Please, please, please don't continue with this fallacy!
Playing the RIGHT kids does not in any way compromise our chances when they replace the more experienced players that no longer cut the mustard!
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Playing the RIGHT kids does not in any way compromise our chances when they replace the more experienced players that no longer cut the mustard!
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That's pretty much what I said, isn't it?
Play the right kids. If they demand selection, select them.
Don't select them simply because they are younger.
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We will not win the flag this year.
We will not make the top four this year.
We are very unlikely to make the eight this year.
The Adelaide Football Club- we love to be ordinary.
P.S. Are we there yet Sando? Is it time to play the KIDS?
We will not make the top four this year.
We are very unlikely to make the eight this year.
The Adelaide Football Club- we love to be ordinary.
P.S. Are we there yet Sando? Is it time to play the KIDS?
Our opponents are Pies, WCE, Richmond, North, Lions, St Kilda.
Win 6/6 and we are in
Win 5/6 and we are in
Win 4/6 and we need results to go our way.
Anything less and we wont get in.
IMO if we cant beat the four non top 8 sides in our run home we are not worthy of being a top 8 team.
Win 6/6 and we are in
Win 5/6 and we are in
Win 4/6 and we need results to go our way.
Anything less and we wont get in.
IMO if we cant beat the four non top 8 sides in our run home we are not worthy of being a top 8 team.
The good sides no longer "bottom out", at least not to the depths of 18-12th anymore.
The best sides of the last ten years ie Geelong, Hawthorn, Freo, Sydney, Collingwood have all been in the top 8 for the best part of the last decade and this is because they can develop their players whilst still being competitive. All but Freo have won a flag, and the rest but Collingwood have won two. None of these clubs show signs they will miss the 8 or at least drop lower than 10th for a long time.
The idea of bottoming out to get some good picks is starting to become an archaic point of view as development of best player available at your pick is becoming best common practice agmongst the best sides.
Sides like the Bulldogs, Melbourne, Richmond and Brisbane have had more first round draft picks and have done nothing in the past ten years.
The best sides of the last ten years ie Geelong, Hawthorn, Freo, Sydney, Collingwood have all been in the top 8 for the best part of the last decade and this is because they can develop their players whilst still being competitive. All but Freo have won a flag, and the rest but Collingwood have won two. None of these clubs show signs they will miss the 8 or at least drop lower than 10th for a long time.
The idea of bottoming out to get some good picks is starting to become an archaic point of view as development of best player available at your pick is becoming best common practice agmongst the best sides.
Sides like the Bulldogs, Melbourne, Richmond and Brisbane have had more first round draft picks and have done nothing in the past ten years.
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Your post doesn't even make sense. How does not finishing in the 8 mean we love to be ordinary? Or do you not really think about what you post anymore?
There are a lot of ways you could describe what we've been doing. It's still a rubbish term, and it achieves nothing to bring it up.
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Geelong won their first flag in 2007. Their lead up going from 2006 backwards was: 10, 6, 4, 12, 9, 12 (these are finishing positions if that's not clear)
Hawthorn 2008. Their lead up was 5, 11, 14, 15, 9, 10
West Coast 2006. Their lead up was 2, 7, 7, 8, 14, 13
Collingwood 2010. Their lead up was 4, 8, 6, 5, 15, 13
So, every premiership team of recent times except the COLA Swans (who never dropped below 11th) has experienced some time in this 12-18th band you're claiming no longer applies.
It is a mistake to take teams that have gone on to win multiple premierships and to compare us to their 2nd or 3rd premiership teams. These teams have already assembled a premiership quality squad. They are perfectly entitled to top up with a one-season older player, or drip feed games to rookies. Their challenge is to maintain what they have got. How did they achieve their first premiership? That is what we need to be looking at.
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My point Ferris is that the AFC puts most of its energy into short term goals. If you play your best 22 every match then you will never introduce new players. We are happy to play first round draft picks like Danger, Brad Crouch and Talia but we will play Rutten until he drops rather than giving games to Hartigan. The outcome of this approach is you are always a chance to make the eight but you are never a real contender.
I would love to win the last 6 games and make the 8 providing it doesn't mean playing Truck, Porps and Reilly whilst keeping Matty Crouch, Cameron and Grigg in the twos. If it is Scott Thompson or Matty Crouch then we have to play Thommo but Truck, Porps and Radar are hardly streets ahead of their replacements.
The only tough decision IMHO is JPod however if he plays and a fit Jenkins, Tex, Lynch or Cameron miss out then our priorities are wrong.
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Looks like Gold Coast are out of the race...
This game against Collingwood is extremely important.
This game against Collingwood is extremely important.
You make it sound like it is completely obvious which young players will eventually become stars.
If it were as obvious as you make out, then of course the coaches would be more likely to give them games.
The problem is that it is far from obvious which young players will make it.
Gifting games to future spuds is worse than persisting with experienced players when the rookies have not shown much.
Mckernan, Sellar, Petrenko etc spring to mind.
Hartigan was an interesting choice you used as an example - IMHO he completely sucked and was persisted with for longer than he deserved.
He was being groomed as Rutten replacement and as such they gifted him a lot of games.
Eventually the coaches just had enough of his complete crappiness.
But your devotion to a sucky player has been noted.
No doubt if he is delisted in 2-3 years you'll just say the coaches never gave him a chance.
And guys like Jaensch who was everybody's whipping boy (Why is he getting a game ahead of <insert spud name here>?) was persisted with and will go top 10 B&F this year.
The coaches just cannot win.
Strange how L Thompson is now back in vogue.
The top 8 is a whole lot more easier to reach. No more results have to fall our way. We just have to keep winning.
Some of the match ups after this round are not so clear cut now.
Our destiny is in our hands.
Some of the match ups after this round are not so clear cut now.
Our destiny is in our hands.
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It's not obvious which is why it's important to throw caution to the wind, invest in a number of young players if needed in order for the handful of keepers to emerge. Especially if you're in our position, where the senior squad has shown that it is not at the level of the best teams.
No it isn't. If they struggle at AFL level you can delist them and develop your list based on knowledge. Instead of having players on your list for years who don't contribute anything meaningful, don't improve in any significant way and are worth zero on the trade table.
Imagine if Jaensch was an experienced player by now how much better he'd be? One top 10 B&F finish in a non-finals year before being squeezed out by van Berlo.
Jaensch is perhaps not the best example as injuries stopped him getting games I think it was in '11 with a shoulder and groin in '12
"Following a promising debut season as a small forward in 2010, Jaensch held down a permanent spot in defence last year. The neat-kicking 22-year-old averaged 18.5 disposals across half-back and was on track for a break-out season before suffering a shoulder injury, which required surgery, against Essendon in round 17. Despite missing the last month of the season, Jaensch was recognised with the Emerging Talent award at the Crows Club Champion night. His best game came against Melbourne in round seven, where he amassed 27 possessions, five marks and three tackles. - See more at: http://m.afc.com.au/player-profile/matthew-jaensch#sthash.Fdi3QP4I.dpuf"
He was also identified early and hence the reason Sando may have persisted last year despite form. Then he made way.
Kids have to be AFL standard 1st and earn selection. Otherwise it is kind of pointless.
Remember the running goal against West Coast a few years back by Matty J?
That was in a crunch situation and he nailed it, its things like that which keep him in the selectors eye.
That was in a crunch situation and he nailed it, its things like that which keep him in the selectors eye.
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We have a very favourable fixture in the last 5 games. We'll be favourites in 4 of the 5. We really should be beating those 4 sides too. We do, we should make the 8. The North game will be interesting.
Should win four of the next five.
yeah, just rubbish. Why don't you put it in context.
West Coast bottomed out due to being crap rather than playing kids and the coach Judge got sacked while another coach came in and enjoyed the spoils
Hawthorn's Coach was also sacked and Alistair Clarkson took over
Adelaide was the beneficiary of Gary Ayres jumping from a sinking ship leaving Mark Thompson to benefit
Mick Malthouse was the only coach to survive which in itself is suspicious as I and many others think they tanked for draft picks. Bottom line is all these clubs bar Collingwood at some stage were the butt of jokes because they weren't playing kids they just poorly recruited and traded, had extremely poor list management. Nothing was by design in bottoming out besides Collingwood. If you think that's a recommended blue print for success you are kidding yourself considering Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney benefited in their 2nd and 3rd premierships respectively from raiding top players from lists.
Hey it worked, but what about Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, Fremantle? It doesn't work for everyone.
Agree
However next week we have two less days recovery however WCE will travel without Cox and Shuey
Even with 2 more days recovery, they had a huge slog in very heavy conditions, so it'll even out a bit
Plus they're s**t. If we can't beat them at home...... well yeah. They will crumble under any sort of pressure and outside of Priddis, their midfield is a bunch of downhill skiers
next three all very loseable, have to win all 3
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