Ross is a career coach with the top of the ladder team, and the best player in the comp. Moving to Carlton would be career suicide. Not gonna happen.
Rumour Ross Lyon to coach Carlton from 2016
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wowlace
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Bro, somebody is taking you for a ride. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't have the contacts you think you have.
no thanks, we need ticker not drugs
I'll be ****ed if I'm having a coach at Carlton who doesn't tick any boxes.
I have boxes and I want them ticked and I want them ticked NOW !!!
The term "good authority" is like the term "elite", it is thrown around way too often these days
Ross Lyon doesn't build lists. He goes to teams that already are, or on the verge of, maturing, and then he drills them into being a very good side. He has never proven that he's capable of building a list from the ground up, and he really doesn't need to when other coaches can do the work for him before they get turfed. When Freo's window closes and they have to start rebuilding, I suspect he'll jump ship, but unless another coach has already built Carlton up to the point where they're on the verge of being a good side, he won't go there. He'll go to another team that has a decent list but with a coach that isn't getting the best out of the group.
So Lyon is going to walk out on the top team in the comp, sell the house he recently brought, walk away from a lucrative contract and move his family back to Melbourne to coach the Carlton 
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There's absolutely no reason for him to do it, can't see that happening.
.There's absolutely no reason for him to do it, can't see that happening.
Really, our list is substantially different under Lyon, his added and built on what was already there for the better so thats just blatantly false.
People say Ross "doesn't" build lists and he "jumps" ship, which implies he has done it more than once. He has done it once in his entire career, when his old club was stalling on his contract negotiations when he was on the verge of personal bankruptcy and a new club offered him more than what he was after within a few days of speaking to him
Apart from that one time, at no other stage in his entire coaching career has he exhibited the tendencies he is constantly accused of having on bigfooty
He is financially stable, in a good place with a good football team and good support staff. He is not going anywhere
How so? Most of the players currently in the side were already there when he got there. Much of the recruiting and fundamental development was done before he got there, just as it was with St. Kilda. He just taught the team how to play a style of game more conducive to winning, and some of the players have become better under him due to better discipline and natural development. The guy is a great strategic coach and very good at getting players to adhere to the structures he puts in place, but there is little evidence that he can develop players.
The question you have to ask is why would he waste his time rebuilding Freo back up once they fall away? When St. Kilda started to decline, he jumped ship because he knew he could find more success with another list and that rebuilding the Saints for five years would be a waste of his time and expertise.
rodney hoo
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What part? The fact that he can't build a list. Okay, provide evidence to the contrary. Was most of the work at Fremantle not done before he got there? How do you know he won't leave Fremantle once the window closes and they have to start re-building? His tenure at Fremantle is following a very similar pattern to what we saw at the Saints.Beleive what you like mate but everyone who follows Freo knows this is a load crap.
Im not going waste my time going over it, this ridiculous view that some have is just ill informed uneducated garbage.
The information is all there if you want to find it and gain a balanced unbiased view.
It's easy to say that from the outside, but the list issue was actually secondary to why Ross actually left St Kilda. He was in financial ruin, I remember an article going around that it was so bad at one point he had to sleep in his car for a short while. The problems with St Kilda's negotiations with Ross regarding his contract are well documented
It wasn't as if he was coming in to a club that was a massive contender - at that point our entire success was one embarrassing prelim in Sydney in 06. Our recent results in late 2011 in Melbourne involved a 90 point belting by Melbourne, 100 point belting by North and 66 goal belting by the Bulldogs. Injuries or no injuries, we were nowhere near it before Ross came along
As an aside, that's also why Freo fans love Ross so much now. He is the first actual good coach in the history of our club. You have no idea what it's like going your entire life supporting a side that you can't even imagine being close to a premiership, then in one off season move going straight from being a laughing stock to being a contender. It's awesome.
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Players bought in and drafted under Lyon who are starting 22
Danyle Pearce (Traded in)
Clancee Pearce (Rookie promotion)
Lee Spurr (Rookie promotion)
Matt Taberner (Drafted)
Alex Pearce (Drafted)
Tom Sheridan (Drafted)
Lachie Neale (Drafted)
Cameron Sutcliffe (Drafted)
Zac Dawson (Traded in)
Michael Walters (career saved under Lyon)
Id call that solid list building.
Danyle Pearce (Traded in)
Clancee Pearce (Rookie promotion)
Lee Spurr (Rookie promotion)
Matt Taberner (Drafted)
Alex Pearce (Drafted)
Tom Sheridan (Drafted)
Lachie Neale (Drafted)
Cameron Sutcliffe (Drafted)
Zac Dawson (Traded in)
Michael Walters (career saved under Lyon)
Id call that solid list building.
I also think that Fyfe, Hill, Johnson and Mundy would not be anywhere near the players that they are if we still had Harvey instead of Ross
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Majority of them aren't key players. Mostly fringe or role players.
Sandilands, Pavlich, McPharlin, Fyfe, Mundy, Johnson, ,Ballantyne, Barlow, Hill are the driving force in your side and they were all there already.
I call bullshit, Ross Lyon does not rebuild lists..
But half of them weren't any good before he got there. At least not as good as they are now. There is more to list building than just drafting, you have to develop the fringe or role players into key players. Senior coaches hardly ever get a final say in who gets drafted anyway
I have it on good authority from [insert vague mate-of-a-mate connection here] that [insert coach here] will be coaching [insert club here] in 2016. He is [insert relationship here] with the [insert official here] at [insert club here], and has apparently been offered [insert deal here] to coach them.
rodney hoo
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I'm not certain how they go about building list at your chattery but at Freo since Brad Lloyd has been there 2/3 years before Ross Lyon got there it's been don't trade your first pick and take best available. Just to prove the point everyone had Freo going key position in last years draft, we took midfielders best available at each pick. Now I know your coach Chris Scott was tutored by mark Harvey and might have to do everything but at Freo we have a full list management team. The problem you seem to have is that Ross saw talent at Freo and excepted the chalange . Chris Scott certainanly didn't leave Freo for a dud cats team. Open your eyes and stop seeing clap trap.
Wow, a full list management team? What a professional operation. Must have won a lot of flags with that setup. Unlike that dud Cats team, which had just won its third flag in five years when Ross jumped ship to Freo. Don't know why you can't talk about your own team without referring to others.
