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Preliminary Finals Preview (2014)

Swans vs Kangaroos
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Two teams that are almost identical on the ATTACK axis but very different in terms of DEFENCE. This means that the Roos and Swans tend to kick similar scores, but the Swans hold their opposition to less.

That's on average. In terms of individual results, both teams have been all over the place, creating very long squiggles. In Sydney's case, it's not hard to understand: there's a poor start to the season followed by a form surge, and thereafter they chart in a fairly consistent area. North, though, seem to change from week to week; for example, holding St. Kilda to 3 goals one week then the next allowing through 16 from Carlton.

But North Melbourne's last month or two has been solid - they're on a 6-game winning streak - and, for North, consistent, with big wins over the weaker teams (beating GWS by 75, the Bulldogs by 50, and Melbourne by 30) and small wins over the stronger ones (beating Adelaide by 7, Essendon by 12, and Geelong by 6).

But it will take another level to overcome Sydney. The Swans haven't pulled out a really top performance for a while, but during the home & away season they showed plenty.

Squiggle tip:
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Sydney 92 - 66 North Melbourne
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Top Algorithms: If the game were in Melbourne, it'd be a tough call. But at ANZ Stadium, it's 10 tips for the Swans (by 18-36 pts) and no love for the Roos.

Hawks vs Power

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A playoff between the two most attacking teams in the comp, which should make for a spectacle. Port are in blistering form, mounting a huge resurgence from their late-season slump, while Hawthorn have been unmovable, occupying the same area of the chart since Round 8 - very similar to what they did last year, en route to winning the flag.

Both teams are in prime squiggle territory, which means they're displaying the kind of form that has won the most flags since 1994. In fact, only a handful of teams have finished around here and not won the flag. Unless Port get blown away, and pushed out of the area, there will be one more after Saturday.

Where North and Sydney are similar in terms of ATTACK, the Hawks and the Power have similar DEFENCE scores. This means that they tend to hold their opponents to the same kind of scores, but the Hawks kick more themselves.

By the way! Anyone walking to this game from Flinders St station, if you see a 9-year old busking with the violin, that's my daughter! Stop and say hi to us. :)

Squiggle tip:
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Hawthorn 103 - 84 Port Adelaide
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Top Algorithms: It's unanimous for Hawthorn, by 11-25 points, although Grand Final specialist OFFDEF-75 likes Port (by 12). That algorithm isn't included in the top bunch, though, since it hasn't been great outside of Grand Finals. What it means, though, is that Port can justifiably be considered the form team of the finals right now.
 
Preliminary Finals Preview (2014)

Swans vs Kangaroos
3JtZDlM.png


Two teams that are almost identical on the ATTACK axis but very different in terms of DEFENCE. This means that the Roos and Swans tend to kick similar scores, but the Swans hold their opposition to less.

That's on average. In terms of individual results, both teams have been all over the place, creating very long squiggles. In Sydney's case, it's not hard to understand: there's a poor start to the season followed by a form surge, and thereafter they chart in a fairly consistent area. North, though, seem to change from week to week; for example, holding St. Kilda to 3 goals one week then the next allowing through 16 from Carlton.

But North Melbourne's last month or two has been solid - they're on a 6-game winning streak - and, for North, consistent, with big wins over the weaker teams (beating GWS by 75, the Bulldogs by 50, and Melbourne by 30) and small wins over the stronger ones (beating Adelaide by 7, Essendon by 12, and Geelong by 6).

But it will take another level to overcome Sydney. The Swans haven't pulled out a really top performance for a while, but during the home & away season they showed plenty.

Squiggle tip:
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Sydney 92 - 66 North Melbourne
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Top Algorithms: If the game were in Melbourne, it'd be a tough call. But at ANZ Stadium, it's 10 tips for the Swans (by 18-36 pts) and no love for the Roos.

Hawks vs Power

eN5wlIi.png


A playoff between the two most attacking teams in the comp, which should make for a spectacle. Port are in blistering form, mounting a huge resurgence from their late-season slump, while Hawthorn have been unmovable, occupying the same area of the chart since Round 8 - very similar to what they did last year, en route to winning the flag.

Both teams are in prime squiggle territory, which means they're displaying the kind of form that has won the most flags since 1994. In fact, only a handful of teams have finished around here and not won the flag. Unless Port get blown away, and pushed out of the area, there will be one more after Saturday.

Where North and Sydney are similar in terms of ATTACK, the Hawks and the Power have similar DEFENCE scores. This means that they tend to hold their opponents to the same kind of scores, but the Hawks kick more themselves.

By the way! Anyone walking to this game from Flinders St station, if you see a 9-year old busking with the violin, that's my daughter! Stop and say hi to us. :)

Squiggle tip:
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Hawthorn 103 - 84 Port Adelaide
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Top Algorithms: It's unanimous for Hawthorn, by 11-25 points, although Grand Final specialist OFFDEF-75 likes Port (by 12). That algorithm isn't included in the top bunch, though, since it hasn't been great outside of Grand Finals. What it means, though, is that Port can justifiably be considered the form team of the finals right now.

Out of curiosity what's the OFFDEF-75 like for the North Melbourne v Sydney game? Is there a natural bias for sides that play / have a break during Semi Final weekend?

Since 2000, 3 sides have made the GF having played in all 3 lead up finals.

Of those 3 sides all won the premiership - 2003 (Lions), 2005 (Swans), 2006 (Eagles)

Not sure if that's a quirk or if there is something behind that?
 

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Preliminary Finals Preview (2014)

Swans vs Kangaroos
3JtZDlM.png


Two teams that are almost identical on the ATTACK axis but very different in terms of DEFENCE. This means that the Roos and Swans tend to kick similar scores, but the Swans hold their opposition to less.

That's on average. In terms of individual results, both teams have been all over the place, creating very long squiggles. In Sydney's case, it's not hard to understand: there's a poor start to the season followed by a form surge, and thereafter they chart in a fairly consistent area. North, though, seem to change from week to week; for example, holding St. Kilda to 3 goals one week then the next allowing through 16 from Carlton.

But North Melbourne's last month or two has been solid - they're on a 6-game winning streak - and, for North, consistent, with big wins over the weaker teams (beating GWS by 75, the Bulldogs by 50, and Melbourne by 30) and small wins over the stronger ones (beating Adelaide by 7, Essendon by 12, and Geelong by 6).

But it will take another level to overcome Sydney. The Swans haven't pulled out a really top performance for a while, but during the home & away season they showed plenty.

Squiggle tip:
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Sydney 92 - 66 North Melbourne
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Top Algorithms: If the game were in Melbourne, it'd be a tough call. But at ANZ Stadium, it's 10 tips for the Swans (by 18-36 pts) and no love for the Roos.

Hawks vs Power

eN5wlIi.png


A playoff between the two most attacking teams in the comp, which should make for a spectacle. Port are in blistering form, mounting a huge resurgence from their late-season slump, while Hawthorn have been unmovable, occupying the same area of the chart since Round 8 - very similar to what they did last year, en route to winning the flag.

Both teams are in prime squiggle territory, which means they're displaying the kind of form that has won the most flags since 1994. In fact, only a handful of teams have finished around here and not won the flag. Unless Port get blown away, and pushed out of the area, there will be one more after Saturday.

Where North and Sydney are similar in terms of ATTACK, the Hawks and the Power have similar DEFENCE scores. This means that they tend to hold their opponents to the same kind of scores, but the Hawks kick more themselves.

By the way! Anyone walking to this game from Flinders St station, if you see a 9-year old busking with the violin, that's my daughter! Stop and say hi to us. :)

Squiggle tip:
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Hawthorn 103 - 84 Port Adelaide
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Top Algorithms: It's unanimous for Hawthorn, by 11-25 points, although Grand Final specialist OFFDEF-75 likes Port (by 12). That algorithm isn't included in the top bunch, though, since it hasn't been great outside of Grand Finals. What it means, though, is that Port can justifiably be considered the form team of the finals right now.

Sorry TripleC, but you have enterd into the twighlight zone that Roby inhabits with your Swans/North prediction.

However, I am confident that you will resume normal transmission next Monday.
 
Out of curiosity what's the OFFDEF-75 like for the North Melbourne v Sydney game? Is there a natural bias for sides that play / have a break during Semi Final weekend?

Since 2000, 3 sides have made the GF having played in all 3 lead up finals.

Of those 3 sides all won the premiership - 2003 (Lions), 2005 (Swans), 2006 (Eagles)

Not sure if that's a quirk or if there is something behind that?
North vs Sydney: Sydney are way in front, since North's finals wins have been close.

There's no bias against teams having a Week 2 Finals break, no. I was thinking maybe teams that play 3 finals leading up to the GF must deliver at least one upset, and that's what OFFDEF-75 is rewarding, but that doesn't seem to be the case either. In 2005, for example, Sydney were ahead of West Coast according to OFFDEF-75 the whole time; neither team did anything really spectacular in finals and so the Swans remained GF favourites.

In 2006, West Coast do jump ahead after a 113-39 thumping of the Bulldogs in a semi-final.

2003 is a year OFFDEF-75 got it wrong... Brisbane had a big prelim win (100-56 over Sydney) but so did the Pies (112-68 over Port), and the algorithm incorrectly decided Collingwood should remain its GF tip.
 
The Swan's season describes an elegant arc up and to the right - like a Swan's neck. The Roos, on the other hand, have been bouncing up and down like a....(must think of an animal that bounces up and down).
An animal that bounces up and down? I think you're looking for 'wallaby'.
 
Hawks 2014 look like finishing relative to 2013 what Brisbane 2002 finished to 2001.
 
Here's a weird question Final Siren.

What are the likelihoods of an upset in the season/finals if the streams have or have not crossed?
 
I did pitch it to Robbo but he said the squiggles were too hard to see. Of course, he was drunk at the time. Of course, he's always drunk.
I reckon it could work IF you just did the two competing teams for each game, as you have here for the finals. Clear and simple.
 
North vs Sydney: Sydney are way in front, since North's finals wins have been close.

There's no bias against teams having a Week 2 Finals break, no. I was thinking maybe teams that play 3 finals leading up to the GF must deliver at least one upset, and that's what OFFDEF-75 is rewarding, but that doesn't seem to be the case either. In 2005, for example, Sydney were ahead of West Coast according to OFFDEF-75 the whole time; neither team did anything really spectacular in finals and so the Swans remained GF favourites.

In 2006, West Coast do jump ahead after a 113-39 thumping of the Bulldogs in a semi-final.

2003 is a year OFFDEF-75 got it wrong... Brisbane had a big prelim win (100-56 over Sydney) but so did the Pies (112-68 over Port), and the algorithm incorrectly decided Collingwood should remain its GF tip.
Everyone was tipping Collingwood that day.
 

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Everyone was tipping Collingwood that day.
Not me.

That Collingwood side was a bit like Ross Lyon coached sides. Extremely good coaching hid some dead set ordinary fringe players.

When Brisbane steam rolled Sydney in that last quarter in the prelim, I knew they'd win it.
 
Hawks 2014 look like finishing relative to 2013 what Brisbane 2002 finished to 2001.

Port Adelaide is in a very similar position in 2014 as they were in 2002. That said they were coming from very different directions (tapering off in 2002, coming home with a surge in 2014)

How I'd love for a comfortable 56 point win on Saturday, it wont happen though...
 
I reckon it could work IF you just did the two competing teams for each game, as you have here for the finals. Clear and simple.
yes, perhaps when you click on 'tips' on your home page, you could click each match and it brings up the two squiggles for the game.

p.s. Final siren, I wish I was down in Melbourne, would love to drop a fiver for your busking 9 year old and shoot the breeze on all things statistics!
 
Okay so I'm going to activate my stalker mode right now but is this the same daughter you registered a domain name for way back in, like, 2006? Because I remember reading one of your blog posts back then with something along those lines.
 
Not me.

That Collingwood side was a bit like Ross Lyon coached sides. Extremely good coaching hid some dead set ordinary fringe players.

When Brisbane steam rolled Sydney in that last quarter in the prelim, I knew they'd win it.

Yeah - not sure where that call is from. I'd say by everyone he means Collingwood supporters.
 
Okay so I'm going to activate my stalker mode right now but is this the same daughter you registered a domain name for way back in, like, 2006? Because I remember reading one of your blog posts back then with something along those lines.
His daughter's name is Max Barry? We're through the looking glass.

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Okay so I'm going to activate my stalker mode right now but is this the same daughter you registered a domain name for way back in, like, 2006? Because I remember reading one of your blog posts back then with something along those lines.
That's the one! Every newborn needs their own domain name.
 
i know the squiggle works on attack and defence but is it possible to have a reference point? like a mark that shows roughly a median of what is the winning formula in any given year. I dont know if its possible at all but in seasons gone by mabe kicking 120 while conceding 90 was the comp average and the eventual premier bucked that trend? Currently we say well the 2 sides are similar in attack but one is ahead in defence but what if this year the trend is more towards attack (over the whole comp)
 
I haven't read anyone saying North WILL win. Many saying we're a chance to win, myself included but most admitting Swans going in favs as they should be. Myself included.

I have however read many Swans supporters (see below) stating that the Swans WILL win as if fact. I still refrain from saying that Swans supporters are arrogant tossers because just because a few are.


My tip is Swans by 18 bloody but hell the Kangas are a red hot chance if they turn up. (Apologies to Squiggy who tips the Swans by 26)

Really? i've been called out for declaring my team won't win games. now for declaring they will.
are you saying you've never declared on bigfooty your team would win a game before it was actually played?

I never said you didn't have a shot, I said "it will be be a Tough game, but we will come away with the bickies."
Please forgive me for great crime of believing the team that finished first will beat the team that finished 6th. :rolleyes:
 
If you can't get behind your own team and enjoy it at this time of the year, then you may as well not follow sport.
 
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i know the squiggle works on attack and defence but is it possible to have a reference point? like a mark that shows roughly a median of what is the winning formula in any given year. I dont know if its possible at all but in seasons gone by mabe kicking 120 while conceding 90 was the comp average and the eventual premier bucked that trend? Currently we say well the 2 sides are similar in attack but one is ahead in defence but what if this year the trend is more towards attack (over the whole comp)
If you can follow my scrawl on the squiggle field, it shows the attaching team usually succeeds over the more defensive team in a grand final. Note the arrow from the grand final loser each year to the grand final winner points somewhere between NW and NE. On the odd occasion where the arrow points east to south east, the attacking team probably butchered its scoring opportunities. Geelong in the nineties accounts for a good portion of these

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As far as I can see, the arrows running from the runner up to the winner align mainly pointing NW to SE, as you would expect, with a lot more pointing between NW and NE than between NE and SE

The colours are the decades blue 2005-2014. Red 1995-2004. Green 1983-1994

Note only one in the quadrant facing SW, from SE to NW, the 2008 flag, and in that case Hawthorn were in the premiership zone. Another case where geelong loses a grand final defying the squiggle
 
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