Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Forward Press]

The Pickering Post sure is an unbiased, independent font of journalistic integrity that is fully referenced and well researched.

 

[Forward Press]

I like this line:

To be fair, the information is from a local and it cannot be verified,

"Hey, we can't verify this but let's run with it anyway, because I'm pretty sure we're still more informed than the ABC, a government organisation that has been in the reporting business for decades".

 

[Gough]

Pickering is a dick who drew dicks, that he tries to present himself as a commentator of sorts is hilarious.

 

[Lebbo73]

Of course, if it contradicts what you believe.

 

[romeoh]

Of course, if it contradicts what you believe.

I don't like Pickering because he is a twisted, nasty piece of work with unhealthy agendas, as can be seen by this piece.
But then I see that "To be fair, the information is from a local and it cannot be verified.'
So the article is an opinion piece and has zero credibility. Why would you bother to read such tripe Lebbo?
In the old days- wrapping for the fish and chips, then in the bin.

 

[Jakko]

What info was the ABC's navy deliberate burning of hands story based on?

 

[Jakko]

A burnt hand is not evidence as to how it happened, just like a dead man isnt evidence how it occurred.

Both the ABC (through contacting the Navy for a comment) and this Pickering bloke (saying quite clearly is just one persons account) gave themselves an out.

Neither have much substance, but the deliberate burning story was widely accepted as truth in these parts.

 

[crackerjack4X4]

 

[CountryRace]

'like'

 

[Jakko]

A burnt hand is not evidence.

That's why it wasn't put across as a statement... It was put across as a story.

OK. So direct quotes (real or not in Pickerings case I will admit) aren't as trustworthy as a "story"?

Accusing serving defense personnel of torture was a mere "story". Sums up the type that believed it I guess.

 

[Malifice]

Of course, if it contradicts what you believe.

Wasnt Reza Berati an Iranian Kurd?

Arent they persecuted by the Iranian Islamsists and s**t?

Kurds have suffered a long history of discrimination in Iran. In a report released in 2008, Amnesty International said that Kurds have been a particular target of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Kurds' "social, political and cultural rights have been repressed, as have their economic aspirations."[52] As a result, many human rights activists in Iran often shift their focus to specifically identify the Iranian authorities' violations of human rights against the Kurdish minority. However, according to Amnesty International, those activists who do "link their human rights work – drawing attention to the government's failure to observe international human rights standards - to their Kurdish identity they risk further violations of their rights."[52]

At the beginning of the 21st century, a number of Kurdish activists, writers, and teachers have been arrested for their work and were sentenced to death.[53] The increase is likely due to the government's crackdown following the nationwide protests after Iran's presidential elections. Even before the elections, Kurdish rebel groups - specifically the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan or PJAK - have taken up arms against the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Kurdistan#Political_prisoners_and_executions

 

[GuruJane]

The Pickering Post sure is an unbiased, independent font of journalistic integrity that is fully referenced and well researched.

During the recnt

Wasnt Reza Berati an Iranian Kurd?

Arent they persecuted by the Iranian Islamsists and s**t?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Kurdistan#Political_prisoners_and_executions

Berati family made it clear he claim ti Australia because he couldn't get work as an architect.

Like most Iran arrivals buying people smuggler tickets and claiming refugee status he was an economic migrant.

 

[Malifice]

Berati family made it clear he claim ti Australia because he couldn't get work as an architect.

Like most Iran arrivals buying people smuggler tickets and claiming refugee status he was an economic migrant.

Yeah, but arent the Kurds also persecuted in Iran?

 

[Forward Press]

The Kurds are pretty much persona non grata in every country in the region. Hence the calls for a Kurdistan of some kind. They have some degree of autonomy in Iraq, though.

 

[Gough]

Jane you don't give a f*** about economic migrants or deaths at sea, your posts in the terrorism thread make very clear you're just another bigot, so cut the crap and be honest with yourself and everybody else

 

[GuruJane]

Yeah, but arent the Kurds also persecuted in Iran?

Family didn't behave like they were being persecuted when they were on the telly.

 

[Malifice]

Family didn't behave like they were being persecuted when they were on the telly.

What? Their son had just been killed.

Were they popping the champagne or something?

Also: Lindy Chamberlain says hi.

 

[GuruJane]

What? Their son had just been killed.

Were they popping the champagne or something?

Also: Lindy Chamberlain says hi.

There was quite a lot of footage and Paul McGeough did a long interview with the family. They looked well to do. They told McGeough clearly that Reza had come here because he couldn't get employment and wanted to further a career as an architect.
Reza was an economic migrant - like most of the Iranians are according to Bob Carr.
If the family were under persecution from Iranian secret police they would not have given the interview to the Australian media or allowed themselves to be photographed. Don't be so ridiculous Malifice.

 

[Malifice]

There was quite a lot of footage and Paul McGeough did a long interview with the family. They looked well to do. They told McGeough clearly that Reza had come here because he couldn't get employment and wanted to further a career as an architect.

Why cant you be both?

Or can only unskilled poor people be refugees in your book?

He was an Iranian Kurd. They dont get treated well by the Iranian Islamics nutters at all.

If the family were under persecution from Iranian secret police they would not have given the interview to the Australian media or allowed themselves to be photographed. Don't be so ridiculous Malifice.

Because the Iranians are going to come here and shoot them?

Someone is being a little ridiculous.

 

[Maggie5]

Hmm, Their son had just been killed and were asked why he left. (BTW a country that persecutes the Kurds).
What should they answer, he went for a better job, holiday or to avoid persecution?
No so difficult to come up with the right answer especially since the family still live there.

 

[romeoh]

There was quite a lot of footage and Paul McGeough did a long interview with the family. They looked well to do. They told McGeough clearly that Reza had come here because he couldn't get employment and wanted to further a career as an architect.
Reza was an economic migrant - like most of the Iranians are according to Bob Carr.
If the family were under persecution from Iranian secret police they would not have given the interview to the Australian media or allowed themselves to be photographed. Don't be so ridiculous Malifice.

Well-off people are often more likely to face persecution than poorer people. The educated people are the ones who question regimes and policies and so are regarded as more of a threat. To assume people with money are not in need of refuge is not correct.

 

[Gough]

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...inst-conditions-on-nauru-20150208-137xwd.html

A medical team has described the "appalling" conditions at the detention centre on Nauru, saying there are not enough sanitary pads for women menstruating and children and women are forced to shower behind a flimsy curtain that often flies open in front of male guards.

Dr David Isaacs, a Sydney-based paediatrician, said he was shocked at the conditions the 895 asylum seekers lived in when he worked at the centre in December.

"Almost every child had behavioural problems relating to trauma and stress," he said.

"It is hot all the time, it is dusty, with very poor facilities for washing," he said. "They will limit the amount of time you're allowed in the shower to two to three minutes because of water shortages, and then there is this distance between the showers and the tents. I was shocked by how awful it was."

Dr Isaacs said he felt compelled to speak out against the conditions, despite the contracts he signed before working on the small Pacific island.

"I am not afraid to break my contract and to wear the consequences, because I feel not to speak out is to condone what is happening in our name," he said.

His colleague, Alanna Maycock, who is a nurse, was similarly distressed by the lack of privacy for women in the camp and the number of children who were wetting their beds at night, in fear of walking in darkness to go to the bathroom.

"One Muslim mother we saw had to walk past male guards at night to reach the toilet while menstruating and a blood clot ran down her leg and fell to the ground in front of them," she said.

"Another mother was too scared to go to the shower block at night to wash her child that was covered in diarrhoea.

"Women are expected to wash themselves and their babies where there is no door, no lock and the male guards can often see them.

"Women are also wetting the beds - they are too frightened to go to the toilet at night. There are male guards and there have been reports of sexual-based violence against the women by the local guards."

Another doctor who also worked on Nauru, Dr Hasantha Gunasekera, said holding children in detention constituted child abuse.

"The mandatory detention of children, particularly in offshore processing centres like Nauru, is child abuse. It is completely and utterly inappropriate and also unnecessary, in terms of it not being effective and being exorbitantly expensive."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Immigration denied there was a shortage of sanitary pads and said it would be inappropriate to discuss whether women and children were suffering from bed wetting. She said there were no plans to upgrade the showering facilities.

In October, former immigration minister Scott Morrison initiated an independent investigation into claims women on Nauru had been sexually assaulted by guards. The Moss Review is yet to be released. A department spokesman said: "The review is being finalised and its findings will be released in due course."

In November, a female asylum seeker said she had been raped twice by a male asylum seeker, who was immediately given refugee status. That allegation was also forwarded to the Moss Review.

It comes as the Australian Human Rights Commission's inquiry into children in detention is due to be released by the government.

Words fail me. Must be a coincidence that the government is looking to discredit Gillian Triggs as the report looms.

 

[Pie eyed]

Well-off people are often more likely to face persecution than poorer people. The educated people are the ones who question regimes and policies and so are regarded as more of a threat. To assume people with money are not in need of refuge is not correct.

The rich are there to be be eaten. It's traditional around Guru land.

 

[GuruJane]

Why cant you be both?

Or can only unskilled poor people be refugees in your book?

He was an Iranian Kurd. They dont get treated well by the Iranian Islamics nutters at all.



Because the Iranians are going to come here and shoot them?

Someone is being a little ridiculous.

Ridiculous if you think a family in fear and persecution of the Iranian secret service would be giving interviews to the western media.

 

[Maggie5]

Ridiculous if you think a family in fear and persecution of the Iranian secret service would be giving interviews to the western media.

What would be a better way to comply with the government? Refuse the interview?