The Terrorism Files - 2015, 2016

[medusala]

As it turns out, it is just criticisms of Israel that you think is jew bashing.

As it turns out you are talking complete and utter nonsense

Jew bashing is on the rise in Europe due to Muslim immigration, see the link above (and its not hard to google other stories)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/antisemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-Nazis

In the space of just one week last month, according to Crif, the umbrella group for France's Jewish organisations, eight synagogues were attacked. One, in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles, was firebombed by a 400-strong mob. A kosher supermarket and pharmacy were smashed and looted; the crowd's chants and banners included "Death to Jews" and "Slit Jews' throats". That same weekend, in the Barbes neighbourhood of the capital, stone-throwing protesters burned Israeli flags: "Israhell", read one banner.

 

[CM86]

Jew bashing has long been de rigueur among "progressive" sorts, the growing hatred and attacks on them in Europe are barely noticed now by the press.

Jew bashing is on the rise in Europe due to Muslim immigration, see the link above (and its not hard to google other stories)

So it has long been "de rigueur among the progressive sorts".
And the evidence of that... is that some Muslims hate Israelis?

I'll leave it there, you plate spinner.

 

[medusala]

So it has long been "de rigueur among the progressive sorts".
And the evidence of that... is that some Muslims hate Israelis?

I'll leave it there, you plate spinner.

Yawn.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...ti-semitism-is-anything-but-a-new-phenomenon/

Not untypical was Karl Marx himself, whose writings on “the Jewish Question” have, again, been tidied away from popular recollection. The grandson of two rabbis, he disliked all religions, but reserved a vehemence for Judaism that we never find in his writings on Christianity – about which he could be rather sentimental, though he deplored its corruption by the “Jewish spirit”. In 1844, the odious cadger wrote:

The essence of Judaism and the root of the Jewish soul is expediency and self-interest; the God of Israel is Mammon, who expresses himself in the lust for money. Judaism is the embodiment of anti-social attitudes.

A few apologists have tried to argue that their patriarch meant only wealthy Jewish financiers, not Jews in general, but their excuses don’t stack up. Listen to how Marx and Engels wrote of Poland’s Jews, then the poorest and most oppressed in Europe: “The Polish Jew-Usurer cheats, gives short weights, clips coins, engages in common swindling”.

 

[CM86]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Yawn.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...ti-semitism-is-anything-but-a-new-phenomenon/

Not untypical was Karl Marx himself, whose writings on “the Jewish Question” have, again, been tidied away from popular recollection. The grandson of two rabbis, he disliked all religions, but reserved a vehemence for Judaism that we never find in his writings on Christianity – about which he could be rather sentimental, though he deplored its corruption by the “Jewish spirit”. In 1844, the odious cadger wrote:

The essence of Judaism and the root of the Jewish soul is expediency and self-interest; the God of Israel is Mammon, who expresses himself in the lust for money. Judaism is the embodiment of anti-social attitudes.

A few apologists have tried to argue that their patriarch meant only wealthy Jewish financiers, not Jews in general, but their excuses don’t stack up. Listen to how Marx and Engels wrote of Poland’s Jews, then the poorest and most oppressed in Europe: “The Polish Jew-Usurer cheats, gives short weights, clips coins, engages in common swindling”.

As you note, because of his Jewish background (his father was Jewish as well as both grandfathers being rabbis, but he converted to Christianity to escape bigotry) Marx seemed at once removed and disgusted with what he saw of their business fortitude and their attitude towards making money.

"Money is the zealous one God of Israel" Marx once wrote, "beside which no other God may stand. Money degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal and self-constituted value set upon all things. It has therefore robbed the whole world, of both nature and man, of its original value. Money is the essence of man's life and work, which have become alienated from him. This alien monster rules him and he worships it. The God of the Jews has become secularised and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange."

Because of his familiarity with Jewish customs, he grew contemptuous of the whole shebang. Yes, that contempt became poisonous. Yes, it was neither fair nor proper to generalise against an entire people just because his own family might have been disagreeable arseholes (all conjecture, of course).

But it's plain to see Marx's own family history played a part in how his views were formed.

 

[Total Power]

The worst display of anti semitism i have seen (personal experience) was during the Israel Sweden davis cup match in Sweden, with thousands of Arabs shouting Jews out jews out outside the stadium and wont let Israel play. They needed 100 riot police to stop them, Jewish quarters were vandalised and jewish shops were looted. The match was eventually played in an empty stadium, what a shame.

 

[medusala]

As you note, because of his Jewish background (his father was Jewish as well as both grandfathers being rabbis, but he converted to Christianity to escape bigotry) Marx seemed at once removed and disgusted with what he saw of their business fortitude and their attitude towards making money.

Bit rich given Engel's background.

Someone on here used to use the phrase self hating Jew all the time (GJ?). Or someone else may put it "nothing worse than a reformed smoker".

Its always struck me as a bit odd that given the Jewish connection to communism anti Semitism has always been bubbling about with the left. Maybe just militant atheism?

Its absurd that people argue the left hasn't long had an anti Jewish bent, just as they absurdly attempt to argue national socialism wasn't socialism and that ISIL is somehow nothing to do with Islam.

The oddity in some ways is the IRA ie they were never really considered as Catholic terrorists despite the Church or sections of it giving a bit of assistance here and there. The old IRA IIRC had some pretty hard left chaps in it.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Someone on here used to use the phrase self hating Jew all the time (GJ?). Or someone else may put it "nothing worse than a reformed smoker".

Its always struck me as a bit odd that given the Jewish connection to communism anti Semitism has always been bubbling about with the left. Maybe just militant atheism?

Its absurd that people argue the left hasn't long had an anti Jewish bent, just as they absurdly attempt to argue national socialism wasn't socialism and that ISIL is somehow nothing to do with Islam.

I still wonder why Hitler hated socialists if he was one himself. Self-hating socialist? As for Judaism, besides their proficiency with almost all things mercantile making them easy targets when times are rough and people get even more jealous of success, I truly never understood why they got the shitty end of the stick from folk.

Historical anti-Semitism predates modern Israel by a long way and I've never understood exactly why.

The oddity in some ways is the IRA ie they were never really considered as Catholic terrorists despite the Church or sections of it giving a bit of assistance here and there. The old IRA IIRC had some pretty hard left chaps in it.

The Old IRA were pretty much Marxist. Sinn Fein is a Socialist party. Irish Republicanism has only been a majority-Catholic movement because of the demographics of the place. I can almost guarantee you that if Henry VIII had've gone meekly along with the Catholic Church's no-divorce policy and English Protestantism never arose, opposition to Occupation would have remained around the same level.

It would have been Catholic on Catholic and much blood would still have been spilled.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The worst display of anti semitism i have seen (personal experience) was during the Israel Sweden davis cup match in Sweden, with thousands of Arabs shouting Jews out jews out outside the stadium and wont let Israel play. They needed 100 riot police to stop them, Jewish quarters were vandalised and jewish shops were looted. The match was eventually played in an empty stadium, what a shame.

Ideally sport should remain apolitical. I could denounce Israel on a daily basis but I still understand that the above incident is wrong on so many levels.

 

[medusala]

As for Judaism, besides their proficiency with almost all things mercantile making them easy targets when times are rough and people get even more jealous of success, I truly never understood why they got the shitty end of the stick from folk..

Have you heard of a book called "When genius failed"? Its about LTCM and its collapse. If you had you would understand the level of contempt held by many for the business ethics of the Jewish investment banks involved and why (according to many) that Bear Stearns and more importantly Lehmans was allowed to fold.

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Irish Republicanism has only been a majority-Catholic movement because of the demographics of the place.

I disagree there. What about Parnell and Wolf Tone? There were quite a few protestants in the south but they were basically forced out after partition and unsurprisingly the Republican movement lost whatever protestant support it previously had.

Ideally sport should remain apolitical

Australia's boycotting sport against South Africa was a disgrace. I totally agree with you.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Have you heard of a book called "When genius failed"? Its about LTCM and its collapse. If you had you would understand the level of contempt held by many for the business ethics of the Jewish investment banks involved and why (according to many) that Bear Stearns and more importantly Lehmans was allowed to fold.

I'll have to look into that one. Cheers!

I disagree there. What about Parnell and Wolf Tone? There were quite a few protestants in the south but they were basically forced out after partition and unsurprisingly the Republican movement lost whatever protestant support it previously had.

Yeah, that was unfortunate. Before partition and the War of Independence and the Civil War though, the fact that there were Protestant Irish Republicans is telling. That Protestants later became distrusted and alienated only meant the Catholics did a great disservice to 'the cause'.

They shot themselves in the foot, really.

Having said THAT, even in modern-day Northern Ireland Protestant Republicans can rise to the top. Look at Billy Leonard. Protestant, former member of the Orange Order, R.U.C police reservist, AND Member of Ulster's Legislative Assembly for Sinn Fein in 2004.

Australia's boycotting sport against South Africa was a disgrace. I totally agree with you.

Heh. I suppose though, when an entity as devoid of worth as Apartheid South Africa wishes to take its place among civilised nations in the sporting arena but with their abhorrent political structure intact, I'd have to support their being frozen out of world affairs completely.

Then again though, if their all-white cricket side played a team like the West Indies they'd both be playing as equals (in common humanity if not in sporting ability). I doubt the Apartheid mindset would have been able to stomach losing to an 'inferior' race!

 

[Total Power]

According to Local.de 91% of Germans now want a greater police presence in the country. 82% said they want more CCTV's in public areas. Great job Germany, with another 4m to come this year i can only wish you luck, if s**t hits the fan i can always come back to Australia i guess lol

 

[Total Power]

Thats a pretty impressive report card on France...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-22/islamization-france-2015

The Dice Man, you are living in France, any thoughts?

 

[Malifice]

Bit rich given Engel's background.

Someone on here used to use the phrase self hating Jew all the time (GJ?). Or someone else may put it "nothing worse than a reformed smoker".

Its always struck me as a bit odd that given the Jewish connection to communism anti Semitism has always been bubbling about with the left. Maybe just militant atheism?

Its absurd that people argue the left hasn't long had an anti Jewish bent, just as they absurdly attempt to argue national socialism wasn't socialism and that ISIL is somehow nothing to do with Islam.

The oddity in some ways is the IRA ie they were never really considered as Catholic terrorists despite the Church or sections of it giving a bit of assistance here and there. The old IRA IIRC had some pretty hard left chaps in it.

The left are bigots and antisemetic now? If you want to see antisemitism head to Stormfront and see how the hard right view Jewish peeps.

Or just chill out in a UKIP meeting.

Can you give me an example of antisemitism from the left? Cause I can give you dozens from the right. Including the holocaust of course.

Cue you making some absurd claim that the Nazis were left wing.

 

[Total Power]

Can you give me an example of antisemitism from the left? .

Knowing you have a UK passport, what are your thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn?

 

[Malifice]

Knowing you have a UK passport, what are your thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn?

I'll probably vote for Cameron.

How come?

 

[Total Power]

I'll probably vote for Cameron.

How come?

In a different context, left wing politician who hates jews and sympathises with anti semitic groups.

 

[Total Power]

So it looks like end is near for Schengen, who would have thought? ultimately we pay the price for Grand Mufti Merkels policies.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Your point was that more Muslims think the intentional killing of civilians can be justfied. This patently is not true.

Face it, a disturbing number of peeps the world over think 'the intentional targetting of civilians by bombing them' is sometimes justified. Muslims are not alone in this - in fact they seem to be slightly under the world average in agreeing with this statement.

Its one thing to be critical of ISIL and critical of Islam. Its another thing to swallow the Islamophobic Kool aid and start demonizing all Muslims.

Plenty to be critical of with Islam. Tarring Muslims as all somehow being 'more prone to condone the killing of civilians' isnt either a valid or true criticism.

Non-Muslims are perhaps more comfortable with or think 'the intentional targettng of civilians by bombing them' because they consider terrorists to be civilian or that they are more inclined to be hidden in plain site within the civilian populace.

Allied troops are clearly delineated by their uniforms, their intended targets aren't.

 

[Power Raid]

The U.S designated them as 'enemy combatants' so they could side-step some of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of Prisoners of War. In fairness though, I don't think Russia even bothers labelling whatever group/s they've been bombing these last few decades. They just kill. I think the Ossetian War was the only time they've gone openly mano a mano against another nation (Georgia) where by-the-law P.O.Ws were taken. The Novorossiyan War of Independence is a proxy fight, and direct Russian intervention is harder to pin to them outright.

U.S just love their public relations is all, I guess.

I'm not sure the US is a signatory to the geneva convention, so that wouldn't be a driver.

But you're right that soldiers and civilians do have rights but a civilian that takes up arms has no rights.

 

[Malifice]

In a different context, left wing politician who hates jews and sympathises with anti semitic groups.

What are you on about?

He's critical of Israel, and its actions in occupied Palestine, not of Jews. Just like how one can be critical of ISIL or Saudi Arabia and not all Muslims.

Can you not tell the difference? Plenty to be critical of with Israel..

 

[Total Power]

What are you on about?

He's critical of Israel, and its actions in occupied Palestine, not of Jews. Just like how one can be critical of ISIL or Saudi Arabia and not all Muslims.

Can you not tell the difference? Plenty to be critical of with Israel..

Being critical of Israel is not like saying Hamas and Hezbollah are "friends". Sorry mate but you are way off here. Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah are good guys?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

 

[Total Power]

Better article here,

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

 

[Total Power]

Poll of British Jews

 

[Malifice]

Poll of British Jews

Jews are critical of a bloke who likens Israeli actions to those of the Nazis in WW2, and who supports Palestinian autonomy and kicking Jewish settlers out of the occupied territories. Rather unsuprising.

Being critical of Israel is not like saying Hamas and Hezbollah are "friends". Sorry mate but you are way off here. Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah are good guys?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

Dont get me wrong, Hamas are engaged in some bad s**t. But how is opening dialogue with them any worse than doing the same thing to Israel. Theyre the elected majority party are they not?

Hamas kill people (including kids), but so do the Israelies. If you can be critical of Hamas (and you surely can), then why cant someone be critical of Israel? If US and UK leaders can declare themselves friends of Israel, why doesnt the opposite apply re Hamas?

Now can you find me something antisemetic he's said please?

Before you answer here are the UN resolutions against Iran (a nation you no doubt consider to be the 'bad' guys). Now here are the ones regarding Israel.

Remind me again who are the 'good' guys? One of those nations is a rogue nuclear state that engages in genocide and unlawful occupation of a foreign people and land and is governed according to religious law.

The other one is Iran.