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Honestly no idea, all I've seen of him was the VFL final when he tore us apart after Marsh went down.
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I rather VFL Mitch then WCE Mitch
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I reckon that's a problem, but I think having Nathan Brown a solid rock down in defence and as the leadership matures down there I think he'll be fine.
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I also think hes not looking super fit
But on the upside he can be everybody's friend
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Wearing a nice black and white tie so obviously he wants to be with us.
Not sure he's looking that fit though.
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Essndon will be upset then, lol
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I didn't actually catch much of it but will watch over next week or so.
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Do still think they'll do that?
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Really need speed for mine in this trade period along with some solutions for the forward half.
Freeman and Seedsman were players we had high hopes for and to get a couple of pick 20-30's back is going to make it hard to replace them. Greenwood, Pendles, Sidebottom, De Goey, Swan, Adams are all players who area a bit one paced. Treloar will solve it a little but he isn't blistering.
Also need to look at the forward set up and I am probably of the mind that Howe will be a good fix. I was pretty impressed with him when he played us. Really surprised we aren't all over him.
Freeman and Seedsman were players we had high hopes for and to get a couple of pick 20-30's back is going to make it hard to replace them. Greenwood, Pendles, Sidebottom, De Goey, Swan, Adams are all players who area a bit one paced. Treloar will solve it a little but he isn't blistering.
Also need to look at the forward set up and I am probably of the mind that Howe will be a good fix. I was pretty impressed with him when he played us. Really surprised we aren't all over him.
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no i dont think they would.. more upside in ryan than jack. and can play either end of the ground re. frost is a one dimensional leviathon.
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To be fair, the context was talking about him mainly as a defender. Schoenmakers is a spud defender. He's decent at playing the poor man's Nick Riewoldt role, though.
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3 area's we need to address.
Midfield - Outside Pace with Quality Ball Use and Kicking Depth (Isaac Smith Type)
Defence - Quality Running Half Back with Elite Ball Use (Birchall/Kolodjashnij Type)
Forward - Jack Gunston Type and/or Quality Small Crumbing Forward (Matera Type)
Midfield - Outside Pace with Quality Ball Use and Kicking Depth (Isaac Smith Type)
Defence - Quality Running Half Back with Elite Ball Use (Birchall/Kolodjashnij Type)
Forward - Jack Gunston Type and/or Quality Small Crumbing Forward (Matera Type)
Treloar has pace. has Aish got any ?
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Treloar has moderate pace, but i wouldn't say he is super quick.
Aish is a little one paced, he's not slow but not as quick as Treloar.
Totally agree Snoop. We will need to address losing that speed over the next year or two. We could also lose speed with BK too (if he goes to Dees).
Think we may have to look to the draft for speed, along with securing a dynamic crumber who can kick goals (something we've missed for a long time - no disrespect intended to Blairy). Fas and Jamie are great up fwd of course, but they like to get air born too much. Geez wouldn't Archee fill that void (I can only dream).
Obviously Treloar will help address pace. And although we probably won't be able to utilise any 1st Round picks in draft, we might have a couple in mid 20's .... We could look to pick up some early 2nd rounders (and hopefully sliders) to fill some of these voids.
I like Rylie Bonner (elite kick, runner - could develop into midfield/winger). Milera is another classy outside mid who might slide (and ease the pain of possibly missing out on Aish). Ryan Clarke perhaps (speedy type, goal kicking/good defensive pressure )?
OK... sure I would take Howe, no probs there. But I'd much rather take aim at a big scalp like an up and coming true KPF!
Obviously a long shot, but wouldn't a Tom Lynch (Suns) hit the sweet spot!
He'd be the type I would go hard on even though he's practically an untouchable. I think his contract comes up next year so my strategy would be to go after him with a sh1t load of cash! He's just about to turn 23 so he's ripe for the picking, kicked 43 goals in a very average team this year, is still developing and could simply slot straight into CHF/FF.
Hypothetically speaking... Let's just say he's open to offers cause his home sick and Uncle Rodney would have to let him go (at least they would get something for him before his contract comes up next year). Not sure what it would take to tempt him back to Victoria, maybe a 5 mil 6 year 800+ offer (yes, we'd have to back end his contract - but clubs have to take risks). Would also give us more versatility to free up guys like Reidy and Moore to go back into def and ruck.
Possible Trade scenario:
Treloar = 2015 1st Rd (7) & 2nd Rd (26)
Lynch = 2016 1st Rd, Seedsman (to Suns) & Saints - pick 24 (Freeman)
Possible Draft scenario: (secure speedy outside mid/half fwds)
BK = to Dees for pick 25 (hopefully)
Pies Rd 3 (pick 44)
And yes, I'm dreaming!
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If only Lynch wanted to come. That would be a very fair deal. Do you rate Sam Day or Brad Matera? I wonder if a swap of Matera for Seedsman would be possible.
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Let say we get picks for all these players then I suspect we are probably looking at;
# 22 Gold Coast for Paul Seedsman
# 24 St Kilda for Nathan Freeman
# 26 Collingwood - Our 2nd round
# 29 which Melbourne get from Port for Jimmy Toumpas and in turn to us for Kennedy
# 44 Our 3rd Round
# 62 our 4th round
we may even be using our 5th round or letting it roll over to a PSD or additional rookie selection or something. Makes me wonder if cutting Sam Dwyer wasn't a bit premature. If BK, Seeds and Freeman all want out our mid depth has just plummeted.
My preferences for players at moment would be (and remember some of these are just required for depth given 3 21 -23 yo's are going plus Dwyer);
OMeara - my mail is that he is being spoken about. Not sure how you would get it done but next year first round would be a starting point.
Still hoping could get the deal done for James Aish. Our first rounder next year or Oxley / Seedsman and a pick 22 would get close.
Jeremy Howe for mine is needed. We need that medium forward type player to work with Cloke and Moore. I reckon the pick 24 would get that done.
Quite like possibility of Brad Matera from Suns but think that is probably unlikely. Straight swap for Seedsman would deliver him.
Curt Hampton would be handy because of his pace but he isn't elite. I think that could be packaged into Treloar deal without much issue.
Matt Suckling which you would get for nothing and has elite kicking.
# 22 Gold Coast for Paul Seedsman
# 24 St Kilda for Nathan Freeman
# 26 Collingwood - Our 2nd round
# 29 which Melbourne get from Port for Jimmy Toumpas and in turn to us for Kennedy
# 44 Our 3rd Round
# 62 our 4th round
we may even be using our 5th round or letting it roll over to a PSD or additional rookie selection or something. Makes me wonder if cutting Sam Dwyer wasn't a bit premature. If BK, Seeds and Freeman all want out our mid depth has just plummeted.
My preferences for players at moment would be (and remember some of these are just required for depth given 3 21 -23 yo's are going plus Dwyer);
OMeara - my mail is that he is being spoken about. Not sure how you would get it done but next year first round would be a starting point.
Still hoping could get the deal done for James Aish. Our first rounder next year or Oxley / Seedsman and a pick 22 would get close.
Jeremy Howe for mine is needed. We need that medium forward type player to work with Cloke and Moore. I reckon the pick 24 would get that done.
Quite like possibility of Brad Matera from Suns but think that is probably unlikely. Straight swap for Seedsman would deliver him.
Curt Hampton would be handy because of his pace but he isn't elite. I think that could be packaged into Treloar deal without much issue.
Matt Suckling which you would get for nothing and has elite kicking.
Suns had a crap season on and off the ground... that's got to hinder some players development/performances so it makes their season a little harder to rate.
IMO both guys are cherry ripe atm... Matera might give us a little extra zip around goals. Think he's stats suggest he'd be pretty handy, somewhere around the Blairy level, but if he made the move I'd think he'd definitely improve at pie land.
I don't mind Sam Day, but from what I know of him and from looking at his profile/stats.. I'm not sure if he'll give us what we need over time, so I'm thinking we'd be better off lashing out and targeting a better quality KPF.
If we can't get that, possibly seek out a more versatile/agile 190+ cm outside mid/medium fwd until we can land a big fish. Possibly Howe? Who else is there?
I mainly agree with you. I'm just not confident that we'll get Aish and that our Top 4/GF assualt will happen in 2017, so I'm likely to pass on Suckling. I havne't heard anything on O'Meara, but would imagine that is unlikely this year and TBH, do we need him? So at this stage this is my realistically scenario to replace depth/speed that we've lost:
Trade:
1. Treloar = 2015 1st Rd & 2nd 2016
2. Paul Seedsman = Brad Matera
3. # 26 Collingwood = Jeremy Howe
4. Kennedy = Aaron Young ( BK > Melb > Toumpas > Port > Arron Young > Pies)
Draft:
5. Nathan Freeman (Saints # 24) = Rylie Bonner or Wayne Milera
6. # 44 Our 3rd Round
7. # 62 our 4th round
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Preferable and optimistic scenario:
Trade:
1. Treloar = 2015 1st & 2nd Rd
2. 1st Round 2016, # 22 (Gold Coast for Paul Seedsman) #24 (St Kilda for Nathan Freeman) & # 44 (3rd Rd) = a Josh Bruce (contracted to Saints til 2016) or a Tom Lynch (contracted to Suns til 2016)
3. Kennedy = Aaron Young ( BK > Melb > Toumpas > Port > Arron Young > Pies)
These 3 players would be in our first 22 starters. It leaves our depth short and doesn't leave much for Draft, but we need a KPF and Arron Young looks like he would buy into our culture after playing 2nd fiddle as a sub for Port for so long. Maybe we could take advantage of Rookie draft and bring in a couple of mature recruits?
C'mon.. shoot me down.
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I mainly agree with you. I'm just not confident that we'll get Aish and that our Top 4/GF assualt will happen in 2017, so I'm likely to pass on Suckling. I havne't heard anything on O'Meara, but would imagine that is unlikely this year and TBH, do we need him? So at this stage this is my realistically scenario to replace depth/speed that we've lost:
Trade:
1. Treloar = 2015 1st Rd & 2nd 2016
2. Paul Seedsman = Brad Matera
3. # 26 Collingwood = Jeremy Howe
4. Kennedy = Aaron Young ( BK > Melb > Toumpas > Port > Arron Young > Pies)
Draft:
5. Nathan Freeman (Saints # 24) = Rylie Bonner or Wayne Milera
6. # 44 Our 3rd Round
7. # 62 our 4th round
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Preferable and optimistic scenario:
Trade:
1. Treloar = 2015 1st & 2nd Rd
2. 1st Round 2016, # 22 (Gold Coast for Paul Seedsman) #24 (St Kilda for Nathan Freeman) & # 44 (3rd Rd) = a Josh Bruce (contracted to Saints til 2016) or a Tom Lynch (contracted to Suns til 2016)
3. Kennedy = Aaron Young ( BK > Melb > Toumpas > Port > Arron Young > Pies)
These 3 players would be in our first 22 starters. It leaves our depth short and doesn't leave much for Draft, but we need a KPF and Arron Young looks like he would buy into our culture after playing 2nd fiddle as a sub for Port for so long. Maybe we could take advantage of Rookie draft and bring in a couple of mature recruits?
C'mon.. shoot me down.
i think the first scenario works but I dont really understand the love for Aaron Young.
Re second scenario Saints won't budge on Bruce any more than Suns on Lynch. If Lynch demanded wanted home maybe but if memory serves he has resigned recently and or pledged to them.
Aaron Young as he's been bandied around.... and yes, definitely a wish list with KPFs.
OK how about...
1. Treloar = 2015 1st Rd & 2nd 2016
2. Howe = 26
3. Matera = Seedsman
4. Suckling = 29 (BK/Toumpas)
5. Aish = 24 (Freeman to Saints) & Oxley
Then goto draft with picks 44, 62 etc..
Or (if Aish stays at Lions)
1. Treloar & 2. Tomlinson = 2015 1st, 2nd, 3rd Rds & 2nd 2016
3. Matera = Seedsman
4. Suckling = 29 (BK/Toumpas 3 way)
Then goto draft with pick 24 (Freeman to Saints), 62 etc... and Rookie list Shane Yarran (instead of Howe)
Either way we'd have some of our run and depth back and with a couple of fwd options
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