Recommended Viewing-ABC 2nyt 8pm re:Saturated Fats

[Bazzar]

Mmmm funny that!

And even better is the response to her grants that were posted.

Which is the organisation that produces the Australian Dietary Guidelines. So, the NHMR gives everyone heart disease and diabetes and obesity with their dietary guidelines that include tick approved non-foods and Emily gets the gig to devise the pharmaceuticals that supposedly keep us alive and saves the day. Meanwhile, Pfizer gets richer. the organic famers get screwed by the supermarkets and the unaware Australian walks around wondering why they feel like crap all the time. Once upon a time in a land far away you grew food, ate it and felt awesome.

 

[Bazzar]

We, the general public, expect to see the Heart Foundation give nutritionally-sound and unbiased advice.

Could you please assure us that this is the case, given that the Chair of your Food Nutrition Advisory Committee, also a Member of the Cardiovascular Health Advisory Committee at National Heart Foundation just happens to also be the Company Sectretary at Soy Australia Ltd... and Executive Director at Australian Oilseeds Federation.

Seems to me a MASSIVE conflict of interests here - can't see him advising anything other than seed oils even if there is overwhelming evidence that supports other types of fats.

I see no conflict

 

[Ripper]

I was pondering the other day that people seem to have gotten fatter (especially children) since all the "low fat" foods were introduced. Yes I am getting old.

 

[ablett]

I see no conflict

It's these type of people that created the Heart foundation to influence consumers to buy products containing ingredients they manufacturer, I'm glad you've suddenly become very passionate a about this, at worse your making members on here more aware-good job!

 

[Training Mad]

What would would a safe level of cholesterol for a 65 year old man who is not overweight. He dose not eat sugar ect. Currently 6.4

 

[evo]

What would would a safe level of cholesterol for a 65 year old man who is not overweight. He dose not eat sugar ect. Currently 6.4

It's more important to look at the ratio of HDL v LDL rather than the Total Colesterol number. And even that it is not that important. Inflammation is the killer.

http://deliciouslyorganic.net/inflammation-how-to-reduce-it-naturally/

 

[nicky]

hey evo, i watched the michael mosley doco last night (again ) on exercise. With regards to the fat test they did that you referred to in this thread..... I wonder if i missed something because it seemed like all that happened there was a revelation that there was more fat in his blood when he ate the fat full breakfast and less fat when he exercised before eating a fat full breakfast.

It was like there was this unexplained assumption that fat in your blood is bad -

Is fat in your blood bad? what does it do?

 

[ablett]

What would would a safe level of cholesterol for a 65 year old man who is not overweight. He dose not eat sugar ect. Currently 6.4

Docs like you to be between 4.1 to 5.5 but there's more to it than that.
HDL is the good & LDL the bad, supposedly, but it needs to broken down further to what score the the VLDL is in the LDL which docs don't advise you of.
At 6.4 docs will advise cholesterol lowering drugs which causes more health issues than its worth.
I seen a show where they did autopsies on elderly people , all who had cholesterol levels 8 yet none of them died from any heart related issues.
Mine is 3.9 so that blows the theory that high fat intake raises your cholesterol thru the roof cos I have minimum 100g a day, usually between closer to 200g.

As Evo mentioned, inflammation is the concern.
Docs will soon give you a script for cholesterol lowering drugs but happy to allow you to eat copious amounts of foods that are highly inflammatory, GP''s are hypocrites.

 

[Bazzar]

hey evo, i watched the michael mosley doco last night (again ) on exercise. With regards to the fat test they did that you referred to in this thread..... I wonder if i missed something because it seemed like all that happened there was a revelation that there was more fat in his blood when he ate the fat full breakfast and less fat when he exercised before eating a fat full breakfast.

It was like there was this unexplained assumption that fat in your blood is bad -

Is fat in your blood bad? what does it do?

Did you notice the big meal he had to consume on consecutive days? Exclude the Sat fat, their was a massive few scoops of white potato mash, large portion of baked beans tom/sauce and slice of white toast. Funny how the specialist didnt mention this as part of the unhealthy diet.

 

[Bazzar]

It was like there was this unexplained assumption that fat in your blood is bad -

Is fat in your blood bad? what does it do?

Thia is a ripper read from a CV Surgeon who has performed over 5000 open heart opps, and came out in 2011 and said " Today is my day to right the wrong with medical and scientific fact"

And a little summary for you.

Simply stated, without inflammation being present in the body, there is no way that cholesterol would accumulate in the wall of the blood vessel and cause heart disease and strokes.

Without inflammation, cholesterol would move freely throughout the body as nature intended.

It is inflammation that causes cholesterol to become trapped.

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease

 

[nicky]

Did you notice the big meal he had to consume on consecutive days? Exclude the Sat fat, their was a massive few scoops of white potato mash, large portion of baked beans tom/sauce and slice of white toast. Funny how the specialist didnt mention this as part of the unhealthy diet.

Yes i saw the bread and baked beans.

 

[Bazzar]

Yes i saw the bread and baked beans.

Dont forget the spuds.

Neurologist last week on Dr Oz said

If you eat potatoes you might as well eat candy.
Potatoes contain glucose units in a chain, which is converted to sugar in the GI tract. Such a diet causes blood sugar, and then the hormone insulin, to skyrocket

 

[nicky]

Hmmm - yes. I don't really eat potatoes at all because of their GI.

 

[Bazzar]

Hmmm - yes. I don't really eat potatoes at all because of their GI.

It was interesting both he and Dr Oz said low gi is just as bad, as it releases the sugar levels lower and slower but for a substained period, and at the end of the day the end result between a sm block of chocolate and a few slices of lo gi bread are exactly the same. He advocated a general total ban on carbs except from what comes from above ground greens and said if you do feel the need on the odd occasion some white or brown rice is the best option.

On the carbs, he said totally ban below ground veg, as they have some kind of build in growth protection where they store sugar. Im going to, with the exception of Sweet potato.

 

[nicky]

ban pumpkin? I dislike pumpkin but i love pumpkin pie that i make.

Also, i eat a bit of spelt. Not too much but a bit and am not ready to give that up yet.

 

[Bazzar]

ban pumpkin? I dislike pumpkin but i love pumpkin pie that i make.

Also, i eat a bit of spelt. Not too much but a bit and am not ready to give that up yet.

But they are obviously taking it to the extreme to make their case. I doubt you will have a coronary if you have some pumpkin. I love pumkin soup and will have that on occasions as well. [Over making it, but now buy the awesome pitango from coles]

 

[ablett]

Hmmm - yes. I don't really eat potatoes at all because of their GI.

There's some experts I know of that advocate fast GI arbs around training & in the evening so you get a fast insulin spike which clears faster & doesn't interfere with HGH release where as a low GI carb has a slower insulin peak which then insulin will hang around longer , i can understand their logic.
HGH plays a major role in fat burning , muscle recovery & growth, anti-aging, but it's hard for HGH to be effective because every time we ingest carbs the insulin spike blunts HGH release.
Insulin & HGH are never present at the same time, That's where IF has its benefits , fasting doesn't spike insulin.
The key to healthiness is eating foods that are non inflammatory & keeping insulin as inactive as possible.

 

[nicky]

ablett - i've been following your advice and sticking to protein and no carbs on training days. Do you think i should be eating carbs on those days?

 

[Bazzar]

Love the tick

Sugars 73.4g/100g

 

[evo]

hey evo, i watched the michael mosley doco last night (again ) on exercise. With regards to the fat test they did that you referred to in this thread..... I wonder if i missed something because it seemed like all that happened there was a revelation that there was more fat in his blood when he ate the fat full breakfast and less fat when he exercised before eating a fat full breakfast.

It was like there was this unexplained assumption that fat in your blood is bad -

Is fat in your blood bad? what does it do?

the blood scientist said it was bad, Mosley agreed. Although as you note, he didn't say why.

 

[nicky]

the blood scientist said it was bad, Mosley agreed. Although as you note, he didn't say why.

Cool beans so i didn't miss anything.

I noticed that they both agreed it was bad but wondered if this was based on an unexamined assumption or there is more to it.

 

[evo]

There's some experts I know of that advocate fast GI arbs around training & in the evening so you get a fast insulin spike which clears faster & doesn't interfere with HGH release where as a low GI carb has a slower insulin peak which then insulin will hang around longer , i can understand their logic.
HGH plays a major role in fat burning , muscle recovery & growth, anti-aging, but it's hard for HGH to be effective because every time we ingest carbs the insulin spike blunts HGH release.
Insulin & HGH are never present at the same time, That's where IF has its benefits , fasting doesn't spike insulin.
The key to healthiness is eating foods that are non inflammatory & keeping insulin as inactive as possible.

I must admit I'm a sucker for mash potato. I don't think it is that bad if you eat it as part of a mixed meal. High GI foods can be somewhat blunted if you have it with lower GI foods mixed in. I still reckon meat and 3 veg for dinner - say steak, broccoli, carrots and mash potato - is a pretty good meal, all things considered. I would be interested if anyone in this thread could provide evidence that it isn't.

 

[evo]

Cool beans so i didn't miss anything.

I noticed that they both agreed it was bad but wondered if this was based on an unexamined assumption or there is more to it.

yeah, I was hoping that they would elaborate and came away thinking Mosley is still somewhat stuck in the old way of thinking about fat.

 

[nicky]

yeah, I was hoping that they would elaborate and came away thinking Mosley is still somewhat stuck in the old way of thinking about fat.

Perhaps he is but i reckon he'll bring out a doco about fat and carbs soon enough. He brings out good information in docos and is a good researcher. Like IF. I wouldn't know about it if it weren't for him, and you for that matter.

 

[evo]

yeah his docos are great compared to most of the misinformation going around.