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Just doing a google on Stormfront now, I have never heard of them before now, are they are the new KKK ?

Nice try. Im not fooled.

You are quick to to label anyone with a different view to you as a supporter of a Nazi party but the socialist alliance has more in common Nazi party with their violent assaults on any one who opposes their weird and wacky views.

That must be why the Neo-Nazis are always having friendly chat with the Green Alliance after rallies in the city and not sharing beers with their UPF and Reclaim mates.

/Sarcasm.

Fascists are Right wingers. Right wing ultra-nationalists. Just like the Nazis.

But anyway, this is a thread to discuss terrorism. Unless youre suggesting Reclaim or the Socialist alliance are terrorists, its not for this thread.
 
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Umm errr aaaaa a nuclear strike on Russia woud not end the war against ISIL, it would quickly lead to Syria/Iraq/Libya being turned into a giant parking lot in about 15 minutes.

Breaking news: ISIL are a doomsday group. They arent opposed to a global nuclear war.

You might want to read: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Apparently a few peeps in this thread think 'Using nukes to kill a hundred thousand civilians is OK - but only if it serves a strategic purpose.'

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.

Following takfiri doctrine, the Islamic State is committed to purifying the world by killing vast numbers of people... The Islamic State has its share of worldly concerns (including, in the places it controls, collecting garbage and keeping the water running), but the End of Days is a leitmotif of its propaganda.

ISIL are fundamentally attempting to bring about the 'end of days'. The final 'day of judgement' when the 'Madhi' appears. Nuclear apocalypse would work just fine.
 

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Breaking news: ISIL are a doomsday group. They arent opposed to a global nuclear war.

You might want to read: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Apparently a few peeps in this thread think 'Using nukes to kill a hundred thousand civilians is OK - but only if it serves a strategic purpose.'



ISIL are fundamentally attempting to bring about the 'end of days'. The final 'day of judgement' when the 'Madhi' appears. Nuclear apocalypse would work just fine.

The strategy was to protect the estimated million allied lives it would cost to bring the war to an end. Plus also a nice determent to Russia.
 

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Nice try. Im not fooled.



That must be why the Neo-Nazis are always having friendly chat with the Green Alliance after rallies in the city and not sharing beers with their UPF and Reclaim mates.

/Sarcasm.

Fascists are Right wingers. Right wing ultra-nationalists. Just like the Nazis.

But anyway, this is a thread to discuss terrorism. Unless youre suggesting Reclaim or the Socialist alliance are terrorists, its not for this thread.


Well you are the mod so you must know.

I'm still scratching my head wondering why any one would with half a brain would want to go to a kkk site like that and why the hell would you would you label me a kkk, i'm sure your way of thinking would come up with some reason. Goodnight.
 
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The strategy was to protect the estimated million allied lives it would cost to bring the war to an end. Plus also a nice determent to Russia.

You would also support ISIL bombing tens of thousands of Russian women and kids to 'bring Russias war against ISIL to an end', to 'save ISIL lives', and to 'deter Russia and the USA from further military action against ISIL'?

If not, why not? Why is one lot of mass killing of civilians OK for this exact reason, and another mass killing of civilians for the exact same reasons, not?

If you feel uncomfortable thinking about this last question (and what it says about your own ability to justify the mass murder of civilians using identical justification as what ISIL supporters use to justify their own mass murder), then stop and think about that for a bit.
 

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You would also support ISIL bombing tens of thousands of Russian women and kids to 'bring Russias war against ISIL to an end', to 'save ISIL lives', and to 'deter Russia and the USA from further military action against ISIL'?

If not, why not? Why is one lot of mass killing of civilians OK for this exact reason, and another mass killing of civilians for the exact same reasons, not?

If you feel uncomfortable thinking about this last question (and what it says about your own ability to justify the mass murder of civilians using identical justification as what ISIL supporters use to justify their own mass murder), then stop and think about that for a bit.

The two situations are not comparable as much as you are trying to make them. Try again.
 

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If this doctrine of self-defense was applied universally, the planet would be a heap of craters.

But they dont mean it to be universal. They want wealthy Western countries to have the right to attack pre-emptively (i.e. Hiroshima), and other poor countries to sit there and cop it.

Wow, just wow.
 

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Oh btw, stop being a baa baa sheep and believe Russia did anything to ISIS
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I didn't realise the Russians were in and out of Syria within the same day :drunk:
 

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You rationalised the vaporising of 100,000 civilians as necessary and a good PR directive aimed the Russia, but you deny the right of other countries to pre-emptively defend against the West.

100,000 of them is better than 1,000,000 of us, that is what it comes down to. If you didn't hate yourself and your nation then you would agree.

Its war, not a picnic in the park.
 
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100,000 of them is better than 1,000,000 of us, that is what it comes down to.If you didn't hate yourself and your nation then you would agree.
This philosophy is best suited in Islamic State or other inhuman organisations. I can only hope it isnt shared by diplomats around the world.

100,000 people turned to goo, birth defects and illnesses for centuries rationalised away.
 

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This philosophy is best suited in Islamic State or other inhuman organisations. I can only hope it isnt shared by diplomats around the world.

100,000 people turned to goo, birth defects and illnesses for centuries rationalised away.

What a shame they didn't have you back then to end the war. I am sure you would of had much better ideas.
 

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If this doctrine of self-defense was applied universally, the planet would be a heap of craters.

But they dont mean it to be universal. They want wealthy Western countries to have the right to attack pre-emptively (i.e. Hiroshima), and other poor countries to sit there and cop it.
Where was this pre-emptive strike you are talking about? I am pretty sure that the attack on Pearl Harbor happened before Hiroshima. However, I do agree that no one can justify nuking innocent civillians just because countries are at war!
 
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Just a little something Japan did not have at its disposal.

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Neither do ISIL. And theyre at war with the USA and Russia as well.

So again, make the case why they're different. How can you support the mass bombing or killing of civilians when the West do it, but condemn it when ISIL do it?

You're not alone by the way. Peeps in the west think killing of civilians is justified far more often than MENA countries in the ME do.

Im curious. None of your reasons justifyin the mass murder of civilians differs from the justification used by ISIL.

Its an important question. If you think about it long enough, you might be able to understand the mindset of people who kill civilians for 'the greater good' (which is always the reason by the way). You're actively using this argument right here in this thread yourself.
 

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Neither do ISIL. And theyre at war with the USA and Russia as well.

So again, make the case why they're different. How can you support the mass bombing or killing of civilians when the West do it, but condemn it when ISIL do it?

You're not alone by the way. Peeps in the west think killing of civilians is justified far more often than MENA countries in the ME do.

Im curious. None of your reasons justifyin the mass murder of civilians differs from the justification used by ISIL.

Its an important question. If you think about it long enough, you might be able to understand the mindset of people who kill civilians for 'the greater good' (which is always the reason by the way). You're actively using this argument right here in this thread yourself.

I can not make it any clearer, you just don't want to understand.
 
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I can not make it any clearer, you just don't want to understand.

Youre not making it clear at all.

Assume the Nazis developed nukes first and decided to end British resistance by nuking London in WW2 rather than engage in Operation Sea Lion.

Same reasons. Save lives; avoid a mass sea invasion, deter Soviet aggression. Britain declared war on Germany first remember.

Based on your logic in this thread alone, you would support that right?

If not, why?
 

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Youre not making it clear at all.

Assume the Nazis developed nukes first and decided to end British resistance by nuking London in WW2 rather than engage in Operation Sea Lion.

Same reasons. Save lives; avoid a mass sea invasion, deter Soviet aggression. Britain declared war on Germany first remember.

Based on your logic in this thread alone, you would support that right?

If not, why?

Your example is not remotely close to the current situation with Isis. However you don't went to see that. I give up.
 
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Your example is not remotely close to the current situation with Isis. However you don't went to see that. I give up.

Think about it. And then you might understand how the ISIL blokes justify such atrocities. Its always for 'the greater good' (as every atrocity is).

My argument is that both atrocities were atrocities, and neither is to be preferred over the other, and neither can be justified.

Its just a thought experiment to have you critically examining why (or how) you can justify the conduct of people who commit atrocities (the deliberate killing of women and kids in the tens of thousands) yet condemn others for justifying the conduct of people who commit atrocities.

As a hint, you're both using the same logic. Youre just barracking for a different team.
 
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