Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

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Genuine refugees at centre of Manus unrest
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Refugee advocates claim up to 700 asylum seekers are on a hunger strike as unrest continues in the Manus Island detention centre.

Detention centre staff are rounding up ringleaders and placing them in a high-security isolation unit, the advocates claim.

The asylum seekers are protesting against the forced transfer of 50 men to a transit centre near Lorengau, Manus Island's capital, ahead of their eventual resettlement in Papua New Guinea.

The men were found to be refugees but fear a lack of security at the temporary centre will not keep them safe from attackers.

Dozens of protesters have stitched their lips together or swallowed detergent or razor blades, advocates claim.

Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul said up to 40 "riot squad" officers from contractor Transfield raided compounds at the detention centre and took protest leaders to the high-security isolation unit early yesterday.
He claimed officers also tried to force water down the throats of two unconscious protesters.

Mr Rintoul claimed the officers threatened to call in a special forces unit to deal with the detainees if they did not stop their hunger strike.

Detainees also had to burrow under fences to get bottles of water left on pallets, he said.

"Taking leaders hostage or using the riot squad won't stop the hunger strike protest," Mr Rintoul said.

He said urgent action was needed to prevent another tragedy after one detainee was killed during a riot last year.

Refugee Rights Action Network WA member Sally Thompson, who is in regular contact with detainees, criticised the Government for pushing asylum seekers to the brink.

bout 100 people attended a vigil organised by RRANWA outside the Immigration Department's detention centre at Perth Airport on Friday night in a show of solidarity for the detainees.

"The situation is appalling. Conditions are intolerable," Ms Thompson said.

PNG officials denied there was a raid, saying there was no such incident.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said the Government supported PNG authorities in responding to the situation.

"The Government is advised that a number of transferees have continued to engage in disruptive behaviour overnight," the spokesman said.

"The department has advised the Government that food and water continue to be available.

"However, normal services and supplies in certain areas of the centre have been affected by the disruptive behaviour of some transferees. Normal services are ready to resume in those areas as soon as the situation allows.

"Appropriate medical care continues to be provided to transferees who require or request it."
The spokesman said allegations reported by some media groups on Saturday that guards had beaten detainees were false.
 

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why do they have to dig under a fence to get water ffs
Because of the bad press the government would get if they used the water cannons. ;)

Seriously though why doesn't the centre have running water? It's not like we've done it on the cheap we've spent millions on it.
 
"Groups of asylum seekers have barricaded two compounds within the Manus Island detention centre and are not allowing staff to enter."

Also...

"They said they were being denied food and water and have sent photos of men burrowing beneath a fence to reach crates of bottled water placed just outside the compound."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...cade-compounds-at-manus-island-centre/6023812

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-14/manus-island-asylum-seekers-protest-png/6016126

So are they being denied food and water or are they are on a hunger strike? Which story are we sticking with?

Barricade entrances and then complain things can't get in and out. Full proof logic.
 
Seventh time now that YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANY EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO ARRIVE VIA BOAT ARE INCREASED SECURITY RISKS.

A number of UK asylum seekers have been involved in terrorism. It is hardly contentious to draw a link.

1200 assessed. Of them only 200 referred to ASIO for further assessments. Of them only 7 came back negative.
Considering the standard to come back negative is only 'suspicion of doing something' is that really a security concern?

Of course it is. These people intentionally lose their travel documents. How are ASIO supposed to work out if they are potential terrorists or not? Virtually impossible

How may Australians travelled to Iraq/ Syria of late? On what basis did they and their family emigrate to Australia?
 
There is a reason 'terrorists' always fly into a country lawfully, and don't enter via leaky boat with their children. Not only are terrorists far more sophisticated than that (see the 9/11 terrorists) it is simply much easier to do so. The vetting process is far lower, you have many more rights to review your case, you dont face mandatory detention, and you cant be simply 'refouled' back to where you've come from.

Easier? You have to get a visa and produce documentation. Illegal immigrants arriving by sea throw away their documentation and thus make it far more difficult for the authorities. Some of those in the Paris shootings were on a UK watch list.

Right of review? What right? They just don't get a visa/ get deported at the airport.

Illegal immigrants aren't refouled either. For someone who supposedly works in the area you seem very confused.
 
Easier? You have to get a visa and produce documentation. Illegal immigrants arriving by sea throw away their documentation and thus make it far more difficult for the authorities. Some of those in the Paris shootings were on a UK watch list.

Right of review? What right? They just don't get a visa/ get deported at the airport.

Illegal immigrants aren't refouled either. For someone who supposedly works in the area you seem very confused.

Meds, I can label anyone an illegal immigrant and not a refugee and then refoul them. Doesn't mean they're not refugees just because I say they're not.

And you're full of s**t. The percentage of 'unlawful maritime arrivals' that have engaged in a terrorist attack in Australia is zero.

In fact all attacks here, in the UK and in the USA have been either by citizens, or terrorist that fly in.

Don't let your prejudice or the facts get in the way of a good story though.
 

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I'll pass this one has been debated many times before.

The fact that it's incorrect is the most minor issue here. I mean who the * refers to a whole group of people as such a sickening word as "illegals"? Only the most cruel and psychopathic of people could dehumanise a group of people in such a way and think that the only thing that matters is whether the term is technically correct (which of course it isn't).
 
The fact that it's incorrect is the most minor issue here. I mean who the **** refers to a whole group of people as such a sickening word as "illegals"? Only the most cruel and psychopathic of people could dehumanise a group of people in such a way and think that the only thing that matters is whether the term is technically correct (which of course it isn't).
That is the point of using the term of course.

Dehumanise them and you can then justify whatever is done to them.

It conveniently overlooks that these people are................people.
 
Assume for a second they are actual refugees fleeing from persecution. Which most of them are eventually found to be.

Where do they leave to exactly? Who (aside from the country that intends on murdering them) takes them?

Well how about one of the several countries they traveled through to get to Australian territory?
 
That is the point of using the term of course.

Dehumanise them and you can then justify whatever is done to them.

It conveniently overlooks that these people are................people.

Now if only you gave the same concern to the 50 million people in refugee camps who are too poor to pay people smugglers for a way out.
 
Max this is failed policy as well, open your eyes. I know you seem quite keen on rhetorically spouting but what if sort of scenarios, decrying the possibility that anything other than the policy that kicks the s**t out of these folk is the way to go, but the policy is a disaster. I don't claim to know the way forward, but we should be doing a little better than this.
 
Now if only you gave the same concern to the 50 million people in refugee camps who are too poor to pay people smugglers for a way out.
It's interesting that you assume I don't.
 
They can leave whenever they want.

Centerlink is a huge incentive though
Another lie, they are not eligible.
Anyway don't need it as this government if offering to set them up in Cambodia, better than centrelink payments.
Love it my taxes at work again! Not sure where I agreed to it though.
Sadly locals don't like it as they will be better of than they are.
I love this open and transparent government:drunk:
 
Now if only you gave the same concern to the 50 million people in refugee camps who are too poor to pay people smugglers for a way out.

Dear Refugee,

As we understand it you are stuck in a refugee camp without any way out. We want you to know we truly care about you. To show this we are imprisoning, beating and in one instance killing those in a similar situation to you but with the means to pay to get here.

Also just to let you know, because we care so much about you, we've slashed our humanitarian intake by over 30%. But we do care and if you want to know how much we care just google Reza Berati. Oh and if by some miracle you do get accepted into our humanitarian program you should be aware that we will blame you for everything from the budget deficit to the traffic problems in Western Sydney.

Because we care.

Yours Sincerely,
The Australian Government
 
Dear Refugee,

As we understand it you are stuck in a refugee camp without any way out. We want you to know we truly care about you. To show this we are imprisoning, beating and in one instance killing those in a similar situation to you but with the means to pay to get here.

Also just to let you know, because we care so much about you, we've slashed our humanitarian intake by over 30%. But we do care and if you want to know how much we care just google Reza Berati. Oh and if by some miracle you do get accepted into our humanitarian program you should be aware that we will blame you for everything from the budget deficit to the traffic problems in Western Sydney.

Because we care.

Yours Sincerely,
The Australian Government

Maybe you should sign your own name at the bottom? The government has made its intentions clear your the one showing the faux concern.
 
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