Yes i have to admit Tone boy has won his war in stopping the invasion from the north with minor casualties & he can now dress up in his Field Marshall uniform look at himself smugly in the mirror & proclaim loud & clear "Mission Accomplished"
Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)
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I am saying that if there is a skill shortage, we seem to have a problem with dealing humanely with the current group of asylum seekers.
Do we know what skills the genuine ones have? Why can't these people be quickly processed so that they can be released on 457 visas thereby killing two birds with one stone.
When you use the words organised crime, it is the boat owners that are the criminals not Asylum seekers!
As to the whole question of 457 visas, why aren't people as outraged that persons from overseas can be brought into this country for jobs where no skill shortage exists? No sure how you can exceed a quotas for shortages that don't exist in the first place.
Further to your point of business poor behaviour, Labor addressed this by trying to make it harder and Abbott and Co have now changed this yet no outrage.
Perhaps they have forgotten that unemployment is high especially amongst the young, how hard are employers looking within Australia. There is lot of information on this too.
The fact that many are using these visas to gain citizenships for themselves and families is wrong. Why are they considered more genuine than AS?
These attacks on 457 visas are just straight out zenophobic and racist. NSW Right created the issue as a cynical way to get back the vote in western Sydney and Gillard went along it. Coming from Labor it was nothing short of vile, the campaign was Labor's lowest moment in the leadup to the election and Julia Gillard's most shameful action of her prime ministership.
457 visas were/are legal and no different to the employer work visas issued in the UK, where the recipients can apply for permanent residence after 4 years and citizen 2 years after that. Both my children live in the UK on that basis.
To think that Maggie's family came here as legal refugees post war and here she is channelling Pauline Hanson.
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I love the fact I can turn up in Guinea, the Philippines, South Africa, Chile, Peru, Brazil etc and start up a business and have colleagues work there and create local employment.
I love the fact many of my friends completed their studies and found themselves working in the UK and traveling through Europe.
I love the fact my soccer team is filled with Peruvians, Brazilians, Irish, UK, American, Czech, Malaysian, Indonesian and Singaporean (oh and an Aussie).
I love the fact I can eat wonderful food from around the world and have it cooked in our restaurants by people representing the culture.
I love hearing foreign languages being spoken in the work place, on our public transport and in our bars.
I just don't get the racist element. Especially if it is driven by a Scottish union rep chanting Australian jobs for Australians. Don't get me wrong, I want our immigration to be sustainable and it needs to consider all sorts of aspects such as unemployment. But we shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot and give into racist policies.
Oh, and I am here from the luxury of post war immigration. I could be in the US (with the other side of my family) or worse still stuck in Czech or the Slovak republic.
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Maggie, I think looking beyond the issues you raise, you have a kind heart and just want to see a group of people seeking a better life have that opportunity.
There is nothing wrong with that and that is a noble position.
Where the stance gets difficult for policy makers, is life is not that simple and they have to take into account many competing factors (and many of those can not be discussed publicly for a variety of reasons).
Addressing youth unemployment is extremely important as a constant concern which has not been addressed properly since I left school and probably a lot longer than that. The problem of long term unemployment is very similar issues as youth unemployment.
I blame two things being our culture which is not community orientated and social enough for my liking and the other is our education system.
Our education system does not teaches kids about life and how to fit in. As a 41 yo, I am still learning but have the benefit of 1 special but 10 in total mentors. Why don't our schools have a buddy system where kids have access to or can talk to businessmen, Phds, sporting professionals, religious leaders, government representatives etc.
These bonds can be there for life and can open doors or provide the guidance kids need.
This is not rocket science and this has been done very well by jews and chinese for centuries. Why don't we simply copy them and change our community and social spirit to a co-operative one.
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Should we start a tote for the number of boats arrivals each week and the number of clients of people smugglers on those boats?
I will go for zero this week
oh and for the avoidance of doubt, a boat arrival is where clients of people smugglers arrive by boat and end up in an Australian immigration centre.
I will go for zero this week
oh and for the avoidance of doubt, a boat arrival is where clients of people smugglers arrive by boat and end up in an Australian immigration centre.
So I guess that's a zero.
Our way of life is safe for another week.
why cant you answer the question?
I really want to see the Labor lackeys explain this.
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Anxiety over this policy stems from the way governments have deliberately and systematically dehumanised a group of people in the name of deterring others. The ends simply do not justify the means and it's not a party political issue, both sides support this policy.
What question?
Right oh i found it up above at post 3785, that's just Potts doing his cut & paste party trick.
Look at the thread title.
My question is quite relevant.
Waiting for Gough to accept the answer and then close the thread.
At least there were no murders in our gulags this week.....
Because it's all about saving human life right Liberal Party cheerleaders?
Because it's all about saving human life right Liberal Party cheerleaders?
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How many boats were turned back? Did we send anyone to countries behaving in a manner that is contrary to human rights? Oh wait on, we haven't started on poor old Cambodia yet, have we? Christmas Island-yep wonderful resettlement option.
How one can possibly see this sidestepping of the problem, and shoving it onto struggling or inappropriate countries as a victory is beyond me. What a grubby gov't indeed.
How one can possibly see this sidestepping of the problem, and shoving it onto struggling or inappropriate countries as a victory is beyond me. What a grubby gov't indeed.
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Exactly. And then during the next federal election he can post a campaign thread "Start the Boats Again - and tell us the moment they hit the horizon. Vote Labor and Greens"
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