Very true, but for memory, Klinger had just come off 3 or 4 very ordinary seasons with Victoria before he came to Adelaide in 2008-09, and he scored over 1200 Sheffield Shield runs that season.
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Very true, but for memory, Klinger had just come off 3 or 4 very ordinary seasons with Victoria before he came to Adelaide in 2008-09, and he scored over 1200 Sheffield Shield runs that season.
I haven't kept up with Cooper, what are his plans?
he had come off an entire ordinary career
Playing in county cricket as a Dutchman which would make him an overseas player in Sheffield shield.
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Cosgrove is single handedly ruining this team.
Ok. Not quite single handedly but you know what I mean.
Why's this the case? I know about the overseas player issues, but have SA signed Cosgrove up on a big, multi-year contract that they can't get out of or something?
Three years wasn't it?
Madness.
Surely a change in status would cause a clause in his contract to be triggered.
I preface every comment I make about Cosgrove in order to make it clear I think there are positives and negatives when it comes to Cosgrove. He is an experienced cricketer with a lot of potential. He is certainly good enough to be playing Sheffield Shield cricket but lets himself down with his lack of fitness and apparent laziness.
As it stands in 2014-015, Cosgrove is the third highest run scorer in the team with 489 runs @ 37.62, recently passed by Cooper's 100 which took him to 544 runs. Batsmen such as Head, Smith, and certainly Ross don't measure up to Cosgrove in comparison.
People are getting head up over the fact he replaced Klinger. Sure, Klinger is having a fine season for WA, especially against SA, but let's look at his previous 2 seasons for SA shall we? Last season he made one score, a 213. The other 15 innings realised 355 runs @ 25.35. The previous season he totalled 330 runs @ 19.41. Hardly the sort of performance that would guarantee him a spot in any side. Cosgrove's 2014-15 performances are far superior to those.
In view of the fact I have two mates who were dropped from the Redbacks with averages in low 40s, just shows that reputations have the power to keep you playing long after you should have been dropped. There is no guarantee that Klinger would have made the Redbacks team at the beginning of the season, and by his own admission, his current form is fuelled by revenge on the Redbacks. Pity his motivation to prove people wrong is greater than proving the Redbacks selectors right for standing by him over a dismal couple of years.
The recruitment of Cosgrove hasn't been as poor a decision as people are imagining.
As it stands in 2014-015, Cosgrove is the third highest run scorer in the team with 489 runs @ 37.62, recently passed by Cooper's 100 which took him to 544 runs. Batsmen such as Head, Smith, and certainly Ross don't measure up to Cosgrove in comparison.
People are getting head up over the fact he replaced Klinger. Sure, Klinger is having a fine season for WA, especially against SA, but let's look at his previous 2 seasons for SA shall we? Last season he made one score, a 213. The other 15 innings realised 355 runs @ 25.35. The previous season he totalled 330 runs @ 19.41. Hardly the sort of performance that would guarantee him a spot in any side. Cosgrove's 2014-15 performances are far superior to those.
In view of the fact I have two mates who were dropped from the Redbacks with averages in low 40s, just shows that reputations have the power to keep you playing long after you should have been dropped. There is no guarantee that Klinger would have made the Redbacks team at the beginning of the season, and by his own admission, his current form is fuelled by revenge on the Redbacks. Pity his motivation to prove people wrong is greater than proving the Redbacks selectors right for standing by him over a dismal couple of years.
The recruitment of Cosgrove hasn't been as poor a decision as people are imagining.
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You joke but his slow running and extremely poor fielding must cost quite a few runs.
An interesting thing about Michael Klinger is that he might actually be the most average player to have a 10 + season career in recent shield history. He's now got 14 Australian FC seasons under his belt, and including this season, and he's got an average higher than 40 in 4 of them. That's...very average. In his last 4 seasons with SA, he scored 4 tons in them, and he got more than 15 innings in each of those seasons. he was failing a lot more than he was succeeding. He's not Chris Rogers, y'know. His season with WA is very very impressive, but he hasn't been near this level for yonks and who knows what happens if he stays at SA.
I think if SA were only looking at this from a shield perspective, their decision to not do a 2 year deal can be justified. I'm not sure I would have done it, but no way would I have automatically matched WA's deal because I couldn't imagine life without the amazing Michael Klinger. Obviously though, if you look beyond just the shield, it probably should have been matched. But it's a bit difficult coz we don't know SA plans. Maybe they thought they would have Hughes with them all summer, and the season after they would really start pushing Kelvin Smith, leading to Klinger being less important. For a state has produced * all for Australian cricket for so many years, maybe they really were focused on producing some Australian test cricketers, and a 2 year deal for Klinger didn't match that picture, so they let him walk. Cosgrove didn't match that I suppose either, but you know what? I can't actually find details reguarding Cosgrove's contract. He rejected a 2 year deal from Tassie for "Family and personal reasons", signed in SA, and then signed his county deal, although it appears that hasn't actually been signed yet. Maybe Cosgrove only has one year deal with SA. They were fine with an one year deal with Klinger, remember.
(The only special thing about Klinger's shield career, btw, is that he's got like 15 shield tons over those many seasons, and he's got 7 scores over 150. Which leads to stuff like his 11-12 season, where he hit 3 figures once, but it was a 219* late in the season which pushed him over the 40 average mark )
I think if SA were only looking at this from a shield perspective, their decision to not do a 2 year deal can be justified. I'm not sure I would have done it, but no way would I have automatically matched WA's deal because I couldn't imagine life without the amazing Michael Klinger. Obviously though, if you look beyond just the shield, it probably should have been matched. But it's a bit difficult coz we don't know SA plans. Maybe they thought they would have Hughes with them all summer, and the season after they would really start pushing Kelvin Smith, leading to Klinger being less important. For a state has produced * all for Australian cricket for so many years, maybe they really were focused on producing some Australian test cricketers, and a 2 year deal for Klinger didn't match that picture, so they let him walk. Cosgrove didn't match that I suppose either, but you know what? I can't actually find details reguarding Cosgrove's contract. He rejected a 2 year deal from Tassie for "Family and personal reasons", signed in SA, and then signed his county deal, although it appears that hasn't actually been signed yet. Maybe Cosgrove only has one year deal with SA. They were fine with an one year deal with Klinger, remember.
(The only special thing about Klinger's shield career, btw, is that he's got like 15 shield tons over those many seasons, and he's got 7 scores over 150. Which leads to stuff like his 11-12 season, where he hit 3 figures once, but it was a 219* late in the season which pushed him over the 40 average mark )
Cossie unveiled as captain of Leicester - the mob Andrew McDonald is coaching. I rate Macca very highly in many areas, but I'm baffled by this.
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Cossie getting handed everything on a silver platter at the minute.
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Cossie has got a good cricket brain. That side of captaining I think he'll be good.
Obviously falls down in some other areas.
Obviously falls down in some other areas.
There was a long discussion on the TMS podcast (Radio 5 Live) about English cricket between four ex-players - Gooch, Butcher, Giles and Harmison.
At one point there was a discussion about the role of coaches and captains, and the gist was that they need to work in tandem.
It's worth listening to the whole discussion, but it makes me think that McDonald believes that he and Cosgrove have similar philosophies on the game, and that what one can't do, the other can.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/tms/tms_20150310-2134a.mp3
Get it while you can. ^
Yeah heard it and agree it was very good - while I agree Cosgrove has a good cricket brain, I'm not sure he would be my choice, but given Leicester are so low they probably don't have many options.
I don't know Cosgrove, I know McDonald reasonably well and he has a cricket brain as good as anyone, but it's just a shame he can't get out on the park and Captain, because that's where the real genius would appear.
McDonald is also teammates with Cosgrove so will have a pretty good idea of Cosgrove's leadership abilities.
Yep. You need to look at the overall package. Cossie was captain of his grade club in a Grand Final several years ago. He was in the game early, did a fair bit of bowling, I was impressed by his use of bowlers and field placements, but then he appeared to get tired. He took himself out of slip and fielded on the boundary for awhile, and I'm old fashioned, I like my captains close to the action where they can talk to bowlers, etc.
They had the opposition 6/98, then 8/134, but they finished with 8/261 which won the game. If Cossie was interested in the captaincy, I'd look him square in the eyes and say, "Look mate, a captain needs to lead by example. You can't even consider it unless you are prepared to lose at least 10kg and show you are fair dinkum". You never know, he may surprise. You can do anything provided you really want to do it.
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Still reckon a lot of Cossie's problems could have been solved if they just sealed his driver's side window closed
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