I donut remember making this fred.
Not all donuts are holey... but some are. That's what this fred has taught me.
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I donut remember making this fred.
I haven't grasped religion's concept of eternity? Yeah, I suppose I never will until I'm a believer, right? When you refer to existence outside of time and space, that's the very crux of the issue. Explain to me why I should believe in the existence of something/someone that contradicts physical law?I'm not being condescending, but judging by that statement I don't think you have grasped eternity, or existence outside the restrictions of time and space.
I'm more of the persuasion that the days represent periods of time btw.
Well you said that God existed for eternity, but one day decided to begin creating. That's contradictory.I haven't grasped religion's concept of eternity? Yeah, I suppose I never will until I'm a believer, right? When you refer to existence outside of time and space, that's the very crux of the issue. Explain to me why I should believe in the existence of something/someone that contradicts physical law?
And whatever it was that caused the universe to be created, if of course the universe isn't in itself eternal, why and how can you be so sure that the god you worship should be credited for its creation?Well you said that God existed for eternity, but one day decided to begin creating. That's contradictory.
I believe that whatever the first cause of the universe was, it had to exist outside of space and time by necessity, otherwise the universe and all matter would be eternal.
Simply stated, I see perfect order and obvious intelligence in nature. Believing that the phenomenal world arose completely by random, chaotic chance is totally irrationally to me, and just plain intellectually dishonest.
I love the show QI. Whilst a very intelligent man he does have a sense of humour too. One of the few people I can honestly say that when I hear him speak, I listen.I'm well aware of Stephen Fry's work, and I am a big fan!
I love the show QI. Whilst a very intelligent man he does have a sense of humour too. One of the few people I can honestly say that when I hear him speak, I listen.
His speech about the Roman Catholic church is very good too.
It would be if it were that way. But two key things need to be addressed:
1. Nature is anything but perfect. There is imperfection everywhere, and Homo sapiens has more than its fair share (eyes, back, and knees for starters).
2. it depends which 'world' you're talking about. If you're talking biological evolution, it is the absolute opposite of chance. It is the most brutal, unforgiving, and most importantly, indifferent, filter you can think of.
On you start doing there merest amount of study into these areas, the need for a supernatural sky being just melts away.
I have studied it. I'm sorry, but I'm far from convinced.
And whatever it was that caused the universe to be created, if of course the universe isn't in itself eternal, why and how can you be so sure that the god you worship should be credited for its creation?
To each their own. No problem.
But the recurrent laryngeal nerve (present in all mammals) is incredibly inefficient. So is the prostate gland. And anyone who subscribes to the idea of a kind, benevolent deity has to explain the Ichneumonoidea - wasps whose larvae devour paralysed prey from the inside out while still alive.
Which God are we referring to? There are hundreds of religions throughout the world all of whom worship their version of God. Why do you think your God is the supreme being?Any religion that gives credit to the creator is correct in doing so I think. But I have respect for all religions and appreciate their value. If God did all this, I see no logical reason NOT to worship.
You didn't answer my question. If god did all this... how can you be sure that your religion, that being Christianity or a branch thereof, indeed contains everything that the god almighty, creator of the universe, wants humans to believe/carry out?Any religion that gives credit to the creator is correct in doing so I think. But I have respect for all religions and appreciate their value. If God did all this, I see no logical reason NOT to worship.
To each their own. No problem.
But the recurrent laryngeal nerve (present in all mammals) is incredibly inefficient. So is the prostate gland. And anyone who subscribes to the idea of a kind, benevolent deity has to explain the Ichneumonoidea - wasps whose larvae devour paralysed prey from the inside out while still alive.
I'm not defending theism but the other side isn't as knockdown as it likes to think it is.
You didn't answer my question. If god did all this... how can you be sure that your religion, that being Christianity or a branch thereof, indeed contains everything that the god almighty, creator of the universe, wants humans to believe/carry out?
Science is full of a lot theories and a lot of scientists tend to disagree on these theories. Which as you have said creates uncertanty. This is particularly applicable to cosmology, astrophysics etc.To me that's the greatest misconception about science; this notion of certainty. Science is full of uncertainty. Doubt leads to questions, and questions lead to discoveries. It's not science that says "God did it" whenever it hits a fact it isn't ready for.
Science is full of a lot theories and a lot of scientists tend to disagree on these theories. Which as you have said creates uncertanty. This is particularly applicable to cosmology, astrophysics etc.
Not sure if you have read anything about the recently discovered socalled "Alien Superstructure". It has certainly put a few in conjecture overload.It does. Importantly too, a 'theory' in science carries far more weight than in typical parlance. To overthrow existing paradigms you need an awfully large amount of evidence. Or results that can be replicated. Or both.
Depends on your conception of God really. Does "God" give rise to existence only (perhaps not even exiting itself as we understand it)? or sits their everyday tinkering? And the more I learn about quantum theory the less I become convinced about the "scientific method" and empirical evidence...
I'm not defending theism but the other side isn't as knockdown as it likes to think it is.
So we have the possibility of infinite intelligence operating at infinite speed across the universe. Which of course means this could have happened already.