Preview Rd 5: Brisbane v Richmond, @ GABBA, 7.50 PM - Thursday 17/4/2014 - Vickery not on flight

[DrMike]

I should also add we're playing Conca, Grimes, Astbury and Martin who are all pretty much still kids

Griffiths and Astbury have been on the team for a while and are finally proving their worth, but they got their opportunity by performance and through injury

The incumbent will always deserve the opportunity to maintain their position

 

[Rubber Hips]

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As I went out on Sunday, I won't be able to saddle up on Thursday, so you guys will be spared my rants on this board
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[Dusty Cotch]

Titch you are one lucky boy!..You have been playing terrible & soft football for ages..One more game like last week & it could be your last with players like Lloyd coming through. Please can you put your head down & win one hard ball at least tomorrow night!. Dimma has dropped Vickery you in the gun next son!

 

[Groupie_]

What a huge meltdown for team selection. Imagine if we lose......

 

[This Is Anfield]

What position does he play then?

Losing Rance, Lids and Maric (Knights was in the team for 2 minutes and doesn't count) shouldn't be causing us to be one of the bottom 6 teams in the competition. Rance and Lids played round 1 and we still lost to a team who are still a long way off. Petterd did some good things in the game against Carlton and for the first time I praised his efforts but in terms of what he actually does for the overall team the answer is not much. He is slow, has s**t skills and doesn't hold a forward or back position down. He is a utility simply because his position hasn't been invented or is better referred to as the bench!

Ignoring the 13 players I mentioned who have been spasmodic at best!
Petterd is not the root cause of our problems and has performed well this season so far, can take a good grab, is prepared to run hard & put his body on the line, is not super quick but I don't think he's all that slow either.
Least of our problems IMO.

 

[TheProwler]

Serious question. Do we have the player numbers to support that ?

Do we no longer have a development team which the VFL side can draw from?

 

[_RT_]

It happens often , due to injuries, in competitions at least the equal to the VFL . You do realise the slight additional work having one less player has on a squad ? It equates to about 1 minute and 28 seconds on average per quarter .
Save your smutty comments .

Yes but how many players from those sides are being asked 4 days later to step up and play in a competition that is far and away a much bigger step up than the level they are playing.

BTW it doesn't equate to an extra 1 minute 28 seconds. As I said sat there and watched the VFL side do it the first round. Guys were being forced to stay on the ground for 5-7 minutes longer than they normally would because there were too many guys wanting to come off at the same time. Instead of having 90 second breaks on the bench guys were spending 180-240 seconds on the bench trying to recover and then you could only rotate 2 blokes on to bring 2 guys off rather than going 4 on 4 off.

 

[docko911]

We're playing Arnot, Gordon, Lloyd, Ellis and Vlastuin

They're kids

Gordon - 24 not a kid
Lloyd - 22 not a kid - but a nice pick up who got a chance and took it. If he didn't play the way he did against Collingwood he could be in the firing line this week.
Arnot - 3rd year player - only getting a game due to injuries or lack of form of senior players. Deserves to be in the side ahead of Foley and King but if they were in form he would be in the VFL.
Vlastuin and Ellis - number 1 picks who are better than the senior players that would otherwise replace them.

The facts are we haven't brought in many kids to the club because of the coach, and we have overlooked the young players we have. McDonough was really impressive in preseason and how is he rewarded, 1 game dropped then overlooked when he shows forms...

 

[Groupie_]

The Richmond board has bigger meltdowns for team selection than the minnow club boards do when they lose 4 points....

 

[Rubber Hips]

The Richmond board has bigger meltdowns for team selection than the minnow club boards do when they lose 4 points....

Guess posters believe we are at the crossroads ...either put game time into young players to develop them or continue with the combination the coaching panel feels comfortable with....oh oh the power and the passion!

 

[Vikingnz]

The Richmond board has bigger meltdowns for team selection than the minnow club boards do when they lose 4 points....

I think this is a good thing. Shows how passionate people are about our club (even if the players seem to be lacking it).

 

[No_LeFt_FoOt]

Who plays on Luke McGuane. Grimes or Astbury? Golby to Cotchin? Martin to get off the leash and kick 4...
Tigers by 35

 

[_RT_]

I should also add we're playing Conca, Grimes, Astbury and Martin who are all pretty much still kids

Griffiths and Astbury have been on the team for a while and are finally proving their worth, but they got their opportunity by performance and through injury

The incumbent will always deserve the opportunity to maintain their position

15 of 22 players with >100 games, 9 of them with >50.
Gordon Lloyd Cotchin Astbury Martin Grimes Griffiths Conca Ellis Arnot Vlastuin all under 25 in the 22 with McDonough and Lennon it makes 13 of 25 under 25.

To come into the side if they keep playing well/recover from injury/rediscover form: Rance Vickery Dea Batchelor Helbig Elton O'Hanlon McIntosh & McBean.

That's 22 of 44 under 25 that could play a role this year and there are a few others that need to wait their chance like Banfield Miles Darrou & Williams.

There is plenty of youth there, they just need to force their way into the side through performances rather than having a birth certificate dated after 1989.

 

[Vikingnz]

Who plays on Luke McGuane. Grimes or Astbury? Golby to Cotchin? Martin to get off the leash and kick 4...
Tigers by 35

Wouldn't be surprised to see Raines come off the emergencies for Cotchin.

 

[tropicaltiger]

We will either lose this week or put up a pitiful effort... Grigg, Edwards, Newman, Petterd will all be culprits yet will play the following week against Hawthorn. However Arnot or Lloyd or both will get dropped for probably King and Foley. We will lose to Hawthorn by over 60 points and back it up with a loss against Geelong by a bigger margain. Still at no stage will those named blokes be dropped, Hardwick will continue to use the last in first our policy and by round 15 we'll be 3/4-11/10 Hardwick will get sacked but will have wasted most of the season trying to save his career. All our younger blokes will have no confidence and feel deflated, and a few players will want to walk at the end of the year. We'll end up with a new coach in a new rebuild...

3 years down the track we'll play finals, 4 years we'll overload with seniors, 5 years sack coach... Repeat...

fair effort that........ prob best to stop your whining and get on sportsbet with your predictions and load up, you will be rolling in it in no time

 

[TheProwler]

The Richmond board has bigger meltdowns for team selection than the minnow club boards do when they lose 4 points....

Some of us have had enough...........

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Yes but how many players from those sides are being asked 4 days later to step up and play in a competition that is far and away a much bigger step up than the level they are playing.

BTW it doesn't equate to an extra 1 minute 28 seconds. As I said sat there and watched the VFL side do it the first round. Guys were being forced to stay on the ground for 5-7 minutes longer than they normally would because there were too many guys wanting to come off at the same time. Instead of having 90 second breaks on the bench guys were spending 180-240 seconds on the bench trying to recover and then you could only rotate 2 blokes on to bring 2 guys off rather than going 4 on 4 off.

The players who would play 4 days later aren't those who play longer ???
How many 100 - 140 minute quarters have you seen ?
I am not sure how you get 2 rotations every 4 minutes = 1 every 2 minutes meaning 15 for a 30 minute quarter yet losing one player causes every player to stay on the ground 5-7 minutes longer ?

 

[BC9_]

Before everyone loses their s**t about the lack of changes, just remember that the VFL played on Sunday afternoon and we're playing Thursday night, hard to bring kids up for the game with only a 4 day turnaround, including 1 day where they had to travel.

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[docko911]

15 of 22 players with >100 games, 9 of them with >50.
Gordon Lloyd Cotchin Astbury Martin Grimes Griffiths Conca Ellis Arnot Vlastuin all under 25 in the 22 with McDonough and Lennon it makes 13 of 25 under 25.

To come into the side if they keep playing well/recover from injury/rediscover form: Rance Vickery Dea Batchelor Helbig Elton O'Hanlon McIntosh & McBean.

That's 22 of 44 under 25 that could play a role this year and there are a few others that need to wait their chance like Banfield Miles Darrou & Williams.

There is plenty of youth there, they just need to force their way into the side through performances rather than having a birth certificate dated after 1989.

So why isn't McDonough in the side? Didn't play that bad round 1 and showed much better form than Petterd, and a few others early in the season.

Arnot? Why did Jake King unfit, no preseason get first dibs?

What about Petterd getting Batchelor's job last year? Hardly fair that he was dropped in favor of Petterd when the form guide was about the same yet Batchelor is younger with better skills.

Then there is always the consideration that if blokes aren't performing in the AFL they should be dropped regardless... You'll also never learn what a young bloke is capable of by playing him solely in the VFL. Give some of those above named blokes 4-5 games in a row in the AFL and see if there isn't a massive improvement. The gap between AFL and VFL is arguably the greatest distance between the top league and the next best in the world, young players need 20 games just to get comfortable, 50 to find their feet and don't really hit their stride until 100 games. In the past 4 years we should have seen most young players play 5-15 more games then this wouldn't be such a selection headache as they would already own a spot!

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

RodneyDangerfield

Yes Cutty?
Lol are you giving me a gentle nudge to come to Petterds defence?

 

[Cutty]

Yes Cutty?
Lol are you giving me a gentle nudge to come to Petterds defence?

Just thought you might enjoy the balanced and reasoned discussion regarding the merits of his selection this week

 

[_RT_]

The players who would play 4 days later aren't those who play longer ???

My mistake misread the first part.

How many 100 - 140 minute quarters have you seen ?

???

I am not sure how you get 2 rotations every 4 minutes = 1 every 2 minutes meaning 15 for a 30 minute quarter yet losing one player causes every player to stay on the ground 5-7 minutes longer ?

I was at the ground round 1 of the VFL standing right next to the bench and watched as played spent 2-3 minutes on the bench getting a breather before heading back out. Also watched as others were told to go a sit in a FP while they waited for a chance to come to the bench. Then there were the KPPs who were simply rotated around the ground until they could go no more before coming to the bench. When you're asking players to go out and give their all for a 5-7 minute burst then telling them they can't have a spell on the bench because no one is available to go back on you're putting them at greater risk of a soft tissue injury by forcing them to work harder and longer than they should.

 

[docko911]

My biggest problem isn't that we select Petterd or Thomas or any other mature player. My problem is we didn't give a young bloke the chance to own the spot first, and refuse to give them a chance in the senior team when blokes don't perform. How at this stage, when it is obvious blokes are out of form, is it not a good idea to give 1 or 2 blokes like McDonough, Helbig, Lennon, Batchelor, McIntosh a run in the seniors. The blokes filling our last 6 spots aren't performing, in fact most of our players aren't performing, so giving a bloke a chance can only benefit us long term. I'm not saying just gift them games but select the best performing youngsters to give the senior blokes a few weeks in the reserves.

The onus should then be on the underachieving senior players to force their way into the team and take the spots of the youngsters.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Why couldn't McDonough or Lennon be named sub?

Is it too much to ask them to play one quarter of footy 4 days after the Coburg game?

 

[This Is Anfield]

So why isn't McDonough in the side? Didn't play that bad round 1 and showed much better form than Petterd, and a few others early in the season.

Arnot? Why did Jake King unfit, no preseason get first dibs?

What about Petterd getting Batchelor's job last year? Hardly fair that he was dropped in favor of Petterd when the form guide was about the same yet Batchelor is younger with better skills.

Then there is always the consideration that if blokes aren't performing in the AFL they should be dropped regardless... You'll also never learn what a young bloke is capable of by playing him solely in the VFL. Give some of those above named blokes 4-5 games in a row in the AFL and see if there isn't a massive improvement. The gap between AFL and VFL is arguably the greatest distance between the top league and the next best in the world, young players need 20 games just to get comfortable, 50 to find their feet and don't really hit their stride until 100 games. In the past 4 years we should have seen most young players play 5-15 more games then this wouldn't be such a selection headache as they would already own a spot!

Really! Just how were Arnot & McDonough going to get these 5-15 extra games when we were fighting for a top four spot all last year & the incumbents were actually playing well!
And now, miraculously, Arnot, McDonough & Batchelor would have us 3-1 instead of 1-3, which is all poor Ricky's fault!