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The San Diego Raiders
Posted on January 19, 2016 by Matt Artz
Our sister paper in LA has been letting the world know that the Raiders could end up in San Diego. Vincent Bonsignore is very well-sourced. I saw that first-hand in Houston last week. It’s clear that the Raiders will leverage other markets to try to extract concessions from Oakland. However, I’m not sure the Raiders-to-San Diego narrative is as rosy as it might appear.
To read Vincent’s recent column, click here.
I’m going to highlight some of his statements below and give my two cents. Here we go:
According to sources, San Diego is a very real and viable option. It’s a market the NFL absolutely wants to be in, and one the league is comfortable the Raiders would dominate.
Let’s be real: The Raiders haven’t dominated a market in 35 years. The didn’t dominate LA, and they’ve been second fiddle here since their return. Losing hasn’t helped, but the big reason is the team can’t sit still. Moving a third time — to a city where they’re largely despised — doesn’t seem like a recipe market domination, no matter what folks in the NFL want to believe.
In other words, the NFL would have a strong presence in San Diego (if the Raiders moved there) and be able to leverage the Bay Area to motivate current markets into securing stadium deals for their teams.
Huh? The Bay Area as the new Los Angeles? Would Jed York willingly rent out his stadium and share a market he would completely control after the Raiders left town? If not, that means this new team would be moving to a city (Oakland) that refuses to contribute to a stadium and whose own stadium study shows a limited market for PSLs, luxury boxes, etc.
Then there’s the issue that many of the fans this new team would try to win over would probably still be rooting for the Raiders. Not exactly as exciting as moving to a vacant Los Angeles.
As for the Raiders, a move to San Diego is advantageous for a number of reasons.
The Silver and Black have a strong foothold in Southern California, and can count on support from nearby Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Los Angeles and even Ventura counties. In addition to San Diego, of course.
You’d guys know better than me, but isn’t there a big difference between circling one game on the calendar and driving or flying two hours for it, and doing that for every game? Can a franchise really be successful with a commuter fan base?
The key is, can the Raiders do what the Chargers could not: Agree on a stadium deal with San Diego, and get it approved?
Obviously that remains to be seen. But two things to consider: If San Diego loses the Chargers, the mindset shifts from keeping the NFL to attracting the NFL. So there will be ample motivation.
There are several examples of cities that lost their NFL team and then offered generous public subsides to get one back (St. Louis, Baltimore, Houston Cleveland) What does San Diego have that those cities don’t have? The best weather in the world.
What other city with great weather also lost its NFL teams? Los Angeles!!! And, did Los Angeles open up its wallet to the NFL after the Raiders and Rams left? It’s wishful thinking on the part of the NFL to think San Diego will act like a rust belt city after losing pro football. It’s much more likely that it will act like Los Angeles.
Davis isn’t looking to build an extravagant $1.7 billion stadium. He wants a modest, contemporary venue that includes all the bells and whistles and revenue streams of new stadiums around the league.
But at a much smaller price tag.
In other words, he can approach San Diego with much more palatable and less expensive needs. For local leaders, that means a more doable stadium plan both economically and politically.
First off, we don’t know if Davis’ Oakland stadium would really cost just $900 million. And that isn’t much lower than San Diego’s $1.1 billion plan. More important thing to remember is that the Raiders are proposing a small stadium in Oakland because there are studies showing that it’s all the market offers.
The Carson stadium was bigger with more suites and club seating because it was assumed the LA market could fill it. If the Raiders go to San Diego, they’ll likely want a stadium that will meet market demand for the team. There’s reason to question how much market demand there would be, but if the Raiders think there’s bigger demand than in Oakland, they would likely want a stadium to meet that demand.
And, even if the Raiders wanted less than $350 million from San Diego, that doesn’t mean San Diego residents would vote for it.
Posted on January 19, 2016 by Matt Artz
Our sister paper in LA has been letting the world know that the Raiders could end up in San Diego. Vincent Bonsignore is very well-sourced. I saw that first-hand in Houston last week. It’s clear that the Raiders will leverage other markets to try to extract concessions from Oakland. However, I’m not sure the Raiders-to-San Diego narrative is as rosy as it might appear.
To read Vincent’s recent column, click here.
I’m going to highlight some of his statements below and give my two cents. Here we go:
According to sources, San Diego is a very real and viable option. It’s a market the NFL absolutely wants to be in, and one the league is comfortable the Raiders would dominate.
Let’s be real: The Raiders haven’t dominated a market in 35 years. The didn’t dominate LA, and they’ve been second fiddle here since their return. Losing hasn’t helped, but the big reason is the team can’t sit still. Moving a third time — to a city where they’re largely despised — doesn’t seem like a recipe market domination, no matter what folks in the NFL want to believe.
In other words, the NFL would have a strong presence in San Diego (if the Raiders moved there) and be able to leverage the Bay Area to motivate current markets into securing stadium deals for their teams.
Huh? The Bay Area as the new Los Angeles? Would Jed York willingly rent out his stadium and share a market he would completely control after the Raiders left town? If not, that means this new team would be moving to a city (Oakland) that refuses to contribute to a stadium and whose own stadium study shows a limited market for PSLs, luxury boxes, etc.
Then there’s the issue that many of the fans this new team would try to win over would probably still be rooting for the Raiders. Not exactly as exciting as moving to a vacant Los Angeles.
As for the Raiders, a move to San Diego is advantageous for a number of reasons.
The Silver and Black have a strong foothold in Southern California, and can count on support from nearby Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Los Angeles and even Ventura counties. In addition to San Diego, of course.
You’d guys know better than me, but isn’t there a big difference between circling one game on the calendar and driving or flying two hours for it, and doing that for every game? Can a franchise really be successful with a commuter fan base?
The key is, can the Raiders do what the Chargers could not: Agree on a stadium deal with San Diego, and get it approved?
Obviously that remains to be seen. But two things to consider: If San Diego loses the Chargers, the mindset shifts from keeping the NFL to attracting the NFL. So there will be ample motivation.
There are several examples of cities that lost their NFL team and then offered generous public subsides to get one back (St. Louis, Baltimore, Houston Cleveland) What does San Diego have that those cities don’t have? The best weather in the world.
What other city with great weather also lost its NFL teams? Los Angeles!!! And, did Los Angeles open up its wallet to the NFL after the Raiders and Rams left? It’s wishful thinking on the part of the NFL to think San Diego will act like a rust belt city after losing pro football. It’s much more likely that it will act like Los Angeles.
Davis isn’t looking to build an extravagant $1.7 billion stadium. He wants a modest, contemporary venue that includes all the bells and whistles and revenue streams of new stadiums around the league.
But at a much smaller price tag.
In other words, he can approach San Diego with much more palatable and less expensive needs. For local leaders, that means a more doable stadium plan both economically and politically.
First off, we don’t know if Davis’ Oakland stadium would really cost just $900 million. And that isn’t much lower than San Diego’s $1.1 billion plan. More important thing to remember is that the Raiders are proposing a small stadium in Oakland because there are studies showing that it’s all the market offers.
The Carson stadium was bigger with more suites and club seating because it was assumed the LA market could fill it. If the Raiders go to San Diego, they’ll likely want a stadium that will meet market demand for the team. There’s reason to question how much market demand there would be, but if the Raiders think there’s bigger demand than in Oakland, they would likely want a stadium to meet that demand.
And, even if the Raiders wanted less than $350 million from San Diego, that doesn’t mean San Diego residents would vote for it.
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Poll: San Diego doesn’t want the Raiders
Posted on January 19, 2016 by Matt Artz
Click here for a recent UT San Diego poll on the NFL in San Diego.
Here is the key question for Raiders fans:
If the Chargers leave San Diego, would you sup-port an attempt to bring the Oakland Raiders here? Would you support an at-tempt to bring another NFL team here? Or would you not support an attempt to bring another NFL Team here:
Raiders: 18 percent
Another Team: 34 percent
No Team: 45 percent
Not Sure: 3 percent
One more key question:
If the Chargers leave San Diego, would you sup-port or oppose using public financing to build a new stadium to bring another NFL team here?
Support: 31 percent
Oppose: 58 percent
Posted on January 19, 2016 by Matt Artz
Click here for a recent UT San Diego poll on the NFL in San Diego.
Here is the key question for Raiders fans:
If the Chargers leave San Diego, would you sup-port an attempt to bring the Oakland Raiders here? Would you support an at-tempt to bring another NFL team here? Or would you not support an attempt to bring another NFL Team here:
Raiders: 18 percent
Another Team: 34 percent
No Team: 45 percent
Not Sure: 3 percent
One more key question:
If the Chargers leave San Diego, would you sup-port or oppose using public financing to build a new stadium to bring another NFL team here?
Support: 31 percent
Oppose: 58 percent
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Even for you Riggy that is a poor troll effort. Come on son.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0d6e239f-639a-5d95-b20e-14e514e074e9.html
PSL owners are in s**t creek, Rams fans seeking refunds for deception over the last ten years.
Probably pocket change for Kronke but another cost of relocation
PSL owners are in s**t creek, Rams fans seeking refunds for deception over the last ten years.
Probably pocket change for Kronke but another cost of relocation
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Report: Raiders To Discuss Lease Extension With O.Co Coliseum
by RaidersBeat.com • January 23, 2016
With San Diego presently occupied by the Chargers, Raiders’ owner Mark Davis is taking steps toward a humble return to Oakland. “The Raiders and ourselves have agreed to sit down and have discussions about a lease extension,” Scott McKibben, who is executive director of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Authority, told the Contra Costa Times on Thursday.
While Davis has been linked to San Antonio and San Diego, he still has an outside chance at joining the Rams in Los Angeles. If the Chargers move slowly to make a decision on Los Angeles (they have up to a year), it’s likely, if not unavoidable, that the Raiders will spend another year negotiating and weighing options – as tenants in the Coliseum.
The question going forward is whether or not the Raiders want to be in Oakland. They’ve already made the case that Oakland is no longer a viable NFL market and Davis has barely engaged with Oakland and Alameda County politicians.
Is it too late for the Raiders and Oakland to make nice?
That’s something they’ll probably be forced to decide while locked in a room together for another year.
Report: Raiders To Discuss Lease Extension With O.Co Coliseum
by RaidersBeat.com • January 23, 2016
With San Diego presently occupied by the Chargers, Raiders’ owner Mark Davis is taking steps toward a humble return to Oakland. “The Raiders and ourselves have agreed to sit down and have discussions about a lease extension,” Scott McKibben, who is executive director of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Authority, told the Contra Costa Times on Thursday.
While Davis has been linked to San Antonio and San Diego, he still has an outside chance at joining the Rams in Los Angeles. If the Chargers move slowly to make a decision on Los Angeles (they have up to a year), it’s likely, if not unavoidable, that the Raiders will spend another year negotiating and weighing options – as tenants in the Coliseum.
The question going forward is whether or not the Raiders want to be in Oakland. They’ve already made the case that Oakland is no longer a viable NFL market and Davis has barely engaged with Oakland and Alameda County politicians.
Is it too late for the Raiders and Oakland to make nice?
That’s something they’ll probably be forced to decide while locked in a room together for another year.
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Raiders could move to San Diego for the 2017 or 2018 season.
Schefter's source called the potential move "very viable." The Raiders-to-San Diego possibility was first reported two weeks ago by ESPN's John Clayton following a private discussion with Raiders owner Mark Davis. The Chargers are fully expected to join the Rams in Inglewood (CA), creating room for the Raiders in San Diego. Even after missing out on Los Angeles, Davis seems dead set on leaving Oakland. The Raiders have also been linked to San Antonio, but San Diego is a more realistic relocation option.
Source: ESPN.com
Schefter's source called the potential move "very viable." The Raiders-to-San Diego possibility was first reported two weeks ago by ESPN's John Clayton following a private discussion with Raiders owner Mark Davis. The Chargers are fully expected to join the Rams in Inglewood (CA), creating room for the Raiders in San Diego. Even after missing out on Los Angeles, Davis seems dead set on leaving Oakland. The Raiders have also been linked to San Antonio, but San Diego is a more realistic relocation option.
Source: ESPN.com
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As i've said for a long time, I'll be absolutely staggered if they are playing in Oakland long term. This San Diego talk is extremely preliminary but it's a more realistic option at this stage than getting something done on the Coliseum site.
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I think the San Diego threat is more of a threat to the Chargers to not move otherwise they are sharing south California with two other teams with roots in the community
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But if the Chargers decline to move to Los Angeles, the Raiders are going to jump right in as that second team in Inglewood. Either way, it's more than likely going to be 3 teams in SoCal when the dust settles.
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It's a ruse imo to try to make chargers stay in San Diego so the raiders can go to LA in their stead. As in, if chargers choose LA I dont think Mark will choose San Diego. Itd be like Spanos calling his bluff.
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St Louis Jaguars.
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It could be for sure. I find it hard to believe it though, but it's certainly a possibility (the ruse).
I don't think that anyone can discount San Diego for the Raiders permanent future home going forward, if the Chargers move to LA. For all the talk about how Oakland is the 'home' of the Raiders, if they can't get a stadium deal done there, they're not going to stay there in the Coliseum because of the history and nostalgia associated with that. If not Oakland, and not Los Angeles, San Diego makes a very logistical location moving forward assuming something can get done there.
Was interesting speaking to a friend of mine last night who has covered the Raiders and has also covered San Diego sports teams for 10+ years. Of note, he also has a direct line to Mark Davis. He pretty much said that Mark is going to need to make a number of concessions if they are going to get a stadium done anywhere. The more parking spaces you have, the less money you can make on the site. It really is that simple, and was one of the main reasons why Inglewood was favoured over Carson. His vision is too simplistic, a "traditional 90s stadium" which isn't going to work in today's NFL. I look forward to seeing what eventually happens, because the Raiders will eventually get a stadium somewhere.
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Chargers have bought 5acres of land in orange county.
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I'd like to see that.
So, I've been hearing the Raiders brand is too big.
Oakland should go all Colts on Oakland and just move.
Would the NFL ditch the Raiders?
According to here no...
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Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the possibility of the Raiders moving to Las Vegas is "very real," and that owner Mark Davis has been discussing the possibility with casino magnate Sheldon Adelson for "two years."
Concurrently, longtime Raiders reporter Bill Williamson reports Las Vegas is "confident" about attracting a team to town. Almost assuredly, lots of this is hot air, but it's something to be taken seriously since the Raiders' Oakland situation is beyond tenuous at this point. The major roadblock is the NFL's extreme aversion toward appearing to support gambling. Of all the league's 32 owners, Davis is probably near the bottom when it comes to the kind of clout that would be needed to persuade for such a move.
Source: Jason Cole on Twitter
Concurrently, longtime Raiders reporter Bill Williamson reports Las Vegas is "confident" about attracting a team to town. Almost assuredly, lots of this is hot air, but it's something to be taken seriously since the Raiders' Oakland situation is beyond tenuous at this point. The major roadblock is the NFL's extreme aversion toward appearing to support gambling. Of all the league's 32 owners, Davis is probably near the bottom when it comes to the kind of clout that would be needed to persuade for such a move.
Source: Jason Cole on Twitter
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Sands to partner with UNLV on stadium, hope to bring Raiders here
by Jon Ralston Thu, 01/28/2016 - 14:20
by Jon Ralston Thu, 01/28/2016 - 14:20
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Proposed Las Vegas stadium....
