Strange player number behaviour

[jonesy86]

Clinton Young?

45>11

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm pretty sure he'd already made that change by the 2008 season.

 

[pickman]

Bumping this thread after thinking about Jarryd Blair's position. He's just won a premiership in a fairly undesirable number, and a few decent numbers are becoming available including some worn by some highly regarded teammates (eg O'Bree and Lockyer). The lure of a change must be pretty strong.

It got me thinking - who was the last premiership player to change his number?

In terms of the No.47, Jarryd Blair is the third premiership to wear that number of the top of my head. The other two that I can think of are Peter Francis (Carlton 1979) and Ricky Olarenshaw (Essendon 1993)

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

To answer my own question, both Warren Tredrea and Dom Cassisi changed their numbers after winning a premiership in 2004 in #16 and #25 respectively. Both changed to the #1 as part of Port's tradition of giving that number to the captain.

Tredrea later changed back to #16, and #25 is currently empty in case Cassisi gives up the captaincy and moves back into it.

 

[Connor7395]

I once heard that Mal Brown wore #100 in a reserves game or something.

The most guernsey numbers record goes to Collingwood great Jack Regan, who wore 11 numbers in one career: 1, 2, 8, 16, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25 and 27.

Harry Taylor did wear an 85 against Melbourne in the 150th anniversary game. Melbourne were owned.

Rhyce Shaw started his career in a 56 guernsey, Robert Harvey started in 52, and Tony Liberatore begin in 60.

Numbers began as far back as 1903 in a VFL match in Sydney between Fitzroy and Collingwood. Fitzroy reigned in a 17 point win.

WAFL guernseys have the number on both the back and the front, however the front number is smaller and placed on the left shoulder (or something).

The highest number was worn by Andrew Witts, who wore 65 for seven games for Collingwood in 1985.

 

[pazza]

I once heard that Mal Brown wore #100 in a reserves game or something.

Was for a whole year at Claremont in 1975 (from his own book).

 

[pazza]

I wonder if any other Essendon supporters can remember Andrew Welsh being listed in almost every publication for 2002 as #42, but wearing #41 in the 15 AFL games he played. Simon O'Keefe (young ruckman at the time) was listed as #41 for that year, but then as #42 for 2003.

Can anyone else remember this or provide a reason for it? Just one of those things i never quite worked out...

The AFL just stuffed up.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Most games in the numbers 48 and onwards? Are there any records of this? I know Rupert Betheras played 38 in the number 49, and Mal Michael a fair whack (97-00) in 48.

Brian Cordy played 124 (or thereabouts) in 49.

His son, Ayce, also has 49.

 

[Post padding]

Semi-related in terms of players moving to bigger numbers, but I always thought this one was interesting. Before the start of the 1997(?) season, Kym Koster, Tyson Edwards and Matthew Robran did a 3-way swap of numbers, presumably to let Matthew wear hid dad's no 10.

Robran 5 --> 10
Koster 9 --> 5
Edwards 10 --> 9

I think the highest number worn by a Crow was 54 - Chris Groom iirc.

Kym Koster always wanted to where no 5 as it was his stepdads number. Who was a local Legend in the Yankalilla B Grade
Kym also wore number 36 and 41 while at the Doggies.

 

[SJ]

Harry Taylor did wear an 85 against Melbourne in the 150th anniversary game. Melbourne were owned.

The question has to be asked: why was a heritage guernsey made with 85 on the back?

 

[KUNG FU]

STAR Gold Coast recruit Gary Ablett will wear No.9 for the Suns after the AFL's newest club released the guernsey number allocations for its maiden season on Wednesday.

The Brownlow Medallist wore No.29 throughout his 192-game career with Geelong, but that guernsey has been assigned to young midfielder Taylor Hine.

Gary Ablett Sr wore No.5 for the majority of his decorated career, but former Western Bulldog Jarrod Harbrow will don that Guernsey. Nathan Ablett, taken with the first pick of the NAB AFL Pre-season Draft, will wear No.55.

Harbrow wore No.40 for the Dogs with other Gold Coast signings Jared Brennan (No.17 to No.3), Josh Fraser (25 to 17) and Nathan Krakouer (7 to 14) also opting for a fresh start with new numbers.

Former Crow Nathan Bock (44), ex-Hawk Campbell Brown (30) and Brisbane Lions best-and-fairest winner Michael Rischitelli (35) have all hung onto the numbers they wore at their previous clubs.

David Swallow, taken first overall at the national draft, will wear No.24 in his debut AFL season with the second and third overall picks, Harley Bennell and Sam Day, to wear No.37 and No.39 respectively.

Rugby league convert Karmichael Hunt will wear the No.7 guernsey in his first year of AFL footy.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/106038/default.aspx

 

[Supermercado]

Yes! 55! This is a golden day for number freaks.

Also on the Harry Taylor #85 debacle, I recall Shannon Motlop doing the same thing in a Melb/Geelong game at Kardinia Park in R20, 2005. For some reason we had a #58 (I think) lying around in heritage design and he came out with it after going off with the blood rule.

 

[KUNG FU]

http://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/the-team/player-profiles/

Full numbers up.

Joel Tippett in #52. Maybe in honour of the great Shaun Rehn?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Most games in the numbers 48 and onwards? Are there any records of this? I know Rupert Betheras played 38 in the number 49, and Mal Michael a fair whack (97-00) in 48.

These are the record-holders to the best of my knowledge.

G# Gms Player           Clubs Seasons
-------------------------------------
48  61 Mal Michael      Co    1997-00
49 124 Brian Cordy      WB    1981-88
50 129 Ryan Turnbull    WC    1991-01
51  95 Michael McLean   WB    1983-89
52 167 Shaun Rehn       Ad/Ha 1991-02
53  27 Barry Young      Ri    1989-90
54  19 Ross W. Smith    NM    1984
55   9 Robert Wilkinson Ha    1980
       Ross Wright      Es    1973
56  20 Leon Harris      Fi    1979
57  20 Brad Gotch       Fi    1982
58  28 Dean Notting     Ri    1985-87
59  12 Darren Steele    NM    1984
60  13 Robert Mace      St    1982
65   7 Andrew Witts     Co    1985

Premierships in these numbers:

60 Steve McCann    NM 1977
52 Ian Owen        Ri 1969
52 Greg Dear       Ha 1986
52 Shaun Rehn      Ad 1997-98
50 Ryan Turnbull   WC 1994
48 David Calthorpe Es 1993

Other Grand Final players:

54 Noel Lovell      Co 1981
53 Ashley McIntosh  WC 1991
49 Spiro Malakellis Ge 1989
48 Michael Cooke    Ha 1975
48 Glen Jakovich    WC 1991

 

[Ron The Bear]

To answer my own question, both Warren Tredrea and Dom Cassisi changed their numbers after winning a premiership in 2004 in #16 and #25 respectively. Both changed to the #1 as part of Port's tradition of giving that number to the captain.

Tredrea later changed back to #16, and #25 is currently empty in case Cassisi gives up the captaincy and moves back into it.

Tredrea played another year in #16 before the change. The last player to swap immediately after a flag was David Calthorpe - #48 in 1993, #14 in 1994. At different clubs, Steven King went from #1 in 2007 to #2 in 2008.

 

[Slattery_20]

Tredrea played another year in #16 before the change. The last player to swap immediately after a flag was David Calthorpe - #48 in 1993, #14 in 1994. At different clubs, Steven King went from #1 in 2007 to #2 in 2008.

I reckon Manton did it that year too. 30s to 25.

 

[jonesy86]

Jarryd Blair has gone from #47 to #11

 

[pickman]

I reckon Manton did it that year too. 30s to 25.

Manton didn't play in the 1993 granny, had to wait until 1995 to become a premiership player.

 

[Connor7395]

These are the record-holders to the best of my knowledge.

G# Gms Player           Clubs Seasons
-------------------------------------
48  61 Mal Michael      Co    1997-00
49 124 Brian Cordy      WB    1981-88
50 129 Ryan Turnbull    WC    1991-01
51  95 Michael McLean   WB    1983-89
52 167 Shaun Rehn       Ad/Ha 1991-02
53  27 Barry Young      Ri    1989-90
54  19 Ross W. Smith    NM    1984
55   9 Robert Wilkinson Ha    1980
       Ross Wright      Es    1973
56  20 Leon Harris      Fi    1979
57  20 Brad Gotch       Fi    1982
58  28 Dean Notting     Ri    1985-87
59  12 Darren Steele    NM    1984
60  13 Robert Mace      St    1982
65   7 Andrew Witts     Co    1985

Premierships in these numbers:

60 Steve McCann    NM 1977
52 Ian Owen        Ri 1969
52 Greg Dear       Ha 1986
52 Shaun Rehn      Ad 1997-98
50 Ryan Turnbull   WC 1994
48 David Calthorpe Es 1993

Other Grand Final players:

54 Noel Lovell      Co 1981
53 Ashley McIntosh  WC 1991
49 Spiro Malakellis Ge 1989
48 Michael Cooke    Ha 1975
48 Glen Jakovich    WC 1991

We haven't have any (regular) number like 55 since...was it Ang Christou or something?

 

[Ron The Bear]

We haven't have any (regular) number like 55 since...was it Ang Christou or something?

Christou played one game in #56 in 1991.

Freo's Steven Koops (11 games in #51 in 2004) was the last regular in the 50's.

Few will remember Michael Voss sporting the Bears' #56 in half a dozen early matches (1992).

Others since then:
James McDonald (Me) - 4 games in #54, 1997
Ashlee Fernee (Ad) - 2 games in #54, 1996
Simon Dennis (Ri) - 2 games in #54, 1993
Anthony Darcy (WB) - 12 games in #54, 1993
Nick Hanson (Ha) - 1 game in #53, 1993
Shaun Rehn (Ad/Ha) - already mentioned
David Clarke (Ge) - 13 games in #51, 1999
Randall Bone (Ad) - 12 games in #51, 1992-93
Peter Berbakov (Es) - 17 games in #51, 1996
Ryan Turnbull (WC) - already mentioned
Mark Pitura (Ri) - 2 games in #50, 1993
Neil Mildenhall (Fr) - 7 games in #50, 1995
Chris Groom (Ad) - 12 games in #50, 1993-94
Kent Butcher (Co) - 4 games in #50, 1993
Jon Ballantyne (WB) - 20 games in #50, 1990-93

 

[Supermercado]

Brent Heaver played his first 9 games in #54 in 1990.

I know this because like an idiot I went out and got it on my jumper after he kicked five on debut.

 

[Mr Ripper]

These are the record-holders to the best of my knowledge.

G# Gms Player           Clubs Seasons
-------------------------------------
56  20 Leon Harris      Fi    1979
57  20 Brad Gotch       Fi    1982

Fairly certain these two aren't quite right, Ron. You'll see Harris in this 1979 video at 1.45 (dumping Sam fwiw ) in his familiar #38.
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And Gotch was wearing #45 from his first senior game, as seen in this clip:
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[Ron The Bear]

Fairly certain these two aren't quite right, Ron. You'll see Harris in this 1979 video at 1.45 (dumping Sam fwiw ) in his familiar #38.
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And Gotch was wearing #45 from his first senior game, as seen in this clip:
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I stand corrected. The guernsey info in my database is taken from the AFL website's stats pages, e.g. Fitzroy 1979. Often when players have changed guernseys during a season, these pages give both numbers e.g. '56/38', so I'd assumed the data to be accurate. It seems likely there are other errors/omissions.

 

[Connor7395]

Number fans will be pleased for Richmond tonight. We got Nick Westhoff wearing 51, and Mitch Keddell's got 52.

Tomorrow Hawthorn has an above fifty player. Nathan Ahmat-Watkins wears 50 for his two matches. And just four players are wearing numbers below 20 for Hawthorn tomorrow. Max Bailey will wear 1, Shaun Burgoyne has 9, Ex-Melbourne player Kyle Cheney earns unlucky 13 and Isaac Smith wears 16 for tomorrow.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Fairly sure that when Hawthorn drafted Max Bailey, he was given #36. After Spider left the club, he inherited #1, before the club effectively made him give up that number as part of an idiotic marketing stunt earlier this year. When he runs out against the Swans on Sunday, he'll be in #39.