Senior Dons players questioned jabs in 2012 program

[compact72]

http://heraldsun.com.au/news/senior...-in-2012-program/story-fni0fiyv-1227289772267

The judgment says Angus Monfries — now at Port Adelaide — “recalled Mr Hird saying that they would be pushing the boundaries but it would be completely legal and state of the art”.

Another player recalled Robinson told the players that the program was like being on a cliff and going right to the end — but not over it.

The judgment also states the players were “directed to keep the program secret”.

Paddy Ryder, also now at Port, recalled: “It had to stay in-house because they didn’t want it getting out ... they thought that this would give us a competitive edge.”

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sounds worrying.

They should have requested the legality of the program and consented to it in writing.

The determination of ASADA and the foam brigade to cloud this week with crap that was known 18 months is incredible.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

wowee

 

[Glorious couch life]

I didn't think it was possible, but that article makes Spike look like even more of a tool.

 

[hoianbulldog]

I didn't think it was possible, but that article makes Spike look like even more of a tool.

It certainly indicates he was being generous with the truth.

 

[compact72]

So brave Hirdy

 

[fabulousphil]

Sounds like a team exploring every legal avenue to get an edge to me.

Next

 

[Satan]

The judgment also states the players were “directed to keep the program secret”.

Mrs Crameri says hi

 

[Satan]

Sounds worrying.

They should have requested the legality of the program and consented to it in writing.

The determination of ASADA and the foam brigade to cloud this week with crap that was known 18 months is incredible.

So what were the consent forms then?

 

[compact72]

They were so worried that they didn't study or google what was on the consent forms.

Yeah makes sense.

 

[lethalselbow]

Good to see McVeigh questioned it heavily. His version has changed so many times that it's hard to pick when he's actually stopped lying.

Good old Spike, hey...

 

[Moquo]

The judgment also states the players were “directed to keep the program secret”.

Mrs Crameri says hi

Mrs Crameri can blow me.

 

[DesertRoo]

It had to be so secret. It couldn't be written down, only handshakes were to be used.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Sounds worrying.

They should have requested the legality of the program and consented to it in writing.

The determination of ASADA and the foam brigade to cloud this week with crap that was known 18 months is incredible.

It's cool dude, Crameri's mum is all over it.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I didn't think it was possible, but that article makes Spike look like even more of a tool.

Leave 'im alone. Poor little 'Spike' hasn't had the chance to puff his little chest out at anyone for a while. So dudes like Rhiemers are the perfect chest puffing bait.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Mrs Crameri can blow me.

Careful man. She'd be Googling that s**t before you had a chance.

 

[theboxmike]

According to HTB on the edge = over it.

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

http://heraldsun.com.au/news/senior...-in-2012-program/story-fni0fiyv-1227289772267

So.... about those consent forms .... I wonder who put together something to such a blindingly, brilliant standard ...

"Prof Handelsman described the form as “alarmingly inadequate” because, among other reasons, there was “no description of what Thymosin is or what it does”, and that it “fails to provide sufficient information and adequate understanding of participation; no description of the manner or site of injection; no proper description of risks including listing of reported side-effects”.

He also noted “numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes indicating an unprofessional construction”. "



I'm holidaying at the beach this weekend, perhaps I should go sea-kayaking!

 

[RegHickeyStand]

The judgment also states the players were “directed to keep the program secret”.

Directed, by whom?

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

Directed, by whom?

Wasn't it part of the consent form that they signed - was confidential and couldn't be discussed outside the club?

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Wasn't it part of the consent form that they signed - was confidential and couldn't be discussed outside the club?

OK.

But "directed" sounded to me like someone told them verbally.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

According to HTB on the edge = over it.

Do you think it was responsible of Hird to take his players to the edge with drugs?

 

[theboxmike]

Do you think it was responsible of Hird to take his players to the edge with drugs?

I'm certain more than a few clubs were doing similar.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'm certain more than a few clubs were doing similar.

Yes of course. It's why there were so many clubs being investigated by the ACC and ASADA... derp.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

I'm certain more than a few clubs were doing similar.

In 2012 Essendon started out of the blocks like no other and on Big Footy at the start of the season there was a thread by an Essendon supporter boasting about the huge gains made by Essendon players. Ratten went berko that Essendon went right past them physically so much so that Carlton officials tried to prove that it was dodgy. Stephen Dank is the drug connection between rugby league and the AFL, and in particular Essendon. So no, I don't think it was widespread, and certainly not club sanctioned like Essendon.

Individuals acting outside clubs, yes. But not the entire playing list. Only Essendon.