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Who do you think blues will take with 1st selection
Skippos why did you have Nick O'Kearney going that far back in your initial phantom, was it primarily a size sort of argument? Or do you think he has obvious weaknesses. Personally I rate him fairly highly got a lot of runs on the board.
I'm not a fan of undersized accumulators with poor disposal, and neither are clubs.
He doesn't really have any attributes which give him a point of difference to the other midfieldersThat is fair enough. Talent wise any pick after 20 odd would be a steal for any club that had the scope to fix up his disposal.
He doesn't really have any attributes which give him a point of difference to the other midfielders
and I certainly don't want our club to be taking him
If you enjoy my work - follow me on twitter as I regularly yap on about the draft there!
I'm back again this year - except six weeks earlier! You can find last year's effort here. As always, happy to answer/explain/justify any questions/queries/feedback/statements about anything draft related. Hopefully I can provide another new perspective on how things are shaping up. This is my seventh year following the draft and the third year I've followed it very heavily. I'm based in SA but try to expose myself to the Victorian and WA prospects a little each year.
I don't particularly like calling it a phantom as these threads have become so much more than phantom drafts - personally, the phantom/mock drafting is a chore that I find a little pointless; it's not like anyone on here has any inside information so we're likely to be worse than EQ/Cal Twomey et al at projecting how the cards fall. However, Last year my phantom draft statistically considered the most accurate of all the amateur scouts - with only EQ and Cal Twomey recording a better hit rate. That said, trust them over me if you're looking for mail on who your club will pick! My strengths lie with identifying the talent, not projecting where they will go!
At the moment it's just power rankings. I'll edit in a top 20 mock later this week and start gradually doing profiles over the next 2-3 months. Last year I rewrote each profile three times and I'd like to avoid that this year!
I'm currently working on developing a draft website which I hope to launch in the near future. It's not going to be like BFGN/Mad Monday or any of the facebook pages/draft columns you've seen, instead I intend to model it on the American NBA style draft websites - very content heavy but concise and user friendly with videos and images. Not as many articles and reports but more individual scouting pages and numerical ratings for different skills (which I intend to incorporate into this thread!) - which I think the general public find much easier to digest than a paragraph explaining strengths and weaknesses. If this interests you shoot me a message as I'm keen to involve a few interested parties in the development!
Index:
Post 1 - Power Rankings
Post 2 - Mock Draft
Post 3 - A+ Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 4 - A Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 5 - B Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 6 - C Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 7 - D Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 8 - E Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 9 - F Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 10 - Rookie/Fringe Tier Profiles (Work in progress)
Post 11 - Miscellaneous
Overview of the Draft:
Contrary to other draft followers, I think this is an excellent draft. If you're looking for a franchise forward perhaps it's a little weak, but in every other regard I think it's excellent. It's Vic Country's best crop in a long time and I'm particularly bullish about SA's crop. Last year I wasn't but this year I think it's their best in a long time too (as you'll see from the power rankings. It's loaded with them). The strength of the crop very much rests on whether my assessment of the South Australian talent is correct or not. If I've overrated them, then it reverts back to an average crop. If you're looking for key defenders, small forwards or any type of midfielder - this crop is stacked with them. If you possess a top 20 pick, you're very likely to get a great piece to work around. I think the top 20 are relatively even, with the 21-30 range being more like the late first round types of previous years. In terms of depth - it does drop off a little after 35-40, but it's still relatively deep and there will definitely be some gems to be found.
Power Rankings - Academies + F/S players are Colour Coded (Khaki is the new yellow!)
1. Jacob Weitering - VC (195.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Key Defender)
2. Darcy Parish - VC (181.0 cm, 73.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder)
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3. Callum Mills - NSW (188.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
4. Josh Dunkley - VC (189.0 cm, 85.0 kg - Inside Midfielder - Sydney F/S)
5. Luke Partington - SA (182.0 cm, 75.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder)
6. Matthew Kennedy - NSW (187.0 cm, 84.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
7. Rhys Mathieson - VC (185.0 cm, 79.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
8. Aaron Francis - SA (190.0 cm, 86.0 kg - Key Defender/Utility)
9. Jacob Hopper - NSW (186.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
10. Ryan Clarke - VM (186.0 cm, 84.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder)
11. Ben Keays - QLD (183.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder/Small Forward)
12. Darcy Tucker - VC (184.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Small Defender/Outside Midfielder)
13. Ryan Burton - SA (191.0 cm, 83.0 kg - General Forward)
14. Joshua Schache - VC (199.0 cm, 96.0 kg - Key Forward)
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15. Riley Bonner - SA (191.0 cm, 79.0 kg - General Utility)
16. Charles Curnow - VC (191.0 cm, 95.0 kg - General Utility)
17. Greg Clark - WA (193.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder)
18. Nick O'Kearney - VM (181.0 cm, 71.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder)
19. Jordan Dawson - SA (190.0 cm, 82.0 kg - General Forward)
21. Callum Ah Chee - WA (182.0 cm, 71.0 kg - Small Forward)
22. Brendan Dew - SA (181.0 cm, 72.0 kg - Balanced Mid/Small Forward)
23. Matthew Nunn - SA (181.0 cm, 73.0 kg - Outside Midfielder
24. Sam Skinner - VC (197.0 cm, 96.0 kg - Key Utility)
25. Harley Balic - VM (186.0 cm, 80.0 kg - Small Forward/Outside Midfielder)
26. Brayden Fiorini - VM (186.0 cm, 76.0 kg - Outside Midfielder)
27. Theo Thompson - VM (186.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
28. Stephen Tahana - SA (183.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Small Defender)
29. Tom Cole - VC (185.0 cm, 76.0 kg - Small Defender/Balanced Midfielder)
30. Kade Stewart - WA (180.0 cm, 70.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
31. Wayne Milera - SA (185.0 cm, 75.0 kg - Small Forward/Outside Midfielder)
32. Harry McKay - VC (200.0 cm, 85.0 kg - Key Forward/Ruck)
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33. Keiran Agius - SA (189.0 cm, 84.0 kg - General Utility)
34. Kieran Collins - VC (193.0 cm, 94.0 kg - Key Defender)
35. Ben Crocker - VM (185.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Balanced Utility)
36. Jade Gresham - VM (177.0 cm, 74.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder)
37. Bailey Rice - VC (184.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Inside Midfielder/Half Back - StK/Carl F/S)
38. James Parsons - VM (189.0 cm, 79.0 kg - General Defender/Midfielder)
39. Mabior Chol - QLD (198.0 cm, 78.3 kg - Key Forward)
40. Matthew Allen - SA (193.0 cm, 97.0 kg - Key Forward/Inside Midfielder)
41. Sam Weideman - VM (196.0 cm, 91.0 kg - Key Forward)
42. Hisham Kerbatieh - VM (177.0 cm, 77.0 kg - Small Forward)
43. Connor West - QLD (184.0 cm, 77.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder)
44. Andre Parella - SA (203.0 cm, 104.0 kg - Ruckman)
45. Bruno Laguda - VM (185.0 cm, 71.0 kg - Small Defender
46. Will Snelling - SA (176.0 cm, 75.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
47. Blake Hardwick - VM (181.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Small Forward)
48. Nate Dennis - QLD (201.0 cm, 87.5 kg - Ruck/Key Utility)
49. Lachie Tardrew - VC (182.0 cm, 70.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
50. Harry Thompson - VM (194.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Key Forward)
51. Dylan Smith - WA (198.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Key Utility)
52. Gach Nyuon - VC (198.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Ruckman)
53. Jordan Snadden - WA (190.0 cm, 79.0 kg - General Utility)
54. Nash Holmes - VC (180.0 cm, 74.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
55. Kieran Lovell - TAS (174.0 cm, 80.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
56. Kyle Presbury - SA (182.0 cm, 73.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder)
57. Harrison Cross - SA (184.0 cm, 77.0 kg - Small Defender/Outside Leaning Midfielder)
58. Thomas Cameron - VM (187.0 cm, 70.0 kg - Small Defender)
59. Will Combe - SA (182.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
60. Eric Hipwood - QLD (197.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Key Position Utility)
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61. Tom Bennett - WA (184.0 cm, 77.0 kg - Outside Midfeilder)
62. Mitch Antonio - WA (187.0 cm, 75.0 kg - Small Forward/Outside Midfielder)
63. Jack Agostino - SA (182.0 cm, 77.0 kg - Small Defender)
64. Bailey Rogers - WA (184.0 cm, 80.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
65. Jake Sushames - TAS (185.0 cm, 65.0 kg - Outside Midfielder/Small Forward)
66. Cameron Hewett - SA (189.0 cm, 76.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder/General Forward)
67. Tim Sullivan - SA (198.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Ruckman)
68. Karl Brown - VM (192.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Key Forward
69. Nick Dodge - TAS (182.0 cm, 80.0 kg - General Forward)
70. Chad Daniels - WA (182.0 cm, 83.0 kg - Small Forward/Midfielder)
71. Jack Watson - WA (191.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Key Defender)
72. Mark Quinn - SA (180.0 cm, 72.0 kg - Inside Leaning Mid/Small Forward)
73. Dylan Atkins - VM (199.0 cm, 88.0 kg - Key Utility)
74. Dylan McDonald - NSW (183.0 cm, 70.0 kg - Outside Midfielder)
75. Maris Olekalns - SA (182.0 cm, 72.0 kg - Outside Leaning Midfielder/Small Forward)
76. Kyle Broadwood - SA (195.0 cm, 84.0 kg - Key Defender)
77. Corey Wagner - QLD (180.0 cm, 71.0 kg - Half Back/Outside Midfielder - Brisbane Academy)
78. Isaya McKenzie - SA (181.0 cm, 72.0 kg - Small Forward
79. Hugh Haysman - SA (178.0 cm, 72.0 kg - Outside Midfielder)
80. Matthew Stillman - VM (181.0 cm, 78.0 kg - Outside Midfielder/Small Defender)
Others - Grouped by state, not ability:
Ryan Hearn - VC (197.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Key Utility)
Jake Lovett - VC (182.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Inside Midfielder - Melb F/S)
William Sexton - VC (175.0 cm, 76.0 kg - Small Utility)
Josh Minogue - VC (189.0 cm, 80.0 kg - General Forward)
Aidyn Johnson - VC (184.0 cm, 75.0 cm - Balanced Midfielder)
Kyle Galloway - VC (206.0 cm, 104.0 kg - Ruckman)
Yestin Eades - VC (183.0 cm, 80.0 kg - Small Utility)
Luke Sheppard - WA (189.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Small Defender)
Blair Della Franca - WA (198.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Ruckman/Key Forward)
Jesse Micro - WA (190.0 cm, 90.0 kg - Key Utility)
Marshall Jones - WA (188.0 cm, 84.0 kg - General Forward)
Levi Ridley - WA (183.0 cm, 74.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder)
Bryce Batty - VM (183.0 cm, 80.0 kg - Inside Midfielder)
Nick Pavlou - VM (174.0 cm, 75.0 kg - Small Forward)
Tom Wallis - VM (182.0 cm, 74.0 kg- Outside Midfielder)
Jordan Matera - VM (182.0 cm, 82.0 kg - Small Forward - WCE F/S)
Dan Houston - VM (187.0 cm, 83.0 kg - General Forward)
Jack Silvagni - VM (190.0 cm, 81.0 kg - General Forward - Carlton F/S)
James El Moussalli - VM (186.0 cm, 83.0 kg - Inside Leaning Midfielder)
Callum Moore - VM (193.0 cm, 85.0 kg - General Forward)
Luke Surman - SA (196.0 cm, 97.0 kg - Key Utility)
Mason Redman - SA (187.0 cm, 76.0 kg - Balanced Midfielder)
Harrison Westhoff - SA (197.0 cm, 85.0 kg - Key Defender)
Campbell Wildman - SA (189.0 cm, 79.0 kg - Small Defender/Midfielder)
Jock Cornell - NSW (186.0 cm, 81.0 kg - Small Forward/Outside Midfielder)
Matthew Flynn - NSW (200.0 cm, 99.0 kg - Ruckman)
Jordan Hayden - TAS (185.0 cm, 79.0 kg - Outside Midfielder)
Logan Reynolds - TAS (180.0 cm, 67.2 kg - Small Defender)
Great Post Skippo, quite a lot of insight very impressive! Just a few quick questions.
Watched Parsons play on Sunday and thought he had it on a string, any chance he could move higher up the order as the year progresses? Looked silky smooth and a perfect height that with time could form into a strong bodied mid (eg. Bontempelli).
Secondly, how much do clubs look at disposals efficiency when making draft selections?
And following on from that, seen a bit of Will Sexton from the Falcons lately and looks a goer! Strong bodied back flanker that uses it exceptionally well on both sides and makes good decisions, could you offer any insight on him and any other players that might fit that halfback/small-med defender type?
Cheers and look forward to your updates!
Hi! Unfortunately I'm not going to be much help. Haven't had the exposure to the Victorians this year that I had at this time last year - this will change over the champs and after when I get across to watch some TAC. My assessments are based on the ones I've seen footage of or saw last year. Parsons is one of those - he was a little patchy for mine but the upside was there; a rough around the edges type that could potentially mould into a solid piece. From what I saw last year, your assessment seems fair, he had the scope to really develop into that. Reads the play well and seems a very natural footballer with some good spacial awareness. I'll be able to refine my evaluation as I get more exposure.
With regards to disposal efficiency - it's very conditional. Footskills and decision making is integral however the pure efficiency stat is borderline meaningless. It doesn't consider the situation a player was under when disposing - likewise it rewards conservative disposals. Jackson MacRae in an afl sense is a classic example, his efficiency is decent but the majority of his disposals are uncontested outside chips sideways or backwards or long bombs deemed effective by virtue of going over 40 metres to a contest.
Jade Gresham is one that comes to mind. He registers solid efficiency numbers but doesn't do that much damage by foot by virtue of some overly conservative disposals lacking damage.
To me, efficiency is best judged by the eye and not a number. Players who can hit targets semi regularly while under serious pressure get real bonus points for me, as do players who demonstrate excellent decision making and vision by foot. Obviously clubs want skills with their draftees but they'll decide who's skilled using far more than just efficiency.
As for Sexton, I haven't seen him so will reserve judgement, sorry! He's one I'm keeping an eye on; if your assessment is correct he certainly seems appealing as a prospect. For that small defender role the obvious one is Darcy Tucker who should go very high. Riley Bonner a medium sized defender who plays smaller than his size who I'm very big on. Stephen Tahana as a disciplined small defensive minded defender. They Thompson apparently played well down back this week and is someone I'm bullish about. Bruno Laguda is someone I believe presents excellent value if you're looking for a player like that, and Harry Cross and Thomas Cameron are also players who could be available late and are ones to watch in that role.
If you want a key forward who isn't a stop gap you find them early or through alternative pathways. Look at this - I've listed all the forwards I can remember who are or were once blokes you could work with, not stop gaps. Pretty damning. None were 18 year olds selected after 43, and Goodes is an outlier with Tippett the next at 32. Darling only at 26 because of question marks regarding discipline too.
It's damming. If you want a number two forward who can ruck, you find them early too - and sometimes you've just gotta cut your losses and use your number one forward to do that, as Boyd bloody well can. Plenty of those busts above were number two forwards who could ruck. But those types fail, and there's no point picking someone to fill a need if they're increasingly likely to not make the grade.
In my phantom this year I intend to select kpfs early and that's it. The guys who are second round standard to me are actually late to rookie standard if numbers are anything to go by - you've what? Got a 5-10% chance of grabbing a Tippett or a Dawes? Not worth it. At this stage blokes like Allen, Weideman, Smith, McKay etc are all in that range where they're second round types but don't present value there. If, on draft day, none have proven themselves as first round types, then I don't see much point in them.
Adelaide: Walker (NSW scholarship), Jenkins (mature age), Pods (mature age)
Collingwood: Cloke (F/S)
Essendon: Daniher (F/S + high draft), Carlisle (#24), Hurley (#5)
Fremantle: Pavlich (#4)
Geelong: Hawkins (F/S), Clark (#9)
Gold Coast: Lynch (#12), Dixon (zone)
GWS: Cameron (pre list - 1st rd talent), McCarthy (#14), Stewart (#27), Patton (#1)
Hawthorn: Hale (#7), Roughead (#2)
North: Petrie (#23), Waite (F/S), Brown (mature age)
Melbourne: Hogan (mini draft), Dawes (#28)
Port: Schulz (#12), Westhoff (mature age)
Richmond: Ty Vickery (#8), Ben Griffiths (#20), Jack Riewoldt (#13)
St. Kilda: Nick Riewoldt (#1), Josh Bruce (zone)
Sydney: Lance Franklin (#5), Kurt Tippett (#32), Adam Goodes (#43)
West Coast: Josh Kennedy (#4), Jack Darling (#26)
Western Bulldogs: Tom Boyd (#1), Jake Stringer (#5)
Skippos just put Schache in for Brisbanes pick, especially after todays 8 goal haul. Not concerned about who or what his opposition was as 8 goals is nothing to sneeze at.
- Wayne Milera the big riser. The bloke's a star. Time stops around him, he works both ways and hard, he's composed, creative, smart, evasive - he really is the full package for that indigenous half forward that most salivate over.
Balic didn't move up? Any reasons thought he was really good in the first two champs games.
He was the only good forward for SA in the WA game. I was most impressed by his aerial skills and agility. I'd like to see SA give him some midfield minutes at some point in the champs to see if he has another string to how bow or even across the HBF.
Very early daysJust realised I went to primary school with and played with Bonner back in the day
Great write up Skippos, early days yet but given if the crows keep their first pick who do you potentially see being the most suited for us?
Very early days
Schache if he's there but he won't be. Likewise Tucker and Parish. Assuming it's aroumd 12-14 I'd be thinking Partington or Bonner. Parto the better player but probably not as good a list fit and bonner the better list fit. Ryan Clarke another who might suit.
Cole? Anymore thoughts on Tardrew mate?