Shock jock Michael Smith sacked for calling the prophet Muhammad a paedophile

[pokerspiv]

So, it went from a "Royal Commission into Gillard's actions", to, "she was a lawyer at the time".

She was the lawyer that created the fund that is under investigation. I am sorry these facts are inconvenient to rusted-on Labor supporters.

 

[pokerspiv]

The Royal Commission is a commission designed to find out exactly what happened. So everything is under investigation, including Gillard's role and whether or not she personally benefited from it. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.

So to spell it out for you a bit more clearly:

Gillard was a lawyer at the time, and one of her clients was the union. She allegedly advised/helped them set up the fund in the first place. As a kickback, she was allegedly paid sums around $7,000 for home renovations from the same union fund. The deal was allegedly organised by her partner at the time, which is why mentioning him is relevant, unlike Abbott's teenage relationship (that kid wasn't his BTW).

Hope that clears it up for you, although I'm sure you'll continue to pretend nothing happened.

 

[pokerspiv]

Um, the royal commission is a fact. The commission is still ongoing. I'm not sure how else to explain it.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Should we also mention entertainers like Charlie Chaplin, Elvis Presley and all four members of Led Zeppelin?

Most European monarch up to the 1750s as well. There was a good comeback in the Muslim press as follows:

in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris. Not only was there no uproar; there was considerable happiness expressed over the assumed probability that this marriage would end the Hundred Years War then in one of its periodic states of truce between the two kingdoms. Peace was to be ensured by joining together this man and this little girl in marriage.

"A social practice which entered the written record in the 12th century, but which seems to have had roots in the barbaric past, that extended from the royal abattoirs down to the lives of neighboring fishmongers and shop-keepers in medieval London, yet that seems to have received little more than passing notice in canon law beyond exhortation to limit it to age seven and ensure mutual consent of the parties ..... But still it is not even indexed in most contemporary discussions of medieval marriage and family life, from Barbara Hanawalt to James Brundage, GL Brooke to Frances & Joseph Giese, Ian MacFarlane to Georges Duby. It is not exactly passed over in their texts, when you read closely

" .... there is not a single book, not a single article, on the separate topic of medieval child marriage in contemporary scholarship, even where there are passing references in the middle of other discussions of medieval childhood, as in problems of medieval wardship.

"By 'child' in this context is meant a male or female human being above the age of 7 -- for either gender -- and below the age of 14 for males, and 12 for females. This follows medieval canon law, in recognizing these as the limits of infancy and puberty

"Thus, for example, when the Wife of Bath boasts of having had five husbands since the age of 12, she is not casting herself in the role of child bride, technically speaking, at least not in medieval terms. Lee Patterson's discussion of child marriage in Peter Beidler's lovely new edition of The Wife of Bath, is thus irrelevant to the present discussion, except as it relates to Richard and Isabel; Christine de Pisan, for example, was already aged 15 when she was 'given' to her husband, and therefore according to medieval definition an adult woman."


Rachelle Carter writes in Marriage in Medieval Times

"In the Middle Ages children were married at a young age. Girls were as young as 12 when they married, and boys as young as 17. The arrangement of the marriage was based on monetary worth. The family of the girl who was to be married gives a dowry,or donation, to the boy she is to marry. The dowry goes with her at the time of the marriage and stays with the boy forever (Renolds). After the marriage was arranged a wedding notice was posted on the door of the church. The notice was put up to ensure that there were no grounds for prohibiting the marriage."


In 'Juana the Mad of Castille' J.N.W. Bos writes:

"Queen Juana I of Castile (1479-1555) .... was born on November 6, 1479, as the second daughter of Queen Isabella I of Castile and King Ferdinand II of Aragon. At the age of 16, Juana was betrothed to Philip the Handsome of Austria (1478-1506), only son of the Emperor Maximilian I. For Philip the attraction to the beautiful, dark haired Juana (to the left) was carnal and little more, but Juana became totally infatuated with her husband ..... his life mainly consisted of feasting, drinking and chasing women - and he had no intention to change his philandering ways. For Juana, however, only absolute togetherness would do. She was too young and inexperienced to realise that she expected too much from a politically arranged marriage."


Now, marriages of noble and royal women were usually for political and dynastic consideration. So, at what age did a young noblewoman enter into marriage. In Italy the average age for marriage was 17; in France it is 16 ; and in England and Germany 18 yo was the average age - all for first marriages. (Source: “Medieval Households” by David Herlihy, Harvard University Press, 1985). However, the following examples are exceptions:

Bianca of Savoy, Duchess of Milan was married aged 13 (1350), and aged 14 when she gave birth to her eldest son, Giangaleazzo (1351).

Theodora Comnena was aged 13 when she was married King Baldwin III of Jerusalem (1158).

Agnes of France was 12 when, widowed, she was married to Andronicus Comnenus, Byzantine Emperor (1182).

St Elizabeth of Portugal was aged 12 when she was married to King Denis of Portugal and gave birth to three children shortly thereafter.

Caterina Sforza was betrothed aged 9, married aged 14, and gave birth aged 15.

Lucrezia Borgia was married to her first husband aged 13 and bore a son within a few years.

Beatrice d'Este was betrothed aged 5 and married aged 15.

 

[Malifice]

Most European monarch up to the 1750s as well. .

We should turn back those European boats.

 

[Lester Burnham]

in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris. Not only was there no uproar; there was considerable happiness expressed over the assumed probability that this marriage would end the Hundred Years War then in one of its periodic states of truce between the two kingdoms. Peace was to be ensured by joining together this man and this little girl in marriage.

Canon law decreed that such marriages should not be consummated until both parties were of age, at least twelve for a girl and fourteen for a boy. Or, as the Olde English saying goes "If there's grass on the pitch, let play commence".

 

[AM]

Gillard's involvement is part of that RC. She was a lawyer working for the unions at the time, was shagging a union heavyweight, and had her house renovated using funds stolen from union members.

Corrupt and incompetent, worst PM in Australian history.

Accuracy not your strong point then?

One of these days a public figure will come after a character who defames them. A pseudonym won't protect you. Nor will your ISP.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Canon law decreed that such marriages should not be consummated until both parties were of age, at least twelve for a girl and fourteen for a boy. Or, as the Olde English saying goes "If there's grass on the pitch, let play commence".

Imagine how horrifying that set up was for the poor young girl!

 

[medusala]

Most European monarch up to the 1750s as well. There was a good comeback in the Muslim press as follows:

Two teenage kids is a bit different to someone in their 40/50s and a 9 year old.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Two teenage kids is a bit different to someone in their 40/50s and a 9 year old.

There are heaps of examples of adults marrying kiddies in the European Monarchies

 

[medusala]

There are heaps of examples of adults marrying kiddies in the European Monarchies

Those Catholics eh Comrade!

NB love the avatar.

 

[evo]

NB love the avatar.

Me too. I was sorely tempted to get a Barry Goldwater avatar in response.

 

[blackcat]

Canon law decreed that such marriages should not be consummated until both parties were of age, at least twelve for a girl and fourteen for a boy. Or, as the Olde English saying goes "If there's grass on the pitch, let play commence".

I dont think it would be a wet wicket. WACA

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

If Jones or Laws said this would they get the sack

 

[Todman]

Shock jock Michael Smith sacked for calling the prophet Muhammad a paedophile.

By todays standards his is.
but 7th century nomadic arabic culture he wasn't.

But we live in the 21st century. Islam has a urgent need to modernise.

 

[skilts]

Such a pity he didn't call the profit a NTTAWWTter. He would be able to get a job on any commercial TV network in Australia were he to do this.