Analysis Stadium deals - what, how, when - why we need a new one and the SA footy paradigm shift happening

[powermacs]

29000 members scanned in on Friday, first time ever I'd think members were getting directed to the southern/eastern stands. $1.9 mill spent over the bars in Friday, they almost ran out of beer. Probably explains why I feel so great now.

 

[LK Metro]

$1.9 mill spent over the bars in Friday, they almost ran out of beer. Probably explains why I feel so great now.

You are that thieving* grub Wee Licker?

* alleged of course

 

[mic59]

Was it more crowded earlier in the day. Lots of folks staying in my hotel arent going back due to the cold

Possibly. I don't think they count wusses.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The success of AO has shaken things up a bit re stadium and their deals it seems. The new Burswood Stadium still doesn't have a deal, Eddie saying scrap Docklands and build a new 60k stadium next to the G is about finding the sweet spot between stadium size and yield and atmosphere and collingwood getting a better deal there than at Docklands.

The NSW government wants to upgrade the stadiums in Sydney but there is a lot of politics involved and some of the NRL clubs want to stay at their home stadiums - because they know they get decent yields there as well as the ANZ stadium clubs have stitched up longer term big deals there. So the SCG Trust has been lobying to get the Sydney Football Stadium next to the SCG to get the licence share of the funding and its close to the CBD relative to ANZ and other clubs. The SCG trust has lobbied clubs from Manly to Cronulla and Souths ie basically clubs east of the GPo, but both Manly and Cronulla a long way north and south respectively to play home games at the SCG. The 4 clubs who still play at their own stadium want monies for their upgrade. The 3 who play most of their games at ANZ want the bulk of the monies spent there. St George play at both are happy to support both and Sydney Rooters want the SFS upgraded because its their home ground.

The_Wookie I wasn't sure where to stick this on the stadium boards and footy industry biard thread so feel free to take from here and put it where you think it fits best.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...z/news-story/0fa770316fed681c801c07402846d8f0

The SCG Trust’s desperate attempt to win over the NRL appears to be faltering after eight of the nine Sydney clubs distanced themselves from a move to a rebuilt Allianz Stadium — tipping the scales in favour of ANZ Stadium in the stoush to gain the lion’s share of the state government’s $1.6 billion stadium funding.

The Weekend Australian has spoken to all nine clubs involved in discussions over the future of Sydney stadiums and, in a setback to the hopes and dreams of NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres, none is willing to publicly throw its support behind plans to build a new stadium at Moore Park.

Canterbury and South Sydney have made it clear that their preference is to remain at ANZ Stadium, where both have long-term deals in place. Wests Tigers also have a deal in place to play games at ANZ Stadium for the next seven years, although that number is likely to increase in coming years as the club looks to shore up its financial future.

The ANZ cause was further boosted yesterday when Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull announced a fast train service from the CBD to the Badgerys Creek airport site. Sydney Olympic Park, which houses ANZ Stadium, would be one of the stops. “That has the potential to move thousands of fans from the CBD to Sydney’s Olympic stadium in under 10 minutes, and provide fast access to the stadium for the rapidly expanding population of greater western Sydney,” said ANZ Stadium managing director Daryl Kerry.

Manly and Cronulla, who this week were briefed by the SCG Trust on plans to rebuild Allianz Stadium, remain committed to their spiritual homes of Brookvale Oval and Shark Park.

Likewise Penrith, who want to see money spent on Pepper Stadium. It leaves the Sydney Roosters as the only Sydney club with an attachment to Allianz Stadium, although the Roosters are reluctant to support a brand new stadium when it would mean they were dislocated for at least two years.

After initially throwing their support behind a complete rebuild of Allianz Stadium, the NRL has been instructed by NSW Premier Mike Baird to consult its clubs before forming a uniform stance on the issue — former chief executive Dave Smith cut the clubs out of the equation when landing on a position for the game. ARL Commission chairman John Grant is expected to finalise a game-wide stance by mid-year, with the state government likely to lean heavily on rugby league’s advice before making a decision on how to split funding between Allianz and ANZ Stadiums......

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...z/news-story/0fa770316fed681c801c07402846d8f0

'Gus' Gould makes a good point about Penrith being so far out west that they dont want to play home games at Parramatta is closer to Bondi than it is to Penrith.

Penrith general manager of football Phil Gould remains hopeful the state government will look beyond the city’s three major venues — Allianz, ANZ and Pirtek stadiums — and consider spending more money further west

“There are nine NRL clubs in Sydney,” Gould said. “Eight are located from Parramatta back towards the ocean; one between Parramatta and Perth and that’s us, Penrith. Parramatta is closer to Bondi than it is Penrith. We are a long way out but we don’t see Parramatta as the ‘west’. We see Parramatta as the centre of Sydney.

“Our preference is to stay at Penrith. We look forward to the proposed new fourth stadium in western Sydney being located at Penrith.” The SCG Trust declined to comment on the progress of meetings with the NRL or clubs.

An artist’s impression of the proposed redeveloment of the SCG and Allianz Stadium.

 

[The_Wookie]

Cheers REH, was working on this already lol.

 

[chiwigi]

The success of AO has shaken things up a bit re stadium and their deals it seems. The new Burswood Stadium still doesn't have a deal, Eddie saying scrap Docklands and build a new 60k stadium next to the G is about finding the sweet spot between stadium size and yield and atmosphere and collingwood getting a better deal there than at Docklands.

The NSW government wants to upgrade the stadiums in Sydney but there is a lot of politics involved and some of the NRL clubs want to stay at their home stadiums - because they know they get decent yields there as well as the ANZ stadium clubs have stitched up longer term big deals there. So the SCG Trust has been lobying to get the Sydney Football Stadium next to the SCG to get the licence share of the funding and its close to the CBD relative to ANZ and other clubs. The SCG trust has lobbied clubs from Manly to Cronulla and Souths ie basically clubs east of the GPo, but both Manly and Cronulla a long way north and south respectively to play home games at the SCG. The 4 clubs who still play at their own stadium want monies for their upgrade. The 3 who play most of their games at ANZ want the bulk of the monies spent there. St George play at both are happy to support both and Sydney Rooters want the SFS upgraded because its their home ground.

The_Wookie I wasn't sure where to stick this on the stadium boards and footy industry biard thread so feel free to take from here and put it where you think it fits best.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...z/news-story/0fa770316fed681c801c07402846d8f0


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...z/news-story/0fa770316fed681c801c07402846d8f0

'Gus' Gould makes a good point about Penrith being so far out west that they dont want to play home games at Parramatta is closer to Bondi than it is to Penrith.




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An artist’s impression of the proposed redeveloment of the SCG and Allianz Stadium.

Will only be viable if the Bunnies agree to move there, upgrading just for the Roosters would be a huge waste.

The geographical spread of the Rabbitohs support means ANZ is better unfortunately. Even though Allianz is in our zone (kinda).

 

[Kwality]

The need for stadiums to lock in games is financially desirable but it does come with limits to the ability of the codes when it comes to fixturing.

Reflecting on recent years a good example is Subi locking in a rugby international at a time when AFL might want/need to fixture a final. We had Eddie telling all & sundry, AFL must have priority ....

Perhaps its time the codes combined to make the stadiums compete for product. Where is the MCG without AFL footy, Adelaide Oval without footy etc. The codes need to be careful signing long term deals.
Yes, I do understand you can argue the reverse case, the stadium managements should/do control fixturing ...

 

[El_Scorcho]

Perhaps its time the codes combined to make the stadiums compete for product. Where is the MCG without AFL footy, Adelaide Oval without footy etc. The codes need to be careful signing long term deals.
Yes, I do understand you can argue the reverse case, the stadium managements should/do control fixturing ...

Totally agree about this.

When we were having the issues 10-15 years ago with the MCG and playing a certain amount of finals there, I was absolutely staggered that somehow the MCG had football over a barrel with some decades long deal given that football is the MCG's biggest tenant by so much it's not funny.

Keep the deals shorter and use the fact that footy is by far the biggest spectator sport in the country to our advantage.

 

[Kwality]

Totally agree about this.

When we were having the issues 10-15 years ago with the MCG and playing a certain amount of finals there, I was absolutely staggered that somehow the MCG had football over a barrel with some decades long deal given that football is the MCG's biggest tenant by so much it's not funny.

Keep the deals shorter and use the fact that footy is by far the biggest spectator sport in the country to our advantage.

Scorching .... so true !!

I question the arms length independence of the Melbourne establishment at the highest level in both the MCC & the AFL as it stands today.

The MCC have form going back to the VFL needing to develop Waverley in the 1960s. The AFL need to treat them warily, 25% of available seating at a footy match is beyond the pale, gross!

How about the MCC trying to get a share of the TV rights
In 1998 the AFL and the MCC were at loggerheads as the MCC stated that it had the right to determine who broadcast what from their facility. This came about when the MCC objected to the use of virtual signage by the Australian Rugby Union for a Bledisloe Cup match.

As a result, the MCC determined that it, and it alone, could determine what broadcasters could enter the stadium, regardless of deals and arragements sports had made. The MCC was widely quoted as saying it did not recognise the AFLs exclusive arrangements and intended to enter the broadcast rights arena from 2001.

The AFL, according to the 1998 Annual Report, called the posturing absurd, believing it to be without foundation, given the AFL had broadcast from the stadium for 40 years without this issue coming up.

In 2000, after extensive negotiations, the AFLs 2000 Annual Report notes that the MCC were still demanding a share of broadcast revenue.

The AFL estimated that between 70 and 80% of all revenue at the MCG was generated from the AFL in 1998, and that its fixturing at the MCG had allowed the MCGs Southern Stand to be paid off 8 years ahead of schedule.
http://www.worldofwookie.com/footywiki/index.php/Media_Rights#The_MCC_and_TV_Rights

 

[Papa G]

The MCC, AFL and the Victorian state government are all in bed together. Sure there may be a bit of posturing from time to time, but they all have mutual benefits to protect.

 

[The_Wookie]

Totally agree about this.

When we were having the issues 10-15 years ago with the MCG and playing a certain amount of finals there, I was absolutely staggered that somehow the MCG had football over a barrel with some decades long deal given that football is the MCG's biggest tenant by so much it's not funny.

The Victorian Government of the day was prepared to legislate to protect the G - threatened to force the Grand Final to remain at the G whether the VFL wanted it or not in 1984. There just wasnt the money in football to effectively blackmail the MCC.

Keep the deals shorter and use the fact that footy is by far the biggest spectator sport in the country to our advantage.

Shortage of stadiums. Governments build them, not the AFL, and until that changes, theres almost no bargaining chips to wave around. This is particuarly true in Adelaide, Brisbane, Sydney and Perth, and currently so in Melbourne.

Oakley wanted an MCG compromise - the AFL wanted to just rent the stadium out in full (like is done for major events) but the Government said no of all things - and was kind of held over a barrel by John Cain who was prepared to use legislation to protect the MCG in 1984. I think he caved way to easily in 1989 though when they wanted help with the Southern Stand.

By the time the Southern stand was paid off, the Northern Stand was due for redevelopment, and the AFL went along with that too. Quite why they more or less committed to paying the 400 million off for the MCC instead of asking why they werent just paying off their own debt for their own stadium is beyond me at times.

 

[Kwality]

State Governments of any colour have long supported the MCC over either cricket or footy.

In the past couple of days I've heard the MCC CEO Mr Gough again refer to the ground as 'for all Victorians' - what rubbish, its for the MCC members benefit. Will any media type ever ask why Gough feels it necessary to run this charade other than to pull the wool over sports lovers.

Back to the issue in hand, lets hope the AFL stays out of negotiations in Perth.

 

[The_Wookie]

Back to the issue in hand, lets hope the AFL stays out of negotiations in Perth.

They wont. The Government will need a guarantee that matches go ahead there, and only the AFL can give that.

 

[Kwality]

They wont. The Government will need a guarantee that matches go ahead there, and only the AFL can give that.

Then lets hope their inept performance record isn't repeated. Fat chance I know, and this administration are as bad as ever.

 

[The_Wookie]

Then lets hope their inept performance record isn't repeated. Fat chance I know, and this administration are as bad as ever.

Short of playing at Subiaco, they dont have a lot of cards to play. No one would believe it if they said screw it we'll take the games to Adelaide or play them on suburban WA grounds.

 

[Kwality]

Short of playing at Subiaco, they dont have a lot of cards to play. No one would believe it if they said screw it we'll take the games to Adelaide or play them on suburban WA grounds.

Sure that's the end game but there are lots of moving parts in addition to term, e.g catering, dining, pourage, stadium membership rights, seating, corporate areas - as an example consider the AFL signing up forever on the Grand Final for peanuts, accepting the MCC right to 25% of the seating at Grand Finals - did the AFL get value for money, is it value ongoing?

What sort of guarantee/agreement did the WAFC get before committing to leave Subi.

I'd hope the WAFC is picking the brains of the SANFL just as there is almost certainly Govt to Govt contact SA/WA.

 

[Nelso]

Report on Channel Nine news coming up in the next 20 minutes about how the prices of food and drink are going to skyrocket this year at Adelaide Oval.

Screw those campaigners. I will not be spending one cent inside the ground.

 

[Grave Danger]

Report on Channel Nine news coming up in the next 20 minutes about how the prices of food and drink are going to skyrocket this year at Adelaide Oval.

Screw those campaigners. I will not be spending one cent inside the ground.

Skyrocketing? Maybe the gourmet hot dogs; the rest just slightly more exorbitant:


2015 v 2016 food and drink prices

GOURMET HOT DOGS

Start from $7, to $7.50

PIES

$5.20 to $5.30

HAHN SUPER DRY

$8.80 to $8.90

SOFT DRINK

$5.30 to $5.40

HOT CHIPS

$5 (no increase)

WATER

$5 (no increase)

COFFEE

$4.50 (no increase)

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...211ff43d201eeb593308a88fb#load-story-comments

 

[Doctor Feel]

Report on Channel Nine news coming up in the next 20 minutes about how the prices of food and drink are going to skyrocket this year at Adelaide Oval.

Screw those campaigners. I will not be spending one cent inside the ground.

lol who even cares, the food there is complete rubbish and there is plenty of food available outside from all sorts of places. Anyone with half a ******* brain just wont buy there and will adjust their game day routines accordingly.

WHY IS COFFEE CHEAPER THAN ******* WATER?

 

[raman]

lol who even cares, the food there is complete rubbish and there is plenty of food available outside from all sorts of places. Anyone with half a ******* brain just wont buy there and will adjust their game day routines accordingly.

WHY IS COFFEE CHEAPER THAN ******* WATER?

It isn't, unless you're dumb enough to buy it by the bottle.

 

[Doctor Feel]

It isn't, unless you're dumb enough to buy it by the bottle.

Just do what the indian cricket fans do, and binge straight from the toilet taps, lel.
Or do you know...the normal thing of asking the bar for water.

 

[Magus]

Gonna have a few beers just before the bridge, then at the GDV, the sneak my bottle of coke/bourbon mix in with me.

EADSMA

 

[Kwality]

You can also support your club on match day, look at it as a donation, it feels better than a rip off.

 

[Doctor Feel]

You can also support your club on match day, look at it as a donation, it feels better than a rip off.

...Um

You know, if any money went to Port at all, sure. I don't quite think you understand Port's stadium deal situation.

 

[Nelso]

You can also support your club on match day, look at it as a donation, it feels better than a rip off.

I do support my club on match day at the Gameday village