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Also, does anyone have a list of instances where a goal after the siren has been kicked to a) win a game b) draw a game?

Much appreciated.

EDIT: Found a list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kicks_after_the_siren_in_Australian_rules_football

I notice Hickey and Wells are mentioned above, but not officially in the AFL Record.

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Going by this report in The Age, Wells instance should be removed as it seems his kick occurred before siren sounded:
http://news.google.com.au/newspapers?id=4T9VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gpQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6185,7470182
 

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Just copying and pasting a post i made in the St.K/Freo upset thread which was probably overlooked (or at least brings up a question for those older fans)...

One for RTB....(although i'm guessing you'd have been a little tacker like me in '72) that Rd 13 game in 1972 where Geelong, not long after starting the year 0-10 win their third successive game with a thumping win over Richmond who had won 9 games to that point. 168-92. I think that was Geelong's biggest score for the 70s' to be frank, and it seems a remarkable result. I must say though, the Tigers had a percentage of only 102.6% after that defeat, and even by season's end, and going 18-4, a percentage of just 117.7 seems pretty low for that. Maybe that foretold the defensive issues that led to Carlton's huge score in that year's GF.

And on a statistical bent, would the Tiger's 117.7 percentage for an 18-4 be the lowest for any team of 18 or more wins?

In the context of upsets and given the magnitude of Geelong's score, it was a remarkable result in 1972.
 
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I see you now have a DOB for both Charlie Johns(t)on and Jack Johnston on your website.

http://demonwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Charlie Johnson
http://demonwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Jack Johnston

Last I heard (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stats-questions.982511/page-114#post-29318180) these were among just 6 DOB not known to the AFL, I see AFL Tables still doesn't have them, so I'm curious as to whether you have recently had these confirmed from somewhere?

These came from Col Hutchison at the AFL. Must have been a new discovery since the last time the "not known" list went around. He also said that the 'official' record of the name being Johnston was incorrect and it should be Johnson. This reminds me that I need to go in and rename Jack as well.
 
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I see you now have a DOB for both Charlie Johns(t)on and Jack Johnston on your website.

http://demonwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Charlie Johnson
http://demonwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Jack Johnston

Last I heard (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stats-questions.982511/page-114#post-29318180) these were among just 6 DOB not known to the AFL, I see AFL Tables still doesn't have them, so I'm curious as to whether you have recently had these confirmed from somewhere?

I wonder where the ref to Charlie and Jack being brothers comes from ?

When Charlie's father died at the end of October 1909, the local Bedigo paper published an obituary a few days later.
C is mentioned as a son but there is no mention of a J or Jack or John.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89884326
 
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I wonder where the ref to Charlie and Jack being brothers comes from ?

When Charlie's father died at the end of October 1909, the local Bedigo paper published an obituary a few days later.
C is mentioned as a son but there is no mention of a J or Jack or John.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89884326

The article states that Johnson snr was born in London "in 1845," not 1815. I concede that the type is quite faint but the 4 can be seen by zooming the article to 100% size.
Also the death notice on page 6 of the same paper gives his age as 64:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89884355
 

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The article states that Johnson snr was born in London "in 1845," not 1815. I concede that the type is quite faint but the 4 can be seen by zooming the article to 100% size.
Also the death notice on page 6 of the same paper gives his age as 64:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89884355
That certainly had me very confused for a while, then I zoomed it enough to make me conclude that it had to be 1845! I don't know where the reference to the two Johnson's being brothers comes from at all.

The AFL's Col Hutchinson was in no doubt about it a couple of years back, saying this in the Football Record article titled Men of Mystery:- "The brothers made their debut in round three, 1907, for Melbourne after coming from the Bendigo area." I'm not sure if any new information has come to light (apart from their DOB) since then. Have you read somewhere that this is meant to be the same family, and that the man who died was the father of (at least) Charlie (who played for Melbourne)?
 
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That certainly had me very confused for a while, then I zoomed it enough to make me conclude that it had to be 1845! I don't know where the reference to the two Johnson's being brothers comes from at all.

The AFL's Col Hutchinson was in no doubt about it a couple of years back, saying this in the Football Record article titled Men of Mystery:- "The brothers made their debut in round three, 1907, for Melbourne after coming from the Bendigo area." I'm not sure if any new information has come to light (apart from their DOB) since then. Have you read somewhere that this is meant to be the same family, and that the man who died was the father of (at least) Charlie (who played for Melbourne)?

updating with some more research news...
remembering that the 1909 death notice lists the person as
Robert D.B. Johnson who died at 342 Barnard Street Bendigo...


Charlie Johnson born 1875 Sandhurst, Sandridge, Victoria reg no. 25733
father - Robert Johnson
mother - Elizabeth Lee

Charlie Johnson died 1950 Ivanhoe Victoria reg no. 9798
father - Daniel Benjamin Robt
mother - Eliz Lee


the 1914 electoral roll has a Charlie Johnson listed as a teacher living at 342 Barnard Street, Bendigo. Others by surname of Johnson listed as same address are Alice, Blanche and Elizabeth.

The 1909 electoral roll for Echuca has Charlie Johnson listed as a teacher and living at Timmering.

The 1949 electoral roll for Batman (subdiv Ivanhoe) has a Charlie Johnson listed at Merton St Ivanhoe and listed as a teacher. The online copy shows his entry crossed through with a black line and a handwritten notaion at the end of it "dead 2/11/50."

Birth & death dates for Charlie match what is on the Demons site, so confirmation of the personal detail I suppose, but perhaps not yet absolute confirmation that he is the player we are after.
 

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I know we had this question before, be impossible to find it.

Rockliff and Hanley had 92 possessions between them against the Suns.

Where does that rank for most possessions by two teammates in the same game?
 

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I know we had this question before, be impossible to find it.

Rockliff and Hanley had 92 possessions between them against the Suns.

Where does that rank for most possessions by two teammates in the same game?

Top few are

94 Montagna 47 Steven 47 2013 R23
92 Rockliff 47 Hanley 45 2014 R18
92 Price 52 W.Richardson 40 1971 R4
87 Williams 53 Mitchell 34 1989 R19
87 Kelly 44 Abernethy 43 1983 R3
87 W.Richardson 47 Tuddenham 40 1971 R14
86 Camporeale 45 Bradley 41 2000 R6
85 W.Richardson 45 Tuddenham 40 1971 R1
85 Priddis 45 Kerr 40 2008 R14
84 McDermott 42 McGuinness 42 1992 R23
84 Wells 48 Nettlefold 36 1980 R13

Best involving Ablett jnr is 82.
 

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Top few are

94 Montagna 47 Steven 47 2013 R23
92 Rockliff 47 Hanley 45 2014 R18
92 Price 52 W.Richardson 40 1971 R4
There you go, Round 23 last year.
Have any two team mates ever amassed more than 94 possessions in a game as Jack Steven and Leigh Montagna did today? If not what is the next highest, I'd be surprised if the next best was over 85.
 

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Has there ever been a HA round where all games were won by the team lower on the ladder before the round started? (I acknowledge round 1 might be a little difficult to gauge, but ideally it would be based on the previous year's finishing positions).

This week there were 6 (from the 9 games).
 

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Has there ever been a HA round where all games were won by the team lower on the ladder before the round started? (I acknowledge round 1 might be a little difficult to gauge, but ideally it would be based on the previous year's finishing positions).

This week there were 6 (from the 9 games).

The last time was 1975 Round 20 (6 games).

Others were 1957 R4 (6), 1938 R2 (6), 1923 R10 (4), 1920 R2 (4), 1917 R9 (3), 1916 R5 (2), 1909 R6 (5), 1907 SR1 (4), 1907 R9 (4), 1907 R3 (4), 1905 R8 (4).
 

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In last night's game at Subiaco, it was mentioned that Chris Judd had polled the equal most Brownlow votes at the ground (78). Since 1984, what would be the record for the MCG?
It would be interesting to read records for any other grounds any of you can be bothered researching, considering 1984 takes us back to the era of all the Melbourne suburban grounds.
 

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113	  Dane Swan							   M.C.G.
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094	  Brent Harvey							Docklands
090	  Michael Voss							Gabba
089	  Matthew Richardson					  M.C.G.
087	  Lenny Hayes							 Docklands
085	  Sam Mitchell							M.C.G.
085	  Andrew McLeod						   Football Park
084	  Mark Ricciuto						   Football Park
082	  Nick Riewoldt						   Docklands
078	  Daniel Kerr							 Subiaco
078	  Chris Judd							  Subiaco
077	  Ben Cousins							 Subiaco
076	  Wayne Carey							 M.C.G.
075	  Peter Bell							  Subiaco
075	  Matthew Knights						 M.C.G.
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063      Paul Kelly                              S.C.G.
063      John Platten                            Waverley Park
061      Garry Hocking                           Kardinia Park
042      Tony Lockett                            Moorabbin Oval
040      Gary Ablett                             Carrara
035      Doug Hawkins                            Western Oval
033      Simon Madden                            Windy Hill
032      Sam Mitchell                            York Park
029      David Cloke                             Victoria Park
019      Peter Matera                            W.A.C.A.
019      Adam Goodes                             Stadium Australia
011      Adam Goodes                             Manuka Oval
009      Travis Boak                             Marrara Oval
007      Callan Ward                             Sydney Showground
006      Gary Ablett                             Cazaly's Stadium
005      Richard Osborne                         Junction Oval
005      Matthew Dundas                          North Hobart
005      Andrew Swallow                          Bellerive Oval
003      Ted Richards                            Wellington
003      Luke Shuey                              Blacktown
003      Doug Hawkins                            Arden St
003      Chris Waterman                          Bruce Stadium
003      Brent Moloney                           Adelaide Oval
 
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Paul.

Got a few suggestions/questions/ideas for your website.
What about, for each player's page, their points for and against and their average points for and against?

I'm sure that there are players from the '70's and '80's who've averaged say a winning score of 110 and conceded say a score of 88 per game.

Also, with your Big Lists, what about including behinds kicked as well?
 
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That certainly had me very confused for a while, then I zoomed it enough to make me conclude that it had to be 1845! I don't know where the reference to the two Johnson's being brothers comes from at all.

The AFL's Col Hutchinson was in no doubt about it a couple of years back, saying this in the Football Record article titled Men of Mystery:- "The brothers made their debut in round three, 1907, for Melbourne after coming from the Bendigo area." I'm not sure if any new information has come to light (apart from their DOB) since then. Have you read somewhere that this is meant to be the same family, and that the man who died was the father of (at least) Charlie (who played for Melbourne)?

They are listed in an article about related players in an old club newsletter as being brothers but we had the wrong 1915 coach in the record books for about 90 years so I don't believe absolutely everything!
 

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They are listed in an article about related players in an old club newsletter as being brothers but we had the wrong 1915 coach in the record books for about 90 years so I don't believe absolutely everything!
It really looks as if someone just assumed that they were brothers, because they had the same last name, came from Bendigo and started with Melbourne at the same time, and that it's been accepted as fact ever since. The revelations of the croucher suggest it's extremely unlikely. The 12 year age gap between the two doesn't help either.
 

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I am curious as to which teams currently have gone the longest without winning or losing a game by 100 points or more.

I can't recall the Sydney Swans losing by a century since losing to St Kilda by 101-points at the MCG in 1998, but will stand corrected on this. I also don't remember Melbourne winning by more than 100-points in a decade since thrashing Carlton by 105-points in 2004.

Please advise if you know the answer.
 

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What's the highest margin a team's led by only to win by under 100?

There was an interesting game in Round 19 1985. Carlton led Richmond by 112-points, 22.10-142 to 3.12-30, then allowed the Tigers to score 8.2 to 1.5 in the final term, the Tigers reducing the margin to 73-points at the final siren. There are numerous cases of sides with huge 3/4 time leads slacking off in the final term, but this looks one of the more extreme.
 

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Paul.

Got a few suggestions/questions/ideas for your website.
What about, for each player's page, their points for and against and their average points for and against?

I'm sure that there are players from the '70's and '80's who've averaged say a winning score of 110 and conceded say a score of 88 per game.

Also, with your Big Lists, what about including behinds kicked as well?
Those ideas have the advantage of appearing to be resaonably easy to do, so not out of the question.
 

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I am curious as to which teams currently have gone the longest without winning or losing a game by 100 points or more.

North took 921 games to win by 100, Richmond 955 to lose.

Code:
Without 100+ win
235 Melbourne                  20040509
203 Western Bulldogs           20060408
157 Brisbane Lions             20070728
083 Gold Coast                 20110402
073 Carlton                    20110710
061 Greater Western Sydney     20120324
048 Collingwood                20120804
040 St Kilda                   20120902
037 Essendon                   20130412
032 Adelaide                   20130519
025 Geelong                    20130802
023 Fremantle                  20130818
022 North Melbourne            20130802
013 Port Adelaide              20140419
010 Hawthorn                   20140509
009 West Coast                 20140524
008 Richmond                   20140531
007 Sydney                     20140608

Without 100+ loss
387 Sydney                     19980605
217 Hawthorn                   20050703
214 Collingwood                20050826
161 Carlton                    20070728
141 West Coast                 20080627
129 Essendon                   20090329
091 Fremantle                  20100827
075 Western Bulldogs           20110529
070 Richmond                   20110709
070 Adelaide                   20110731
066 Port Adelaide              20110821
052 North Melbourne            20120616
048 Gold Coast                 20120708
022 Melbourne                  20130803
013 Brisbane Lions             20140417
010 St Kilda                   20140512
008 Greater Western Sydney     20140601
007 Geelong                    20140606
 
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Anyone know how cd calculate elite players. Is it from vero stats? Supposed to be top 10% of position. But what are the categories. By my calculations westhoff is elite but i cant work out how monfries was elite at start of year
 
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