when we recruited him. Did we test Freeman for hamstring issues before we took him? It makes me wonder

Freeman hamstrings were likely the result of our flawed conditioning program.
I he had been recruited elsewhere he probably would have had a full season.

 

[Markfs]

Freeman hamstrings were likely the result of our flawed conditioning program.
I he had been recruited elsewhere he probably would have had a full season.

well you might be right...if its a recruiting issue or a fitness one, it doesnt reflect well on the club.

I know we're off season for blaming buckley at the moment but I think we should shoulder the blame on him for everything. It's just so reassuring...

 

[Lefthanded]

I hope we are not cutting back in areas of need just to avoid the tax.

Ruck coach and specialized skills coaches should be the last to go if we are penny pinching.
On another note I think the AFL are going too far in their bid for equalization.

I hope we are not cutting back but making sure we have wiser use of funds. If other clubs (Hawks & Port) can have better results with less than why not us?

 

[mattys123]

"Cutting back" on Chapman, please, he was a hack, a Punting coach who was never a good footballer, whose methods clearly had the opposite effect on our playing group then was intended.

In just about every area last year our kicking accuracy and efficiency went backwards, promoting Anthony Rocca from within the club would make more sense then continuing on with Chapman.

 

[shizzle]

I'm sure Bucks could do more for their kicking than that Chapman bloke, but I do hope they employ a new ruck coach, with 3 young rucks(cox included) it's essential IMO.

 

[frizzle]

I'm sure Bucks could do more for their kicking than that Chapman bloke, but I do hope they employ a new ruck coach, with 3 young rucks(cox included) it's essential IMO.

Absolutely agree. A ruck coach is a must right now. Don't cut costs on this pies.

 

[Markfs]

"Cutting back" on Chapman, please, he was a hack, a Punting coach who was never a good footballer, whose methods clearly had the opposite effect on our playing group then was intended.

In just about every area last year our kicking accuracy and efficiency went backwards, promoting Anthony Rocca from within the club would make more sense then continuing on with Chapman.

I dont think it's rocket science. I dont think appointing 300 specialist coaches is going to override the simple fact that the player has to practice kicking...... practice means repetitive implementation of the theory....not watching videos or discussing it in a team meeting, or going on a tv football program and say that they practice kicking for an hour every week. The other fact is that rookie draft picks and 5th round draft picks are usually bad at disposal, which is why they are there in the first place. And we've relied a lot of these type of player. Jonathon Marsh is tall, fast and a bad kick of the ball. It was one of the reasons why he was overlooked in the draft by other clubs....me thinks...sometimes you can lead a player to water but they just havent the skills to drink it. I'm not sure if its the right strategy to pick bad kicks and then try to coach them into being good kicks

 

[Apex36]

I'm not saying his feet arent fixable. I'm saying that we recruited a player with a problem. I realise that teams have gained by taking these risks - judd, selwood...but I start to wonder when we recruit ben reid who has quad injuries which are apparently a family problem. I wonder if Hine likes to take risks with these things. Durability is an important thing these days. It was just a thought. As you said, the ACLs cant be anticipated.

Although Reid has had a few quad complaints, they have never been long term injuries.
This season the bulk of the time he was kept out by a calf injury. Then a quad for a few weeks... Then a hamstring....

When you have a player getting injured in different areas resulting in a lost season, the question marks should be over the club physio's more than anything. They're the ones that are ultimately responsible for instructing the players on the correct ways to stretch/warm up to avoid injury, and are responsible for overseeing player rehab.

I'd love the physiotherapy contracts to go up for review.
(Disclaimer: I may be biased about this because my mate is a physio who ultimately wants to become the head physio for the pies )

 

[Markfs]

Although Reid has had a few quad complaints, they have never been long term injuries.
This season the bulk of the time he was kept out by a calf injury. Then a quad for a few weeks... Then a hamstring....

When you have a player getting injured in different areas resulting in a lost season, the question marks should be over the club physio's more than anything. They're the ones that are ultimately responsible for instructing the players on the correct ways to stretch/warm up to avoid injury, and are responsible for overseeing player rehab.

I'd love the physiotherapy contracts to go up for review.
(Disclaimer: I may be biased about this because my mate is a physio who ultimately wants to become the head physio for the pies )

its a good point and probably does indicate the fitness people at fault. maybe nathan brown is a better example of a player who appears to get injured easily.

 

[loki04]

I was referring to the role not the person filling it.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I'm not a fitness guru, but making these changes now, would we expect to see results this season or would it be long term initiative where maybe 2-3 years down the track full benefits are seen

 

[loki04]

I was referring to the role not the person filling it.

"Cutting back" on Chapman, please, he was a hack, a Punting coach who was never a good footballer, whose methods clearly had the opposite effect on our playing group then was intended.

In just about every area last year our kicking accuracy and efficiency went backwards, promoting Anthony Rocca from within the club would make more sense then continuing on with Chapman.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I saw an ad tonight here in sydney. It was about the nsw waratahs, a super 15 rugby team.

It said along the lines of "we used to think injuries were accidents. Now we know they aren't. We do 140 points on every player every day"

The waratahs had next to no injuries this year.

I may have the above quotes wrong but it it is all about the message.

 

[shizzle]

I saw an ad tonight here in sydney. It was about the nsw waratahs, a super 15 rugby team.

It said along the lines of "we used to think injuries were accidents. Now we know they aren't. We do 140 points on every player every day"

The waratahs had next to no injuries this year.

I may have the above quotes wrong but it it is all about the message.

Yep, similarly in the NBA, Phoenix Suns record or lack of injuries is legendary. I wish we could send a rep from our club over to gain some insight, as I doubt we'd have the cash to poach one of theirs... http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/04/05/secret-behind-phoenix-suns-elite-training-staff/

 

[PTpie]

I'm not a fitness guru, but making these changes now, would we expect to see results this season or would it be long term initiative where maybe 2-3 years down the track full benefits are seen

Young players take time but established players should be showing results after a preseason as they are already fit. It also depends on what changes they are making. If they are pushing to increase endurance as opposed to burst (which is what the club is saying) then they may take 2-3 years to see results. Same with strength over agility, it changes body shape, mass, pretty much everything, so you have to go back to the beginning and start again.

But, all that being said, these guys are professional athletes that train 4 - 6 hours or more every day. Their bodies are their paycheck so they should be able to adjust in the shortest timeframe possible you'd imagine.

 

[Vicky Park]

I know we're off season for blaming buckley at the moment but I think we should shoulder the blame on him for everything. It's just so reassuring...

Yeah, there is a kind of a moratorium on this ATM, but rest assured it wont last long.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I would much rather pay a tax and utilise our resources in the best possible way to win a premiership.

So spending more money always equates to a better run club (or business)? That's not how it works.

 

[SugarCoat]

So spending more money always equates to a better run club (or business)? That's not how it works.

Andrew Newbold made some valid points about cutting staff for the sake of the tax. He was dead against it.