Vdubs
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Mooy is a beauty all right, in fact, he is living up to the meaning of his name; MOOY is Dutch for beautiful, charming, attractive. He plays really attractive football.
The Melbourne City Thread
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pantskyle
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The US league is of a higher quality than the A league.
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MLS has some bigger names such as Villa, Lampard and Kaka, but the standard of football isn't better than the A-League.
pantskyle
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Yes it is.
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No way, Jose.
TooUglyForFugly
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Thanks, Villa ... :shrugs:
TooUglyForFugly
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I want to assume I know why.
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Nah man it's like the A-League with players retiring but better quality stars due to the money they have. USA is ranked like 20th in the world. Most of their players come from MLS.
pantskyle
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Seems like you don't have a clue.
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Yeah but they is way more teams in MLS so the quality drops, because apart from the ones Flapjacks mentioned, there isn't much talent amongst the rest of the many players in the league.
I admit I've only watched a handful of MLS games, but they were all worse quality than the A-League.
eth-dog
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It's like arguing whether the EDFL or EFL is a better league. Neither are great so it doesn't matter.
TooUglyForFugly
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Having just watched LA vs RSL, there's probably a kernel of truth in the last statement.
pantskyle
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Pretty much spot on. Both average leagues with the US league a step or two in front, for now.
One win against a team obviously in crisis on and off the field does not suddenly make JvS a good coach. I've followed Heart/City since the beginning and have never been a fan. His use of wingers as defenders, obstinate refusal to play anything other than 4-3-3 regardless of personnel, and lack of adaptability to opposition tactics have been undeniable factors in the team's struggles in both of his tenures. He also failed at Guadalajara between his two spells in Melbourne, although there were probably mitigating factors there. I don't know how many times he needs to see Iain Ramsay (like Aziz Behich before him) get hopelessly exposed before realising it might be worth having a genuine left full-back in the squad.
Anyway, in other news we've signed former Roar midfielder Liam Miller on a short-term deal. Given that Mooy and Mauk are on Socceroos duty, and with Murdocca, Koren and Germano injured, the signing makes sense. Still hope Retre keeps his place in the starting XI for the Mariners game - he was great in supporting Paartalu, who looked extremely stretched in the first few games behind Mooy and Murdocca.
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Why wouldn't the quality of the A-League drop more? The USA is a mile ahead of us as a footballing nation right now. It is also closer to the Western European and South American countries that it invariably gets its imports from than Australia (which probably means it is more likely to be able to get players that still can and will make the national squad for World Cup calibre countries, whereas the A-League doesn't and only gets players like Duff when they are in their mid-30s and have retired from national team commitments). If Duff was three years younger (and he wished to), he could play MLS and still be considered for Ireland. But if Duff was three years younger and still chose to play out here, whether he wanted to or not, he wouldn't be considered for the Irish national team.
Vdubs
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His knowledge of coaching would have to superior to yours, with all respect, and when he has the personnel available, he gets results.
When we win, it is because of negative circumstances involving the opposition; when we lose, it's because he sucks?
Give him a break, let the season roll on.
Of course his knowledge of coaching is superior to mine, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best candidate for the job.
Happy to agree to disagree, and will be even happier if he proves me wrong.
Happy to agree to disagree, and will be even happier if he proves me wrong.
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As I've mentioned, I have no qualms with him as our coach but at no point in his career as a manager has he ever managed to get results. I don't understand why this myth of him being a proven manager keeps getting thrown around. The only results he has ever managed to achieve are bad ones.
(And Jamie Young is a far better goalkeeper than 99% of the world, but that shouldn't prevent people from calling him out for being rubbish at a professional level).
I would like to see us line up something like this;
Redmayne
Hoffman- Kisnorbo - Wielaert - ?
Murdocca
Mooy - Koren
Duff - Kennedy - Williams
Could Paartalu play the LB position?
Brown, Dugandzic, Ramsay, Marino - bench depth.
eth-dog
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I would have:
Redmayne
Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wielart - Germano
Mooy - Paartalu
Duff - Koren - Dugandzic
Kennedy
Germano is competent enough defensively to cover LB. Dugandzic is a better winger than Williams, Williams is better centrally (although neither are worth writing home about)Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wielart - Germano
Mooy - Paartalu
Duff - Koren - Dugandzic
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How long is Miller's contract?
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He's a national squad replacement player and presumably, he'd be a chance to stick around as an injury replacement, if players like Koren and Germano are out for much longer. So, right now, he's probably here for a month, tops. However, we do have a visa spot for him (or someone) and as I understand it, his options for changing to a third club in a season will be severely limited, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign for the rest of the season, at some point.
I think, in the here-and-now, it's a solid move as the midfield is utterly decimated at the moment, but if he stays for the remainder of the season, it's pretty puzzling, as even at full-strength, we're still looking very suspect at full back, whereas someone like Murdocca or Miller would find himself as a part-time player, if our midfield was approaching full-strength.
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