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Dr Steven Chu,Former US Secretary of Energy and Nobel Laureate today at the National Press Club.
Real big picture boy has comprehensively debunked every myth our Govt has based its energy policy on.
Very pragmatic and knowledgeable Professor;both scientist and politician...advocates carbon pricing.
Said many companies already have an price on carbon internally.
Wind is cheaper than new coal and will become cheaper than gas....
Renewables are the future..
We are duty bound to clean things up for future generations...
If you want a portfolio that returns 8/9% invest in solar or wind..
IT'S REAL BUSINESS...
Says it's the role of Govt to invest in renewables R&D...
Final Question to audience "Do the majority of Australians want to pay more than they need to for energy produced by fossil fuels and simultaneously pollute than cheaper and cleaner?"
The kicker was that "to take advantage of the new technology requires more thinking."
Renewables is a good mechanism for economic stimulus.
Well worth a listen hope I haven't mis-represented him.
Real big picture boy has comprehensively debunked every myth our Govt has based its energy policy on.
Very pragmatic and knowledgeable Professor;both scientist and politician...advocates carbon pricing.
Said many companies already have an price on carbon internally.
Wind is cheaper than new coal and will become cheaper than gas....
Renewables are the future..
We are duty bound to clean things up for future generations...
If you want a portfolio that returns 8/9% invest in solar or wind..
IT'S REAL BUSINESS...
Says it's the role of Govt to invest in renewables R&D...
Final Question to audience "Do the majority of Australians want to pay more than they need to for energy produced by fossil fuels and simultaneously pollute than cheaper and cleaner?"
The kicker was that "to take advantage of the new technology requires more thinking."
Renewables is a good mechanism for economic stimulus.
Well worth a listen hope I haven't mis-represented him.
Dr Steven Chu,Former US Secretary of Energy and Nobel Laureate today at the National Press Club.
Real big picture boy has comprehensively debunked every myth our Govt has based its energy policy on.
Very pragmatic and knowledgeable Professor;both scientist and politician...advocates carbon pricing.
Said many companies already have an price on carbon internally.
Wind is cheaper than new coal and will become cheaper than gas....
Renewables are the future..
We are duty bound to clean things up for future generations...
If you want a portfolio that returns 8/9% invest in solar or wind..
IT'S REAL BUSINESS...
Says it's the role of Govt to invest in renewables R&D...
Final Question to audience "Do the majority of Australians want to pay more than they need to for energy produced by fossil fuels and simultaneously pollute than cheaper and cleaner?"
The kicker was that "to take advantage of the new technology requires more thinking."
Renewables is a good mechanism for economic stimulus.
Well worth a listen hope I haven't mis-represented him.
That sounds about right.
The fact is that the Abbott Ideology is putting the country way behind the 8ball.
Sure coal will be part of the mix for years to come, but will slowly wane as major economies more away from dirty non-renewable fossil fuels like coal.
The question is part of the overall concern of where our future jobs are coming from?
telsor
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Dr Steven Chu,Former US Secretary of Energy and Nobel Laureate today at the National Press Club.
Real big picture boy has comprehensively debunked every myth our Govt has based its energy policy on.
Very pragmatic and knowledgeable Professor;both scientist and politician...advocates carbon pricing.
Said many companies already have an price on carbon internally.
Wind is cheaper than new coal and will become cheaper than gas....
Renewables are the future..
We are duty bound to clean things up for future generations...
If you want a portfolio that returns 8/9% invest in solar or wind..
IT'S REAL BUSINESS...
Says it's the role of Govt to invest in renewables R&D...
Final Question to audience "Do the majority of Australians want to pay more than they need to for energy produced by fossil fuels and simultaneously pollute than cheaper and cleaner?"
The kicker was that "to take advantage of the new technology requires more thinking."
Renewables is a good mechanism for economic stimulus.
Well worth a listen hope I haven't mis-represented him.
If it's so profitable and wonderful, why does it need massive government subsidies?
He covered all that in detail including the fact that oil,gas and coal have received subsidies for approx 100 years.His opinion was all subsidies should be removed by about 2020 and see who survives.
Let's just say you're in ideological opposition telsor and leave it at that.
telsor
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He covered all that in detail including the fact that oil,gas and coal have received subsidies for approx 100 years.His opinion was all subsidies should be removed by about 2020 and see who survives.
Let's just say you're in ideological opposition telsor and leave it at that.
The former US energy secretary has that good an understanding of what we've subsidised (or not) for 100 years?
Let's remove all subsidies now...Remind me, what do Oil and Gas get?
telsor
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Yes, but that infrastructure was an investment that got paid back (Victorian State electricity commission certainly paid dividends to the state for decades, on top of replacing/expanding the infrastructure, and then when sold reaped further returns for the government).
Renewables feed on a lot of that infrastructure ( the power network ), but offer no returns at all for their subsidies they take.
The Tasmanian power grid is run on renewable Hydroelectric power. The source of the power is not relevant to how the system is paid for. It was done by a Government company, (Hydro E.C.) Government subsidies & selling power to industry & homes paid for it. Wind farms add to the power source now, & occasionally bringing a natural gas fired station on line, as well as some home solar power systems.
So renewables do help 'pay' for power systems. They are not evil. They create different jobs than just digging up coal & burning it in 50-60 year old power stations.
telsor
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According to the greens, Hydro *IS* evil...
Source?
telsor
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Bob Brown made his name campaigning against Hydro....
A few nutty dark greens do, but farkem!
Brown & others were anti the Franklin Dam, (Gordon below Franklin scheme). Its size, effect on the wild rivers & cost were factors. At the time many argued the cost didnt justify the damage it would cause & the extra expensive power it would generate was not really needed. I'm sure he would be happy with solar & wind power now being put into the Grid.
I'll stop wearing my "natty dark green shirt" if it's anti hydro.
30 years ago. What's the current policy? Where would you propose a new hydro system?
I dont know where one could do it. The point was that renewable energy can contribute to running a power grid just as much as any coal fired power station system would. Its just the development phase that needs support. That applies to all power systems in the country. The Snowy scheme, the Hydro scheme just as Victorian brown coal, all neded Gument support to get up & running.
telsor
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Pretty sure they were strongly against suggestions of damming the Mitchell river (both for water and hydro).
Not a lot of current cases because they've made sure all possible locations have been locked up already.
quick google search...2013 SHY...Dams bad.
http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/dams-not-answer-securing-australia’s-environmental-future
edit...greens water policy, aim number 1
Legislation and regulations that protect our catchments, rivers, wetlands, estuaries and groundwater systems, including a permanent prohibition on new large-scale dams on Australian rivers.
Maybe you should check the policies you're trying to defend before you make silly statements..
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Problem is these renewable schemes would need government support for ever.
Hydro is the cheapest form of energy.
Disgusting isn't it.
Where did I defend any policy? Which statement would you describe as silly?
I simply asked for clarification. Why do you consider that confrontational?
Logic? All power grids need the same basic development. Given the history of investment in Australia it would require Gument involvement.
The Dams are huge & costly. The supply infrastructure, like all power grids, is expensive to build & maintain. The Franklin scheme had lots of cost/benefit queries about it at the time.
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