The 2014 Attendance Thread

[Hawkk]

Highly doubt there were anywhere near that many Crows fans (think more of them were looking forward to the GF than Port's fans are this year), but I do hate it when people start arguing the breakdown so I'll stop it now before I get too hypocritical.

Back onto the topic of this year's prelims - I reckon Haw vs Port has got a good deal of buzz at the moment and should get mid 70s which would be brilliant. Hopefully the Swans can get at least high 40s too

Each to their own. There was an article back in 2012 where Stephen Trigg (then Adelaide CEO) stated that they typically got 15,000 to 20,000 alone to MCG Preliminary Finals.

I can't find the article but this was the passage that I'm referring too...

Trigg estimates that up to 10,000 people are heading from Adelaide to Melbourne for the game and maybe another 10,000 ex-pats living in Melbourne turning up to the MCG

Port have stated that 15,000 supporters have selected tickets in the designated Port Adelaide areas so there is a good chance we might have 15,000 to 20,000 Port supporters at the game. The most up to date PAX for the game is 62,000 which is 8,000 ahead of Geelong V North Melbourne (65,963) but 6,000 lower than the Essendon V North Melbourne Elimination Final (78,561).

Looking at 72,000 or so at this stage, would require a pretty big MCC turnout to lift it into the mid 70,000's.

 

[Hawker81]

Partly agree with this. That said the major escalation in the price of week 3 tickets (where a Silver AFL Member must pay $150 for a seat) could be a deterrent for neutral AFL members.

The MCC are hopeful of a 70,000 turn up, 2 years ago out PF against the Crows drew 69,146

http://www.mcc.org.au/Events at the MCG/Calendar of Events/Event Details.aspx?eid=07a75f02-1f7e-4c16-9efe-0890943f8d48

Visitor passes in the MCC are $140 this week.combine that with the fact that there won't be any balcony passes, it really gives no incentive for a) non members to buy a pass and b) members to take visitors, as you then have to sit in a worse seat.

 

[Hawkk]

What is the highest crowd vs an interstate team outside of a grand final, could this saturday challenge that ?

The top 10...

Collingwood v Adelaide - 88,960 (2002)
Essendon v West Coast - 85,656 (1996)
Collingwood v Port Adelaide - 77,405 (2003 - SOLD OUT)
Essendon v Adelaide - 76,380 (1993)
Essendon v West Coast - 75,433 (1993)
St Kilda v Sydney - 73,344 (2005)
West Coast v Geelong - 71,745 (1992)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 70,088 (1997)
Hawthorn v Adelaide - 69,146 (2012)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 67,557 (1998)

Just outside the top 10 is North Melbourne v Brisbane Bears which drew 66,719 in 1996!

If this game could make top 5 (which it won't) it would be some achievement. Since 2005, Interstate MCG finals include:

Hawthorn v Adelaide - 69,146 (2012 PF)
Collingwood v West Coast - 67,502 (2011 QF)
Collingwood v West Coast - 65,483 (2012 SF)
Collingwood v Adelaide - 62,184 (2009 SF)
Hawthorn v Sydney - 59,615 (2013 QF)
Geelong v West Coast - 59,455 (2011 PF)
Hawthorn v Sydney - 55,198 (2011 SF)
Geelong v PA - 52,744 (2013 SF)
Collingwood v PA - 51,722 (2013 EF)
Western Bulldogs v Brisbane - 47,030 (2009 SF)
Geelong v Fremantle - 45,056 (2010 SF)
Geelong v Fremantle - 44,460 (2012 EF)
Western Bulldogs v Sydney - 42,730 (2008 SF)
Western Bulldogs v Sydney - 39,595 (2010 SF)

 

[manicmagpie]

I can't find the article but this was the passage that I'm referring too...

Trigg estimates that up to 10,000 people are heading from Adelaide to Melbourne for the game and maybe another 10,000 ex-pats living in Melbourne turning up to the MCG

The only problem there are the words 'Trigg', 'estimates' and 'maybe', they don't often go together well.

 

[sverik25]

The top 10...

Collingwood v Adelaide - 88,960 (2002)
Essendon v West Coast - 85,656 (1996)
Collingwood v Port Adelaide - 77,405 (2003 - SOLD OUT)
Essendon v Adelaide - 76,380 (1993)
Essendon v West Coast - 75,433 (1993)
St Kilda v Sydney - 73,344 (2005)
West Coast v Geelong - 71,745 (1992)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 70,088 (1997)
Hawthorn v Adelaide - 69,146 (2012)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 67,557 (1998)

Just outside the top 10 is North Melbourne v Brisbane Bears which drew 66,719 in 1996!

If this game could make top 5 (which it won't) it would be some achievement. Since 2005, Interstate MCG finals include:

Hawthorn v Adelaide - 69,146 (2012 PF)
Collingwood v West Coast - 67,502 (2011 QF)
Collingwood v West Coast - 65,483 (2012 SF)
Collingwood v Adelaide - 62,184 (2009 SF)
Hawthorn v Sydney - 59,615 (2013 QF)
Geelong v West Coast - 59,455 (2011 PF)
Hawthorn v Sydney - 55,198 (2011 SF)
Geelong v PA - 52,744 (2013 SF)
Collingwood v PA - 51,722 (2013 EF)
Western Bulldogs v Brisbane - 47,030 (2009 SF)
Geelong v Fremantle - 45,056 (2010 SF)
Geelong v Fremantle - 44,460 (2012 EF)
Western Bulldogs v Sydney - 42,730 (2008 SF)
Western Bulldogs v Sydney - 39,595 (2010 SF)

Great stuff as always Hawkk.

 

[manicmagpie]

The top 10...

Collingwood v Adelaide - 88,960 (2002)
Essendon v West Coast - 85,656 (1996)
Collingwood v Port Adelaide - 77,405 (2003 - SOLD OUT)
Essendon v Adelaide - 76,380 (1993)
Essendon v West Coast - 75,433 (1993)
St Kilda v Sydney - 73,344 (2005)
West Coast v Geelong - 71,745 (1992)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 70,088 (1997)
Hawthorn v Adelaide - 69,146 (2012)
Western Bulldogs v Adelaide - 67,557 (1998)

Not forgetting that numbers 8, 9 & 10 on that list would actually be H & A games.

8 & 10 would be Hawthorn v Sydney in 1999 & 2014
9 would be Sydney v Collingwood in 2003

 

[Demonoid]

According to this "More than 15,500 Power supporters already have tickets to the preliminary final clash with Hawthorn."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...oad-to-melbourne/story-fnia6ojc-1227060887635

 

[Hawkk]

From the article...

Around 10,000 travelled in September last year to see Port defeat Collingwood in an elimination final and a similar number returned a week later to the MCG to see the semi-final loss to Geelong.

Jesus that's a big number for an EF and SF!

 

[finders]

Won't go close. The $150 for AFL silver members / MCC visitor passes plus the all round expense of tickets for the 3rd week of the finals will keep a significant portion of the neutrals away.

Its no wonder people dont go Its not the bloody Opera.The AFL are just way too hungry and screwing the real fans!

 

[Papa G]

Conceivably there could be 20,000 Port supporters there on Saturday. Surely Hawthorn could pull at least 45k? How many neutrals could be thrown in? Does the time deter from it? I personally like the Saturday Twilight so I'm not sure why people are so up in arms about.

 

[Stewies Power]

Conceivably there could be 20,000 Port supporters there on Saturday. Surely Hawthorn could pull at least 45k? How many neutrals could be thrown in? Does the time deter from it? I personally like the Saturday Twilight so I'm not sure why people are so up in arms about.

Victorian traditionalists have an obsession with Saturday afternoon games which is why I suspect so many are unhappy about it. Much different to SA, I know. Nothing wrong with the Sat twilight spot as it maximises the amount of people that can watch it on TV - as compared to a Saturday afternoon game where more people miss out because of work - and Port Adelaide in this case are still able to fly home the same night. Will be great to see 70k odd there with around 20,000 being Port fans.

 

[Hawkk]

Conceivably there could be 20,000 Port supporters there on Saturday. Surely Hawthorn could pull at least 45k? How many neutrals could be thrown in? Does the time deter from it? I personally like the Saturday Twilight so I'm not sure why people are so up in arms about.

In 2012 we played Adelaide and drew just shy of 70k. This time it seems that more Port Adelaide fans have bought tickets compared to Adelaide back in 2012 (although they’ve both been allocated a similar number of member bays). The reason I say that is that the ticket sales for 2014 are tracking a few thousand higher than 2012 but whether it draws 70,000 plus will be determined based on how many MCC members rock up on the day (I reckon it’ll go 72,000 or 73,000)

With respect to crowd split, that’s impossible to determine at the best of times (especially with MCG finals). That said the Hawks have around 50,000 members in Victoria (less 8000 in Tasmania and the balance of WA, SA, QLD and NSW members) and I would hope we could get 40,000 plus Hawthorn supporting members and fans to the game (between General Reserve / AFL Members and MCC).

It’s a shame about the ticket prices, the MCC guest pass and AFL Silver Members rate ($140 not $150) is a real killer for neutrals. For that 2012 PF the AFL members reserve was half full (at the time the Hawks only had 3000 AFL members, it’s now up to 4000). If the AFL did away with the week 3 price hike the AFL probably could add another 5000 (or more) neutrals to the total.

 

[Papa G]

I thought Hawks supporters were all Upper Middle Class types, surely ticket prices shouldn't be an issue for them?

 

[Hawkk]

I thought Hawks supporters were all Upper Middle Class types, surely ticket prices shouldn't be an issue for them?

Not for Hawthorn supporters, if you support Hawthorn or Port you'd go regardless (in the case of Port fans, 15,000 to 20,000 will drive 8 hours to cross the bloody border!)

But if you're an Collingwood, Essendon or Carlton fan (who together take up 50% of the 54,000 AFL members) you'll probably baulk at the $140 price tag for a ticket. The AFL do themselves out of 5,000 (or more) neutrals because of their ticketing strategy.

 

[walhawk]

I thought Hawks supporters were all Upper Middle Class types, surely ticket prices shouldn't be an issue for them?

Nah, just middle class.

 

[sverik25]

I thought Hawks supporters were all Upper Middle Class types, surely ticket prices shouldn't be an issue for them?

That's the traditional stereotype, but there are a lot of bandwagoners now that probably make that inaccurate.

 

[Hawkk]

That's the traditional stereotype, but there are a lot of bandwagoners now that probably make that inaccurate.

You mean this...

We're the Hawks … let us be known by our tweed

John Harms | April 15, 2009

EASTER Sunday. The footbridge at Docklands is teeming with footy fans. Families. Prams. Shopping bags of chocolate and Cheezels and chewy. Toddlers. Kids. Brown and gold kids in jumpers — 23, 5 and even 9 — destined to live happy, successful, confident lives. Who, even at age six, will sit you down and explain why none-and-two is nothing to get concerned about. Who are being taught to believe they'll inherit the Earth, because they deserve to.

I have a problem with Hawthorn fans. The way they just sit around in the Tower Hotel in their YSL polos dreaming up stuff that directs the course of the planet. Like tanking and short-selling, rolling zones and family trusts inside family trusts. The way they strut around like the uber-fan of the uber-club. All straight-toothed and shiny-haired reminiscing: "Remember James Morrissey. It was '86 or '88. No, it must have been '89, because it was the year we sold Anglesea." (All of Anglesea probably.)

I love this line...

Turns out he grew up a Cats supporter on a property near Ararat and went to school at Geelong College. In the 1970s (much of which I suspect, from his hangdog eyes, he's unlikely to remember) he set up a candle shop (called Frankincense and Candlestein) not far from Glenferrie Oval. The Cats were rubbish; the Hawks were flying. He converted. Very Hawthorn.

The funny thing about supporter stereotypes are that the clubs that traditionally draw on the higher socio demographic are the poorer clubs (Melbourne) while the clubs with working class hordes are the rich, powerhouse clubs (think Collingwood and Richmond)

Footy logic is like no other

 

[Hawkk]

20,000 expected to flock MCG

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-09-17/20000-expected-to-flock-to-mcg

MORE than twenty thousand Port Adelaide supporters are expected to make the pilgrimage to the MCG to watch the Power take on Hawthorn in the second preliminary final this weekend.

Ticket sales are tracking strongly and the AFL is predicting a roaring crowd of between seventy and eighty thousand.

Would be great if we could get mid 70,000's to this game. Seems to be the sort of game where the crowd estimate seems to grow and grow as the week goes by...

 

[Papa G]

Lock up your daughters, lock up your wives, lock up your backdoors and run for your lives...

 

[Hawkk]

Just checking the AFL Members email for the game on Saturday and it seems like bugger all AFL members have purchased tickets for the game.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-14/wk-3-mcg-finals-info

Thats about 40% or 50% of the 18,000 reserve available for walk-up. Much more than any other MCG final in the series. I guess that's what you get when you charge Silver AFL members $140 for a ticket in the gods. A fair hike from $40 for equivalent seats in weeks 1 and 2!

 

[Rob]

It's incredibly hard to predict splits of supporters. I heard figures before the game of 5000 and 8000 Port fans being at Subi last week, and the end result was about 1500. Likewise last year when Freo played Geelong the media were talking up 5000 fans making the trip, and there were maybe 2000 of us at best.

Bit easier to go from Adelaide to Melbourne, but i'd be surprised if even close to 20k Port fans will be there. Half that would be a commendable effort.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It's incredibly hard to predict splits of supporters. I heard figures before the game of 5000 and 8000 Port fans being at Subi last week, and the end result was about 1500. Likewise last year when Freo played Geelong the media were talking up 5000 fans making the trip, and there were maybe 2000 of us at best.

Bit easier to go from Adelaide to Melbourne, but i'd be surprised if even close to 20k Port fans will be there. Half that would be a commendable effort.

The thing that can skew this too is the number of interstate based fans for teams

Back in the 90's I had a lot of mates who were Melbourne based Crow fans, and when finals came they would be ringing mum, dad, and uncle bob for their membership tickets to buy for the games in Melbourne.

I know a lot of young professionals from SA move to Melbourne and Sydney due to limited career opportunities in Adelaide, so I'm not shocked by a 20k potential. Reckon a lot of Sydney based South Aussies will be dusting off their flannels, microwaving a pie floater for the first time in years, and ringing up the PA mates for the first time in years for their membership number

 

[Fletched]

You forgot 72768 for the hawks and swans earlier this year this should beat that

 

[Rouel_14]

You forgot 72768 for the hawks and swans earlier this year this should beat that

Though i understand yes they are interstate now, one can not underestimate the the amount of South Melbourne fans that still support the Swans, they are probably lucky they have these members to boost their own sydney ones and are likely to draw a bigger crowd than other interstate team

 

[Hawkk]

Though i understand yes they are interstate now, one can not underestimate the the amount of South Melbourne fans that still support the Swans, they are probably lucky they have these members to boost their own sydney ones and are likely to draw a bigger crowd than other interstate team

Spot on. The Swans probably draw an equivalent crowd in Melbourne to North or the Dogs