Tairy Greene
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True but having 2 games in Melbourne in the first 10 would more than make up for it. Would be great for membership engagement.
Wonder which venue will get the customary washout? Seems to happen every year.Burpengary, Coffs Harbour and Gold Coast. Not too much travel during the Pre-Season which is nice.
There was a bit of discussion floating around a few threads on our chances for next season and also where our goals are going to come from. Thought I might start a new one to get it all in one place.
For mine I would be ok with next season if we got 10-12 wins and a percentage around 100. We're still young at either end of the ground but of course our midfield now bats a lot deeper and has more topline talent as well.
Just on the goals front, I can see goals coming from our midfield/smalls something like the below
Green - 40
Beams - 20
Zorko - 30
Rockliff - 20
Rich - 20
Hanley - 20
Christensen - 20
Mayes - 15-20
Taylor - 15-20
Aish - 10
Thats about 220 goals from our midfield which would pretty much equal our output in total from this year. If you then add in our tall forwards we should certainly be able to increase our goal output this season hopefully closer to 300 which would sit us about mid table. Now I know a few in that list would have to have seasons best goals but I see scope for that given we will have a much larger rotation of our midfield stocks through our forward line and should be winning a bit more ball than we did this year. Of course its not guaranteed but I certainly see scope for our scoring to improve significantly without having that 50 goal forward.
I know Collingwood fans are delusional, but gee you are pushing yourself up there with them. Not just a few who need to have seasons bests, pretty much every player on that list is going to kick more goals than they ever have before.
I understand you don't have a forward line, and so you have to invest your hope in your midfield, but if you think this is going to happen you are in for a disappointing time in 2015.
Right on.A few might not reach those exact numbers but as a general trend I don't think that's way out of the realms of possibility.
1. Yes most of them are going to have to have personal bests but given they're all around that 25/26 or under age then I'd be pretty disappointed if they all didn't have improvement in them. We're not talking about 28-30 year olds here.
2. In the last few years we've still been pretty shallow depth wise in our midfield, meaning our mids have had to play the majority of their games in the midfield. When they didn't we got smashed and the ball never got forward. We've certainly improved our midfield options therefore each player will spend more time forward of centre, and when they do we have better quality still there winning the ball meaning it will get forward more often.
3. If you had watched us in the second half of last year our gameplan was adjusted slightly to take advantage of quick ball movement and we kicked a large percentage of our goals from running into 50 with handballs. Given the makeup of our list I don't see this strategy changing, if anything we're probably going to go further down this path. That's going to create goalkicking opportunities for our mids and half forwards.
Obviously there will be injuries along the way and the numbers probably won't quite reach those levels. Some will go under some will go over but I don't think the final number of goals from our mids and smalls will be too far off. Will revisit and see at the end of the season I guess. If you're going to come on another teams board and then try to pick me apart at least provide some reasoning back the other way rather than simply saying "we'll they'll all need to kick more than they ever have before" and ignore all the reasons why i stated it was possible.
And finally don't sit there on our board and lump me in with some of the crap going on on yours. At least I took the time to put in a reasoned argument and outlined the thinking and reasoning behind my thoughts. Sure it might be a tad optimistic but its a heck of a lot better than some of the single line bullshit that's flying around over your way.
That list (after round 17) doesn't include Brown, who had retired by then, nor does it include guys who had been out and back in by then.Tom Cutler (groin) 2 weeks
Matthew Leuenberger (Achilles) test
Patrick Wearden (quad) 4 weeks
Brent Moloney (Achilles) test
Jack Redden (ankle) season
Daniel Rich (knee) season
Brent Staker (foot) season
Trent West (knee) season
Luke McGuane (knee) season
AFTER sending players to Arizona for the past three seasons, the Brisbane Lions have decided not to train at altitude overseas this pre-season. The club sent five senior players to Arizona in 2011, 18 in 2012 and the entire playing group, excepting those yet to be drafted, last season. Lions football manager Dean Warren told AFL.com.au that those trips had been successful but because of the changing list profile it was time for the club to take a different tack. "This year we're going to do it later and do it with the whole group when the whole group is together," Warren said. "[This camp will be] more around team building and leadership and giving back to the community."
The Lions intend to spend a week at Noosa from December 3-7 in a camp geared towards achieving team building rather than conditioning outcomes. Other clubs criticised the Lions' decision to travel to Arizona last season during the equalisation debate given their parlous financial condition. However Warren said in reality that trip was funded through corporate sponsorship and player contributions rather than money that would otherwise have improved the club's bottom line. He said that the main impetus for the first camp in 2011 was to give veterans such as Jonathan Brown and Simon Black something new to stimulate their training. "Arizona gave us a good kick start to the pre-season from a training and altitude point of view but it was probably just as important for us to provide a different training stimulus for our players," Warren said.
"Better the devil you know" is an idiom that might be occupying the minds of more than a few AFL list managers at the moment. Football clubs take many calculated risks over the course of a year, but perhaps none so obvious as the decisions taken in October and November. After a year's worth of intensive scrutiny of young talent, do they back their judgments on prospects likely to be taken only lower in the draft pecking order? Or roll the dice on players they've already watched go around for a rival at AFL level? It's no easy call, that between a kid with talent but still to prove he can survive the rigours of the AFL system, and a more seasoned player out-of-favour at his previous home but who has at least already done the developmental hard yards.
Carlton, for example, has jettisoned three players who'll all have some appeal elsewhere. The interest of the Brisbane Lions and Richmond in Mitch Robinson is entirely understandable. The Lions have, in one off-season, put together a midfield with some serious depth and talent via the addition of Dayne Beams and Allen Christensen. Add the return of Daniel Rich to the establishment of Tom Rockliff, Jack Redden, Pearce Hanley, Dayne Zorko, James Aish and Sam Mayes, and a player like Robinson becomes more icing on the cake, free to parade his bull-at-a-gate enthusiasm with far less pressure than he dealt with at times at Carlton.
The Noosa sessions I've observed have been uncomfortably hot, and that's just sitting on the sidelines!I am a bit surprised we haven't followed Port and gone for a heat rather than altitude approach. Brisbane is warmer than the southern states admittedly but even in summer the mornings and afternoons/evenings when most sessions are done warm rather than uncomfortable. A camp up in Cairns (GC territory admittedly) or Darwin would be a test and especially in Darwin I would expect it to be very well received.
It's actually not that hot in Dubai in December. It would be hotter(and more humid) in Brisbane to be honest. I think the Port heat training thing has been slightly exaggerated, it's more about training at a comfortable temperature(not above 30 degrees) with reasonably high humidity levels. You want to be able to make things uncomfortable while still being able to do a certain level of training.I am a bit surprised we haven't followed Port and gone for a heat rather than altitude approach. Brisbane is warmer than the southern states admittedly but even in summer the mornings and afternoons/evenings when most sessions are done warm rather than uncomfortable. A camp up in Cairns (GC territory admittedly) or Darwin would be a test and especially in Darwin I would expect it to be very well received.
Jack Redden says helloLooking at our 2015 best team; it's probable (barring injury which is highly likely if that makes sense ) that 6 of our best 22, when fit, will be either new to the club or returning from an injury interrupted season. Or both (Christensen). None played more than 12 games for the Lions this year, with none playing more than 3 games together in 2014.
That's a fairly high % for a young team.
The below list has a games average of 90 and includes 2 premiership players, 2 top ten draft picks, potentially the best ruckman in the AFL and player whose career is on the line next year:
Interesting.
- Dayne Beams
- Allen Christensen
- Daniel Rich
- Stefan Martin
- Matthew Leuenberger
- Mitch Robinson
To me anyway.
A softly spoken helloJack Redden says hello
Jack Redden says hello