Ross Lyon's Finals coaching Record

[Prudster]

Lyon doesn't draft players.

He has faults.

But he didn't build the list at st Kilda or at Freo.

Just like Clarkson didn't draft Franklin, Hodge etc.

Lyon could play more kids if you're being super critical, but he has shown he will play them if they're good enough, he just won't hold their hand. Plenty of kids playing at Freo atm.

Wasn't Clarko at the club for the 2004 draft? There aren't many players who played in 2008 that preceded Clarko, and even fewer who played in the threepeat. So he did actually play a big role in building the list.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Clarko makes draft selections?

 

[SHill Shall]

Gameplan just doesn't stand up to finals pressure football, Ross will NEVER EVER be a premiership winning coach.

Crap - go back and watch the 2009 and (first) 2010 GF's. Desperately unlucky not to have at least one in the bag.

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Clarko makes draft selections?

Clarkson absolutely had/continues to have pull over the direction of recruiting.

 

[Xtreme]

Crap - go back and watch the 2009 and (first) 2010 GF's. Desperately unlucky not to have at least one in the bag.

Nowhere near winning either match, Geelong and Collingwood were destined to win their respective years.

 

[Prudster]

Clarko makes draft selections?

 

[estibador]

Port style demons?

Lol, that's desperate - got done by the best side in the comp in their 4th consecutive GF.

I see... so when Hawthorn beat you in finals it's excusable because they're the best team in the comp, but when they beat us in finals it's because Lyon is no good.

 

[estibador]

"and then we have Clarkson with an outstanding record of 62.24% in H&A "

Your sarcasm needed addressing. If that wasn't your intention then it was poorly worded.

It's only poorly worded if you take the first half of the sentence out of context because you're actively looking to be offended.

 

[Ian Dunross]

?

 

[Jables]

Clarkson is involved with recruitment and may shift the focus to needs, like when we started drafting speedsters in Smith, Hill and Hartung, but ultimately he's had the best recruiting staff in the AFL to help him. He doesn't have the final say on who to recruit. Clarkson may be the best coach, but it's ludicrous to compare their finals record and pretend that means Lyon isn't a great coach. Fremantle have been the toughest opponent over the 3 peat and were damn close to beating us in the PF but we had our kicking boots on, OP's team not so much.

 

[SBYM]

I was adamant Ross needs to go right after the PF loss...

May have cooled a bit on that, but it's a glaring reality that what he does in finals does not win GFs. He's had some bad luck, sure...but it ain't all bad luck and he has been to the well quite a few times now with nada to show for it.

Maybe he can change...more power to him, if so...

Pretty big if but...

 

[Mr Commissioner]

Clarkson is involved with recruitment and may shift the focus to needs, like when we started drafting speedsters in Smith, Hill and Hartung, but ultimately he's had the best recruiting staff in the AFL to help him. He doesn't have the final say on who to recruit. Clarkson may be the best coach, but it's ludicrous to compare their finals record and pretend that means Lyon isn't a great coach. Fremantle have been the toughest opponent over the 3 peat and were damn close to beating us in the PF but we had our kicking boots on, OP's team not so much.

No offence - but we belted you in the PF - panicked on the big stage and Simpson in his first finals series as coach had a down day - not too concerned, if a trend emerges I'm sure the club will make the decisions required to secure our 4th flag.

 

[justlookingaround]

You guys romanticise the role of head coach so much.
The role of the head coach in this day and age is to train players, get them match fit and to develop game/list strategies... Ross Lyon has done all these things impeccably through his entire career and if Freo slumps into a rebuilding period he'll take charge of another up and coming list.
This is the way professional coaching works in the modern sporting world, especially in leagues such as the NFL and EPL, the AFL is following suit.

 

[Schauermann]

You guys romanticise the role of head coach so much.

A lot of people overrate it as well. I'd say a good list can win a premiership without a good coach, but a good coach cannot do it with a bad list.

 

[Moo]

No offence - but we belted you in the PF - panicked on the big stage and Simpson in his first finals series as coach had a down day - not too concerned, if a trend emerges I'm sure the club will make the decisions required to secure our 4th flag.

Drop Darling?

 

[Scotland]

With St Kilda: 11 finals, average score 71.5
With Freo: 9 finals, average score 78.1
Overall: 20 finals, average score 74.5

Average winning GF score 2007-2015: 106.5
Number of GFs 2007-2015 which would have been won by a score of 74.5: 1 (2010 drawn GF)

2005 was won with a score of 58 and 2002 with a score of 75. Other than that you have to go back to 1968 for a GF that would be won by the sort of score a Ross Lyon coached side generally manages, but yeah Freo's gameplan is A-OK...

I don't know why people go on about Freo's lack of forward targets - Lyon had Riewoldt, Kozi and Milne at St Kilda and in half the finals they played they didn't even crack double figures in the G column.

What's that saying again about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

A lot of people overrate it as well. I'd say a good list can win a premiership without a good coach, but a good coach cannot do it with a bad list.

Saw an interview with Leigh Matthews where he was asked the key to coaching success. He said timing was critical. Walking in to a club with the right list at the right time was the key to his successes.

 

[Bicco]

Saw an interview with Leigh Matthews where he was asked the key to coaching success. He said timing was critical. Walking in to a club with the right list at the right time was the key to his successes.

It's very true. Even then you could be Coll v Bris, Geel early 90's, everyone v Hawthorn now and just come up against a better team(s). Hell, the ball could bounce the wrong way. Freo are drafting (apparently) for long term success, which they seem to be doing well. Weather this brings the ultimate success will come down to more than just a KPF, although that is definitely a piece of the puzzle missing right now.

 

[beta_condition]

Just like Clarkson didn't draft Franklin, Hodge etc.

LOL the only players that played in the 13,14,15 flags that were drafted out side the Clarko era are Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell(2013)

 

[MinerBoy]

If I'm being serious Ross has never had the best list in the league at his disposal...

EXACTLY

Who else would have taken those sides to grand finals? I doubt even clarkson

Actually inherited 2 pretty bloody good lists IMO.

 

[MinerBoy]

Unlike Clarkson, Lyon has never had the luxury of coaching a side that had multiple top 10 picks in his own tenure. As a head coach, he's never had the chance to secure (for instance) a Buddy/Roughhead draft double.

Reiwoldt, Kozi, Ball, Goddard etc... might not have recruited them, but inherited them.

 

[Ian Dunross]

LOL the only players that played in the 13,14,15 flags that were drafted out side the Clarko era are Hodge, Mitchell and Sewell(2013)

Clarkson personally selected Franklin, Lewis, etc? It was all up to him? Hawthorn don't have a recruiting department?

 

[Prudster]

?

It's a pretty dumb question. Does Clarkson have absolute power in building the list? No. Does he have a say? Yes. The decision to recruit guys like Guerra, Dew, and Gilham were heavily influenced by Clarko. He has a fair amount of input in our decision making regarding recruitment, what types we should be targeting, and how they fit into our ever changing game plan.

 

[salim malik]

Simpson will never ,ever win a grand final. His GF winning % is zero. West coast's average GF score under Simpson is 61 points. That will not cut it when the average winning score is over 100 pts. His teams cannot cope with pressure emphasised by Darling and Kennedy's GF performance where both suffered the s**t your pants syndrome. He persists with a vanilla undersized midfield that cannot defend and over saw a draft that failed to address that problem by selecting more vanilla mids. He continues to select a ruck man who cannot take a mark . If West Coast want to win a premiership in the next 10 years they need to lose their vanilla coach .

 

[Ian Dunross]

Just like Malthouse doesn't get credit for drafting Pendlebury - but credit for developing him, Clarkson doesn't get credit for drafting Franklin, Lewis, etc. But plenty of credit for developing.