Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[medusala]

The debate has been very cleverly (not something I say often of this government) shifted. Instead of focusing on the plight of refugees,

Illegal immigrants. Lets not conflate the two.

 

[Jiska]

Illegal immigrants. Lets not conflate the two.

Ring-a-ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down!

 

[medusala]

Who mentioned the plague?

 

[Gough]

As of 2013, the Gambia had a GDP per person of around $900, our is a shade under 67.5k. They've offered to take all 8000 refugees rescued off Indonesia, Australia have offered to take precisely zero. In the words of the Treasurer, we're a nation of leaners on this issue.

 

[Power Raid]

 

[Power Raid]

 

[Power Raid]

refugee intake up

media out

 

[Gough]

I'm sure you can find a graph to support that as well.

 

[Todman]

As of 2013, the Gambia had a GDP per person of around $900, our is a shade under 67.5k. They've offered to take all 8000 refugees rescued off Indonesia, Australia have offered to take precisely zero. In the words of the Treasurer, we're a nation of leaners on this issue.

If the refugees that Gambia accepts are capable of generating more than $900 pa then it is a win for Gambia.

 

[telsor]

If the refugees that Gambia accepts are capable of generating more than $900 pa then it is a win for Gambia.

Hell, if we hand over $1000/year to Gambia for every person they take, it's win/win/win (the last because surely genuine refugees would be happy to go to anywhere that's safe, right?).

We could increase the number of refugees we help tenfold (actually, far more) by doing that.

 

[Jiska]

Hell, if we hand over $1000/year to Gambia for every person they take, it's win/win/win (the last because surely genuine refugees would be happy to go to anywhere that's safe, right?).

We could increase the number of refugees we help tenfold (actually, far more) by doing that.

We could do that AND take our own far share and help even more

 

[telsor]

We could do that AND take our own far share and help even more

Probably depends how 'fair share' is defined...

 

[medusala]

As of 2013, the Gambia had a GDP per person of around $900, our is a shade under 67.5k.

Cayman Islands and Jersey should take millions!!

We could do that AND take our own far share and help even more

Stop being a cynic. ME is next door and its not like illegal immigrants have a duty to claim asylum at first safe country

#refugeesonrafts

#kayaksarekool

 

[midorigreenwood]

First sign that the wooden boats sourced from Vietnam by DIBP are being used.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...hes-onto-reef-after-being-turned-back/6513520

Indonesian police say a boat carrying 65 asylum seekers has crashed onto a reef after being turned back by Australian authorities.

Those aboard — 54 Sri Lankans, 10 Bangladeshis, one person from Myanmar and five additional crew — told Indonesian police they were trying to get to New Zealand.

There were four women and three toddlers on board.

They are now being held on Rote Island off West Timor after crashing onto a reef near the remote Landuti Island.

One of the crew members fled from police and has not been located.

Island chief of police senior commissioner Hidayat told the ABC the latest boat was intercepted by an Australian border patrol after setting off from West Java on May 5.

The asylum seekers told police they were transferred onto a more seaworthy wooden boat, given dried fruit, biscuits, fuel and life jackets and escorted back to Indonesian waters.

 

[yibbida]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/migrants-turned-australia-saved-indonesia-150602062059463.html

Dozens of asylum seekers whose boat became stranded off Indonesia's Rote Island are being transferred to immigration authorities, after they were reportedly turned away at sea by Australian authorities, Indonesian officials said.

The Boats have stopped. Asylum seekers are no longer in danger of drowning.....




Anyone want to buy a bridge?

 

[midorigreenwood]

They were heading to new Zealand apparently.

According to John key, they had a steel hull ship able to reach their country and the group were turned around with consultation between NZ, OZ and Indonesia.

So that will be 19 boats turned back in about 19 months with no serious diplomatic retaliation by indon other than posturing in the media.

 

[Power Raid]

They were heading to new Zealand apparently.

According to John key, they had a steel hull ship able to reach their country and the group were turned around with consultation between NZ, OZ and Indonesia.

So that will be 19 boats turned back in about 19 months with no serious diplomatic retaliation by indon other than posturing in the media.

The only people that would care it has been stopped would be Suharto and Subianto

 

[yibbida]

They were heading to new Zealand apparently.

According to John key, they had a steel hull ship able to reach their country and the group were turned around with consultation between NZ, OZ and Indonesia.

So that will be 19 boats turned back in about 19 months with no serious diplomatic retaliation by indon other than posturing in the media.

That we know about due to overseas media....

 

[midorigreenwood]

Interesting new tactic if true

Could easily blow up in their faces

http://m.smh.com.au/national/austra...onesia-says-police-chief-20150609-ghk63g.html

Australian officials paid thousands of dollars to the captain and crew of a boat carrying asylum seekers, who were then returned to Indonesia, according to passengers and an Indonesian police chief.

Sixty-five people from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar, who were seeking asylum in New Zealand, had their boat intercepted by Australian navy and Customs officials in late May, and were then returned to the island of Rote.

The Indonesian police chief on Rote, Hidayat, said the six crew members said they had been given $US5000 each by Australian officials. The crew were apprehended when they arrived at Rote and are being processed for people-smuggling offences.

Mr Hidayat said the captain, Yohanes, told him they had been given the money by an Australian customs officer called Agus, who spoke fluent Indonesian. The other crew members had corroborated Yohanes' story.

"I saw the money, the $5000 was in $100 banknotes," he said. The crew had $30,000 in total, which was wrapped in six black plastic bags, he said.

When asked on Tuesday whether Australian officials had recently paid the crew of a boat carrying asylum seekers to stay away from Australia, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton simply said, "No."

 

[Gough]

Of course we could accept that refugees are a global problem, and we could do something more than just put our heads in the sand, and pretend it doesn't exist. But where are the votes in that?

 

[Power Raid]

Interesting new tactic if true

Could easily blow up in their faces

http://m.smh.com.au/national/austra...onesia-says-police-chief-20150609-ghk63g.html

The pursers on navy vessels simply do not carry $100 notes so probably note true.

 

[Power Raid]

Of course we could accept that refugees are a global problem, and we could do something more than just put our heads in the sand, and pretend it doesn't exist. But where are the votes in that?

I think we are number 2 as a nation globally of permanent resettlement of refugees and clients of people smugglers. That's something to be proud of.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The pursers on navy vessels simply do not carry $100 notes so probably note true.

That may have been true before Operation Sovereign Borders but is it true now? Vessels on turn back duty may be equipped with bribe money.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Interesting new tactic if true

Could easily blow up in their faces

http://m.smh.com.au/national/austra...onesia-says-police-chief-20150609-ghk63g.html

So it's gone from Stop the Boats to Buy the Boats to Give them Boats to Bribe the Boats.

 

[Gough]

Anyone who arrives by boat, be it here or anywhere else won't end up in Australia. The government have dug themselves so deeply into this ideological hole that in spite of global events they are forced to continually defend the indefensible.