"The Left"

[Contra Mundum]

The UK speaker is about as good as example as you would find. Finding out his wife was cheating on him with his cousin produced few pangs of sympathy. Chris Patten another. Pompous non achieving , pigeon flying, campaigner

Steve Waugh would probably nominate Ganguly. McChins only saved because as he likes to constantly remind everyone he is from Broadmedows. No Eddie you twit, anyone who runs with a shortened derivation in to their thirties can have no aspirations of grandeur regardless of the hovel they came from.

Oh Meds - don't ever change!!!

 

[medusala]

Oh Meds - don't ever change!!!

Comrade, still scarred from the 80's and Allan Border days.

I think we can both agree there are bad cats on both sides of the divide. The pity is few people of merit in my experience would ever subject themselves to the travails of Canberra.

Would you actually stand?

He was of the Torquemada variety brother

Sorry, I got lost at High Church!

Went to wedding recently that lasted over 45 mins in Gods 1st XI, thought it was 5th November.

#nervous
#remember, remember

 

[Contra Mundum]

Comrade, still scarred from the 80's and Allan Border days.

I think we can both agree there are bad cats on both sides of the divide. The pity is few people of merit in my experience would ever subject themselves to the travails of Canberra.

Would you actually stand?



Sorry, I got lost at High Church!

Went to wedding recently that lasted over 45 mins in Gods 1st XI, thought it was 5th November.

#nervous
#remember, remember

I would never stand for Parliament - the reason I went to the Bar is I basically hate people - the idea of brown nosing to people I regard as total fookwits is like hell to me.

 

[blackcat]

I would never stand for Parliament - the reason I went to the Bar is I basically hate people - the idea of brown nosing to people I regard as total fookwits is like hell to me.

Zenos paradox feeling is mutual

Justin Langer 101

 

[Xsess]

Leftism is a disease planted in Australia many years ago by the Russians. Leaves its victims hooked on a moral superiority rush, but robs them of cogniscent function and ability to see reason or fact... Legions of well meaning souls taking a rabid interest in progressing social equality but because this terrible disease has left them without functioning brains their meddling in these areas almost always results in a far far worse social outcome - illegal boat arrivals and aboriginal affairs two prime examples..

 

[Little Big John]

Leaves its victims hooked on a moral superiority rush, but robs them of cogniscent function

hahahahahahaha.

******* leftist.

 

[Xsess]

hahahahahahaha.

******* leftist.

A curious side effect to this terrible infection is misplaced anger. Because a Lefty doesn't understand facts or reason they are often unable to debate issues which I can only assume leads to terrible frustration and a propensity to lash out, deflect or smother debate in static "noise". You will often see schools of lefties dominating social media sites, resplendent in their group-think, driving out any descenting voices and angrily attacking any sane voices among them.

 

[Little Big John]

A curious side effect to this terrible infection is misplaced anger. Because a Lefty doesn't understand facts or reason they are often unable to debate issues which I can only assume leads to terrible frustration and a propensity to lash out, deflect or smother debate in static "noise". You will often see schools of lefties dominating social media sites, dominating in their group-think, driving out any descenting voices and angrily attacking any sane voices among them.

What does this have to do with my post?

You appear to be lacking any kind of awareness or knowledge relating to how the (mis)use of language can effect the point you're trying to make.

Unless you're engaging in some kind of grand satire that is too unblinking for my taste/perception.

 

[B4Bear]

I wouldn't even describe our current government as being collectively conservative.

Collectively stupid is a more apt term.

Back on topic though.

The term 'Leftist' is used by anyone the is to the left of what they think should be the social norm.

Using Bolt as an example, he is so far to the right, that any person he disagrees with is automatically a leftist. His favourite target is Malcom Turnbull; now who would have classed MT as a lefty? Well Bolt does. Ignoring the fact that MT is a multi-squillioniare, self made and a sitting member of a conservative government, an individual that champions individual rights and wants minimal government intervention when the free market can do the job.

It is a lazy term, used by the ill-educated because they fear change and things that take them out of their comfort zones.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Think you mean Wigan Pier. Getting your cyclists muddled with your grim northern English towns. Strangely, in another lifetime, I was reading Orwell when I was working at Wigan Pier. If you ever wander into the museum there and see the working steam engine - I helped to build it.

s**t Lester that is a good pick up - bad spelling blue!

 

[RightorKhan]

This a term thrown about like confetti in Australia, and I've come to the conclusion that many who hurl it about have no clue what they mean by it. I think there is a very strong case for an argument of minds/ideology over future economic direction, but to many, "the left", often accompanied by an synonym of crazy seems to be a catch all term coined by conservatives in the media, and enthusiastically adopted by their acolytes to mean anybody opposing this government, and it's policies.
So what does left wing mean to you? Is it Maoism, socialism, communism, Marxism, it's never exactly been a united movement, which is why I find this sweeping generalisation odd.

To me it generally helps me identify whether a person is intelligent or not. When people say "the left" or "labor" with spit rolling off their tongue (in their usual classless context) it represents cognitive dissonance subjugated by the long term alcohol abuse.

I couldn't be more glad they do this as it's a red flag to identify the less intelligent. Better than them keeping quiet and blending in undercover to receive respectful conversations from secular minded people.

 

[blackcat]

To me it generally helps me identify whether a person is intelligent or not. When people say "the left" or "labor" with spit rolling off their tongue (in their usual classless context) it represents cognitive dissonance subjugated by the long term alcohol abuse.

I couldn't be more glad they do this as it's a red flag to identify the less intelligent. Better than them keeping quiet and blending in undercover to receive respectful conversations from secular minded people.

adroit
or gauche? paradox?

 

[MaddAdam]

This a term thrown about like confetti in Australia, and I've come to the conclusion that many who hurl it about have no clue what they mean by it. I think there is a very strong case for an argument of minds/ideology over future economic direction, but to many, "the left", often accompanied by an synonym of crazy seems to be a catch all term coined by conservatives in the media, and enthusiastically adopted by their acolytes to mean anybody opposing this government, and it's policies.
So what does left wing mean to you? Is it Maoism, socialism, communism, Marxism, it's never exactly been a united movement, which is why I find this sweeping generalisation odd.

"The Left" is anyone who opposes the hard neo liberal economic agenda of the current Liberal party who lead the Coalition and their media fellow travellers/forward scots/kite flyers/general mercenaries who will put their name to any s**t for money.

It is also used to smear anyone who opposes the social/ethical wedge issues that are raised in a (so far very successful) effort to divide any coherent opposition to such policies.

So successful has this been that there's very elected politicians - at a federal level - who could honestly be described as left.

The most genuinely "left" politician is Sen. John Madigan.

The Greens have a few of varying strengths, Bandt being one, but DiNatale has shown he's very happy to embrace the market as the defining political decision point. Rhiannon is a Stalinist and Ludlum is more "techno libertarian".

Naturally, the ALP cannot be said to be a "left" organisation in any genuine sense.

 

[Pie eyed]

adroit
or gauche? paradox?

Ironic to judge someones intelligence using such an illogical metric I would think.
I generally find the easiest and best way to judge whether a person is intelligent or not is to weigh up the merits of their opinions and then deduct points for the number of posters of Liberal party frontbenchers they have in their bedrooms and toilets.

 

[blackcat]

Ironic to judge someones intelligence using such an illogical metric I would think.
I generally find the easiest and best way to judge whether a person is intelligent or not is to weigh up the merits of their opinions and then deduct points for the number of posters of Liberal party frontbenchers they have in their bedrooms and toilets.

extra points for jest 'n drollery?

 

[medusala]

"The Left" is anyone who opposes the hard neo liberal economic agenda of the current Liberal party who lead the Coalition and their media fellow travellers/forward scots/kite flyers/general mercenaries who will put their name to any s**t for money.

There is no way you could call Abbott neo liberal. For a start he is Mick and pigeon flying is hardly a bed fellow to invididual freedoms.

Then take his non existent efforts to cut spending, his failure to address IR, his individual tax hikes, his continued wasting of billions on NBN etc.

I very much doubt he has a copy of the Road to Serfdom on his bedside table. He has even spent more money than the public sector careerist, magic pudding believer, confused opener of milk cartons, Swan.

 

[medusala]

adroit
or gauche? paradox?

Or in that individual's case: flotsam or jetsam

#jeneparlepassurrender

 

[MaddAdam]

There is no way you could call Abbott neo liberal. For a start he is Mick and pigeon flying is hardly a bed fellow to invididual freedoms.

Then take his non existent efforts to cut spending, his failure to address IR, his individual tax hikes, his continued wasting of billions on NBN etc.

I very much doubt he has a copy of the Road to Serfdom on his bedside table. He has even spent more money than the public sector careerist, magic pudding believer, confused opener of milk cartons, Swan.

Just because they are too incompetent to implement it doesn't mean they don't believe it.

You did hear about their first budget over there in Cameron's failing state didn't you?

 

[The Speaker]

Left and right do not exist.

 

[smokingjacket]

The Greens have a few of varying strengths, Bandt being one, but DiNatale has shown he's very happy to embrace the market as the defining political decision point. Rhiannon is a Stalinist and Ludlum is more "techno libertarian".

Wouldn't it be fair to put Ludlum in the Chomsky-ite camp? When I think techno-libertarian, I go to the silicon valley types who come up with new forms of gruel for the poor scenarios. His campaigns are mostly concerned with big data and the state from a left libertarian-small gov-tech will save the world angle but I don't see the hard edge of the techno-libertarian. For one he has strong environmental credentials. The Beeliar Wetlands work he's done is some of the Greens best in WA by using economic arguments for environmental protection.

 

[MaddAdam]

Wouldn't it be fair to put Ludlum in the Chomsky-ite camp? When I think techno-libertarian, I go to the silicon valley types who come up with new forms of gruel for the poor scenarios. His campaigns are mostly concerned with big data and the state from a left libertarian-small gov-tech will save the world angle but I don't see the hard edge of the techno-libertarian. For one he has strong environmental credentials. The Beeliar Wetlands work he's done is some of the Greens best in WA by using economic arguments for environmental protection.

Yeah, I'm generalising and I certainly don't lump Ludlum in with the Silicon Valley types like the Uber flogs who don't believe in tax or regulation. As you say, he's more Chomsky/Assange (natch, the two are good mates). Point being the Greens themselves actually have a wide variety of "factions" and I actually think they'll struggle to hold some of their action together as the old Tasmanian environmentalist "cred" wing fades into history.

They'll basically become the old Labour Socialist Left run out of Victoria.

I'm tempted to start an SNP style Victorian independence movement. Pretty obvious that Victoria is moving away from the rest of the country on a wide variety of platforms - socially, economically etc. When even the state Lib leader is publically slagging the PM with genuine venom, things are changing

 

[Gough]

Manufacturing states have had the future, and history is progressive, forced upon them. Being able to dig s**t up in vast quantities is just delaying the inevitable.

 

[MaddAdam]

Manufacturing states have had the future, and history is progressive, forced upon them. Being able to dig s**t up in vast quantities is just delaying the inevitable.

Exactly. And we were lucky in Vic in that we lived in an age when the wealth of digging s**t up was largely - or at least a decent proportion - invested in lasting stuff. We have public architecture and infrastructure to show for it.

Queensland's "coal future" is dead before the digging has really started and its dawning on WA that they got rich for ten years as well paid serfs for gangster capitalists like Rineheart who now will offer them $2 an hour to guard the robots at the mines.

I'm not sure what NSW does, it may turn back to its original piratical self and launch war on New Zealand to siphon out the excess Sydney surburban population.

But Victoria is the only state with a genuine long term plan that could work in the modern post capitalist economy. We'll end up like say Pittsburgh, which reinvented itself from steel to healthcare. Victoria is the only state that can genuinely support a true knowledge economy.

The stuff about China's devaluations of the yuan should terrify Australian policymakers.

 

[Gough]

SA is taking a bit of a hit right now, but I think Weatherill is pointing it in the right direction. The dawning realisation that Roxby is not going to be the saviour is healthy. I'd love to see us develop our education sector even more, Rann was spot on the money, Adelaide can be a great uni town.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Left and right do not exist.

http://existentialcomics.com/