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Good breakdown!

So looking over it ruck is horrible one of the worst depth charts in the league Naismith and Nankervis would want to kick on or have we got a couple of curries- pyke and drex are serviceable options at best this is our weakest area

Tall forwards- left Reid out and put him in utilities i notice, hope horse does the same or better yet moves him to the defence list, pretty good area though as silly as it sounds sometimes feels like the money for the 2 guns could be spent on four really good key forwards for instance. Can anyone who has seen Davis see him developed as a key defender in the future? I would probably put old 2015 goodes in this list possibly though guess he does not play tall.

Small forwards- id argue this mcglynn is a midfielder now and id swap him into that group and brandon jack here, as thats the only way i see brandon jack in the seniors, this area is basically where we rest a midfielder, unless hiscox is a gun small forward we dont have one.


Defenders > 192cm
2 good players and should be ok for 2015 though as many say Teds decline is of concern. But with AJ basically off this list the depth is bare, which it was this year lets face it, LRT and Walsh were spuds in 2014, better hope for no injuries at all. Need to get some games into XR and Aliir at some stage this year IMO


Defenders <191cm not a bad list if they keep developing and shaw can hold on some how as far as depth goes its ok, losing malceski hurts of course, wonder if Mcveigh will be back there? but still not our worst area of depth though a guy like Rohan who showed promise late is affected rightly or wrongly in my mind by his last game... so i have a concern over those types

Midfielders- didnt worry about their heights this obviously our best depth area, though hope kids like heeney hewett and co have a bit of zip as we have a few plodders in there, suspect some of this group have to be prepared to be half back options and or goal kicking options to fill the side, but this is an area of strength now and looks promising for the future imo. Jetta last :p not sure if deliberate but on his last game id add a space before his name if it is in order. :p

Utilities

Goodes yeah pity its not goodes from 3 years ago at least, Reid as a utility implies he is useful, towers gets a bum rap round here but he could come good. Id move Reid back

Im not totally worried about the midfield ( still very young ) even though they did get a touch up at times ( From Hawks more so ) , still think its one of the best in the comp if not the best.

I do agree that It lacks pace and a little class and we might have a few of the same types but I think we will add to that midfield with Mitchell ( I know he doesn't add speed but at least we can say his hands are elite/class ) and Heeney/Hewett . No clue who they drop.

Im pretty excited to see Heeney and I know he has not even played a game at AFL LEVEL but imo he will be a jet and will make an impact straight of the bat.
The kid just has it all
Contested marking
Very good clearance player and his break away speed from the contest is something else and something we really dont have atm.
Lays Tackles and loves the hard ball much like Mitchell.
He seems to pride himself on his ball use on both sides of his body and it shows ( this is the big thing for me ), he kicks extremely well on both sides and not because he is coming to us but imo he has the best skills out of any of the mids in this years draft.
He is the complete mid , plays inside and out and at 187cm 85kg he is ready to roll.
Now go do it all at AFL level please :p. Lets hope he can

Hewett is ready imo to , another one with skills on both sides and stands at 185cm

Defence has issues as we know ( Ted getting on 32 and not much depth atm in the KD area ) and will Reid move back or will Horse continue him forward , your thoughts ?. Would need every bit of the pre season to get ready.

Still think McVeigh will play multiple roles and not just be cemented at HB but if he is I still think he uses the ball better than Mal anyway coming out of defence/kick outs etc ( Mal is a big loss though but it might make us less predicable ) and Shaw will be covered by Jones etc so im not to worried about him.

Rampe to Mals role is another thing we can look at ?

Will they play 2 rucks ? . No idea why some think I don't like Pyke I just think he needs more help much like 2013 when he was in very good form with the help from Mummy a sharing the ruck loads. Pyke is also 31 and I don't think we can let him shoulder as much as much next year as 2014 and Reid isn't a ruckmans arsehole.
Can Tippett help more or will they leave him at FF and take the pressure of Buddy/Goodes etc.
If there to play 2 rucks I would go with a Nankervis more so than a Derickx as he is a skilled big man and more so a 2nd ruck/forward with his contested marking ( which Horse seems to love and suits the high ball ) while forward. Doesn't mean he will not develop in a num 1 ruck.
If it was to happen I cant see Reid staying forward
 
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lol have some of you given the thought that just maybe Hawthorn are a once in a generation side? they have played in almost 4 grand finals in a row there is no shame in being second to them teams only got close to them during the year because of the adversary they had but once they get their best 22 in the side they are a whole new proposition.

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I don't think anything we could of done would of produced a winning result in the GF they were on a completely different level that day.
 
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Why we did not do it this year is beyond me but I have no comment or knowledge of whether an appeal would be successful anyway.

I wonder whether we will at all.
We sit down with the commission in December so im guessing we will hopefully know more by then.

I'd say not enough time for a hearing and to legally challenge it before the trade period started. Besides we weren't going to target anyone anyway because of salary cap being close to 100%.
 

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Personal opinion but I thought Aliir went well and truly went past XR before injury from my view from the 2s.

He got bagged on here when he was drafted but he actually has very good skills at TIMES , can kick on both sides which half our mids cant.

He has better skills than XR and seems to read the game just as well if not better , also very quick and provides much more rebound.

Both boys really need to work on there one on one body work as both were bullied by T Boyd at times and it will not get easier at the elite level.

Exciting to hear Aliir is showing a bit. His athleticism could make him a great attacking KPD.

A few weeks back I saw you do up several possibilities about how our defense COULD go into a game. You had about 4 and swapped in and threw around all that would be in consideration, including McVeigh and Reid, They were all pretty realistic and really, in my opinion showed some versatility. Gave me some confidence in the list. If the club thinks it will be vulnerable down back we always have the option of establishing Reid back there. And he projects as a reasonable defender. Even with a question mark on our full forward post. I'm confident the defense will hold. I think Reid will do more work in the back half however.

Will be interesting to see if the club looks at someone in PSD or a Warnock and agrees with the emergency in defense narrative going on in here.
 
lol have some of you given the thought that just maybe Hawthorn are a once in a generation side? they have played in almost 4 grand finals in a row there is no shame in being second to them teams only got close to them during the year because of the adversary they had but once they get their best 22 in the side they are a whole new proposition.

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I don't think anything we could of done would of produced a winning result in the GF they were on a completely different level that day.


Honestly i just think hawthorn are campaigners
 
Im not totally worried about the midfield even though they did get a touch up at times ( From Hawks more so ) , still think its one of the best in the comp if not the best.

I do agree that It lacks pace and a little class and we might have a few of the same types but I think we will add to that midfield with Mitchell ( I know he doesn't add speed but at least we can say his hands are elite/class ) and Heeney/Hewett . No clue who they drop.

Im pretty excited to see Heeney and I know he has not even played a game at AFL LEVEL but imo he will be a jet and will make an impact straight of the bat.
The kid just has it all
Contested marking
Very good clearance player and his break away speed from the contest is something else and something we really dont have atm.
Lays Tackles and loves the hard ball much like Mitchell.
He seems to pride himself on his ball use on both sides of his body and it shows ( this is the big thing for me ), he kicks extremely well on both sides and not because he is coming to us but imo he has the best skills out of any of the mids in this years draft.
He is the complete mid , plays inside and out and at 187cm 85kg he is ready to roll.
Now go do it all at AFL level please :p. Lets hope he can

Hewett is ready imo to , another one with skills on both sides and stands at 185cm

Defence has issues as we know ( Ted getting on 32 and not much depth atm in the KD area ) and will Reid move back or will Horse continue him forward , your thoughts ?. Would need every bit of the pre season to get ready.

Still think McVeigh will play multiple roles and not just be cemented at HB but if he is I still think he uses the ball better than Mal anyway coming out of defence/kick outs etc ( Mal is a big loss though but it might make us less predicable ) and Shaw will be covered by Jones etc so im not to worried about him.

Rampe to Mals role is another thing we can look at ?

Will they play 2 rucks ? . No idea why some think I don't like Pyke I just think he needs more help much like 2013 when he was in very good form with the help from Mummy a sharing the ruck loads. Pyke is also 31 and I don't think we can let him shoulder as much as much next year as 2014 and Reid isn't a ruckmans arsehole.
Can Tippett help more or will they leave him at FF and take the pressure of Buddy/Goodes etc.
If there to play 2 rucks I would go with a Nankervis more so than a Derickx as he is a skilled big man and more so a 2nd ruck/forward with his contested marking ( which Horse seems to love and suits the high ball ) while forward. Doesn't mean he will not develop in a num 1 ruck.
If it was to happen I cant see Reid staying forward


Reid for mine goes back full time from day one of pre season training because he is not worth his spot as a fwd/ruck at afl level on recent form and i mean since about 2012 and now that have better forward options, he can play and i think a man to stop will work better than him creating space and doing off the ball decoy work. Im not convinced he can read the play well enough to play that sort of role

I also like a back 6 where rampe is free from a 3rd tall role and mcveigh is more mid than back

Heeney i am excited about hope he lives up to the hype

Ruck is interesting pyke is a great 2nd ruck who goes forward but he needs help especially at his age. Tippett is a good ruckman but feels like moving him into the middle weakens the forward line

If they got rid of the sub rule ruck problem solved, not sure our coaches have learnt to cope with the sub rule yet :p
 

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lol have some of you given the thought that just maybe Hawthorn are a once in a generation side? they have played in almost 4 grand finals in a row there is no shame in being second to them teams only got close to them during the year because of the adversary they had but once they get their best 22 in the side they are a whole new proposition.

Not buying this. We can get our hands on the footy. We can get our hands on the cup.
 

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Not buying this. We can get our hands on the footy. We can get our hands on the cup.
Agree. We're still winning a third of the last 9. One of those was the big one in 2012 and the other was a complete hiding on their ground.

Take the last 8 leading up to the 2014 GF and we were 3 of 5 with Hawks just 5 points ahead of us on average over those games. If they're a once in a generation team then we're just a shade behind a once in a generation team. We should also take into account that we've been up and about in finals for a much longer period and, I expect, we'll be still up there long after they've gone into a rebuild phase.

Don't forget that WC had the wood on us for years too. We were always a bit behind them in the stats but managed to pinch a GF from them. Once they faded back into obscurity we kept going. We will again.
 
I'd say not enough time for a hearing and to legally challenge it before the trade period started. Besides we weren't going to target anyone anyway because of salary cap being close to 100%.

Yeh it might be just that - strategic silence because it didn't matter anyway. It still grinds my coffee beans though, sometimes you have o fight just on principle alone. Anyway they are smarter than me and undoubtedly calmer.
 
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Yeh it might be just that - strategic silence because it didn't matter anyway. It still grinds my coffee beans though, sometimes you have o fight just on principle alone. Anyway they are smarter than me and undoubtedly calmer.
Other thing is that if it was legally challenged, there's every possibility that the trade period would have been delayed until court proceedings have concluded. It was in the best interest of the club and the league to wear it on the chin this year. It's not going to stick next year and there will be compensation coming the Swans way.
 

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lol have some of you given the thought that just maybe Hawthorn are a once in a generation side? they have played in almost 4 grand finals in a row there is no shame in being second to them teams only got close to them during the year because of the adversary they had but once they get their best 22 in the side they are a whole new proposition.

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I don't think anything we could of done would of produced a winning result in the GF they were on a completely different level that day.

Maybe if we turned up to the ******* MCG for the game would have at least given us a chance.:rolleyes:

They are a very very good football team no doubt but don't put them on a pedestal that magnifies their greatness just yet. They are a well coached team with some great talent who get a ******* armchair ride from umpires week in week out. Would not have changed the result but some of the s**t they got away with GF Day was farcical.Some pundits over exaggerated our so called invincibility no doubt but there is not the gap between the 2 teams you are suggesting. We turn up GF day handle the blowtorch when it was applied half way through the first quarter instead of turning it up like we did and the result could have been very different. We were winning plenty of footy at that stage but the frustration and resentment of the physical pressure applied seen the cue put in the rack. Un Swans like,embarrassing, weak or what ever you want to call it but make no mistake there was no chasm between the 2 teams when it come to talent.

Clarkson was on record after the round 18 game as saying when these 2 teams play the result is never a given until the final siren because you have one team that may get a break then the other always comes roaring back. We never showed any fight that is what is most galling about the loss because even the premiership coach has acknowledged there is not much between the 2 teams. If it is ok with you John and with all due respect I will hang my hat on Clarkson's summation when it comes to my hopes for next year. I am confident but cautious at the same time. Hope we play 2nd fiddle all year and do exactly to them what they did to us.

Oh ! And stick it up every other dog club in the AFL and their dog supporters.
 

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Maybe if we turned up to the ******* MCG for the game would have at least given us a chance.:rolleyes:

They are a very very good football team no doubt but don't put them on a pedestal that magnifies their greatness just yet. They are a well coached team with some great talent who get a ******* armchair ride from umpires week in week out. Would not have changed the result but some of the s**t they got away with GF Day was farcical.Some pundits over exaggerated our so called invincibility no doubt but there is not the gap between the 2 teams you are suggesting. We turn up GF day handle the blowtorch when it was applied half way through the first quarter instead of turning it up like we did and the result could have been very different. We were winning plenty of footy at that stage but the frustration and resentment of the physical pressure applied seen the cue put in the rack. Un Swans like,embarrassing, weak or what ever you want to call it but make no mistake there was no chasm between the 2 teams when it come to talent.

Clarkson was on record after the round 18 game as saying when these 2 teams play the result is never a given until the final siren because you have one team that may get a break then the other always comes roaring back. We never showed any fight that is what is most galling about the loss because even the premiership coach has acknowledged there is not much between the 2 teams. If it is ok with you John and with all due respect I will hang my hat on Clarkson's summation when it comes to my hopes for next year. I am confident but cautious at the same time. Hope we play 2nd fiddle all year and do exactly to them what they did to us.

Oh ! And stick it up every other dog club in the AFL and their dog supporters.

Agree wholeheartedly.
I have seen us and other teams put pressure on Hawthorn and seen them lose the plot.
Controlling the ball (ie not bombing it to Buddy/Tippet with 3 defenders and Stevic) will help.
Manic pressure will help. Winning it out of the centre will help. Not leaving Mitchell and Hodge floating 10 metres behind the ruck will help.

Full on footy Swans style over 3 to 4 quarters will beat Hawks and all other teams.
This stuff about them being unbeatable is rubbish.

I've forgotten about GF 2014. An aberration - no need to keep whining about it as if the club changed character in 2 hours. It's a great kick up the @rse to players believing their own press.

Bring on 2015. I have never looked forward so much to seeing Buddy and the boys rip and tear.
 
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Honestly think we'll come out breathing fire, if Mitchell is not in the team come round 1 I'll lose my s**t, couldn't win a clearance of gf day, Mitchell is a specialist at that. I don't care who comes out but someone does, whether they plonk McVeigh into mals role an put Mitchell in McVeighs role or what, just make it happen, I want to see towers getting a game even if it's ahead of Reid, kids got promise an crazy pace, does ruck better than Reid too at least he puts his knees up
 

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The more I think of it the more I think there a slight chance of a mid year rebuild.

If were not seriously contending at mid season surely it's time to phase Richards, Pyke, Goodes, Shaw and maybe (don't hate me)... McVeigh out and get games into people like Naismith, Nankervis, Richards/Aliir, Hewett and Heeney.
 

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Personally, I think this whole thread is indicative of the problem. Boasting a 2015 flag at this stage is just arrogant. We are NOT premiership material until we work our asses off right through to the GF siren. This year, we believed our sh!t didn't smell leading into the Granny, and we got deservedly hammered for it. Until we show we are not soft when it counts, then no, we are not 2015 GF material until we are!
 

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Personally, I think this whole thread is indicative of the problem. Boasting a 2015 flag at this stage is just arrogant. We are NOT premiership material until we work our asses off right through to the GF siren. This year, we believed our sh!t didn't smell leading into the Granny, and we got deservedly hammered for it. Until we show we are not soft when it counts, then no, we are not 2015 GF material until we are!

It was One game.
We were dominant all year but listened to our own press.
The "problem" this club will have us if the players throw the towel in and part doom and gloom like some
 

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i don't think its that bad. Hawks wanted revenge for '12 and they got it - One All - on that front.
I think the Swans have got some great kids that will kick on and the support to make it happen.
Jones, Alir, Hewett, Heeney & Nankervis to name a few who will be pushing the regulars out next year.
I think the AFL have done us a favour in the long run. I don't buy all this crap the Hawks are so superior or we are falling off the pace. The GF rammed a few home truths about what is required, we need to take the medicine and come back stronger. If they, media, flip flaps, Hawks supporters, want to write us off - even better.
 

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Ok so I have deleted the last few off-topic posts in light of feedback from some of our members.

Opposition posters: we know not all of you are here to cause trouble, but it's bad forum etiquette to jump into a conversation on another team's board without first becoming acquainted with the topic. Even if you see a post by a Sydney supporter that you disagree with, it may not be the right time or place to question it, even if your intentions are good. Remember this is primarily a place for Swans supporters to talk footy. It'd be like one of us coming on to the Buddy rant thread on the Hawks board and pointing out that you guys have been able to improve your side since losing him. Might be technically right, but misses the point, and is obviously not going to get a welcoming reaction.

Sydney posters: Try to resist the temptation to have a crack at visitors if it's not warranted (unless you have a witty reply that you simply have to share with the rest of us), it just makes more work for us mods.
 

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It was One game.
We were dominant all year but listened to our own press.
The "problem" this club will have us if the players throw the towel in and part doom and gloom like some
Fair call. I wasn't actually being doom and gloom, just saying an arrogant approach, whether by players or supports, does not serve our purposes very well. FWIW, I think 2015 will be huge for us.
 

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Fair call. I wasn't actually being doom and gloom, just saying an arrogant approach, whether by players or supports, does not serve our purposes very well. FWIW, I think 2015 will be huge for us.

I think so too.
The one thing I like about Swans fans is that most of us don't eat our own at the drop of a hat - like I've seen with so many other clubs.
I have a default position - that each player is working their butt off for the club. Sure we can improve but it's not laziness or lack of effort.
We now have a potential advantage next year - as the Hawks did - an additional mental driver due to the embarrassment of the GF. Don't think you'll see the Swannies being pushed around next year.
Can't wait.
 
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