The ZOMG Online Poker is Rigged Thread

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Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

A mixture of luck, poor fortune, and some fairly bad play (My bustout hand of the Sunday Million was not pretty, and the perfect example of my LOL bad donkament play)

You still have given me no reason as to why it is in PokerStars best interest to have a crooked game.

Therefore we arent disagreeing, you just can come up with one logical reason as to why PokerStars would be favouring players from a specific geographic location.

Incidently, the people most likely to suck out are the ones who get their money in bad, so if you arguement was LOL Russians are bad at poker, I could have get your point.
 
Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

ashley12 said:
A mixture of luck, poor fortune, and some fairly bad play (My bustout hand of the Sunday Million was not pretty, and the perfect example of my LOL bad donkament play)

You still have given me no reason as to why it is in PokerStars best interest to have a crooked game.

Therefore we arent disagreeing, you just can come up with one logical reason as to why PokerStars would be favouring players from a specific geographic location.

Incidently, the people most likely to suck out are the ones who get their money in bad, so if you arguement was LOL Russians are bad at poker, I could have get your point.
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NO ONE IS MORE LUCKIER THEN A RUSSIAN PLAYING POKERSTARS...

AND ITS THAT LUCK I QUESTION, AFTER SEEING IT OCCUR SO MANY TIMES OVER SO LONG... WATCH THIS WEEKS MILLIONS LAST HOUR AND CHECK IT OUT...

and also, its just bizarre that i have a rating below 60 on pokerstars, when in real life im above 80 minimum...


one day we'll play heads up ashley and see who is superior... gl tonight at burswood, i bet u do better then u would playing pokerstars...
 
Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

I may be making a trip to Melbourne later this year.

Willing to play HU for any amount for between $1k-$5k depending on what your looking for, provided I get action at PLO and NLHE. Either live 2/5 200bb deep or $500 freezeouts or whatever.

Might even offer you odds

Let me know.
 

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Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

ashley12 said:
I found ReidFactor's account on 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/bring-russians-1179813/
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MAN your just too good Ashley12, you found me, lol....

come on brah, im not the only one in this world who isnt blinded...

you will come to see over time that i was right...
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Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

That youtube video of the guy getting smashed on the river by Russian players every time is just gold.

In regards to my previous comments on the random dealing of hole and community card, I am also not suggesting that they are altered post flop, simply that rather than being random, they are predefined to entice betting.

It would make sense to use an algorithm to deal cards to players that promote's betting, calling and raising. Not to any predefined person, position, or country, but simply to entice the expedient completion of the game, because thats were the money is for the site.

Because real people are betting, calling, raising and folding based on their interpretation of their cards and the game, the result isn't rigged for any predefined person.

I have never investigated how these sites are legislated, or cards dealt because I play out of interest not necessarily to make money, even though every time I play, I am playing to win.

It does always amazes me both how good and bad I can run heads up on the final table with either absolute shizzle or the Nuts hand after hand.
 
Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

Actually I just realised.

Since I am neither Russian or Canadian, PokerStars will not be rigged for me, so we can actually get this done online. Saves me having to go to Melbourne to not get a game up.
 
ppg05 said:
Let's be honest, this is a HU thread...
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True.

But if people want to discuss whether online poker is fixed, or they are getting rorted, that is fine, I have no problem with that. I do however, think that we should be separating those discussions from actual poker discussion, how hands were played, optimal lines, and deep run sweats.

Having a separate thread saves anyone not wanting to read incessant "discussion" on the topic from having too.

That said, if anyone does want to talk about whether there are problems with the purity of poker website such as PokerStars, then they will need to actually show some sort of evidence over a significant sample, and address questions anyone on the other side of the arguement may present, without making it a personal attack on the other person.

Any posts by anyone in either the MicroMillions or the other online thread regarding the quality control at Stars will be moved here.
 
Why don't you move to Russie and make millions?

I had a friend who was convinced that the Big Wheel at Crown was rigged to land on the 1-1 more often than not. He couldn't answer me when I asked why does he still bet on the 5-1 if he knows the 1-1 is the winner?

Some people just don't get it, and Reidfactor you just don't get it. You will continue to fund the poker economy your entire life, convinced your owed something.
 
JuddsABlue said:
Why don't you move to Russie and make millions?

I had a friend who was convinced that the Big Wheel at Crown was rigged to land on the 1-1 more often than not. He couldn't answer me when I asked why does he still bet on the 5-1 if he knows the 1-1 is the winner?

Some people just don't get it, and Reidfactor you just don't get it. You will continue to fund the poker economy your entire life, convinced your owed something.
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im a winning player in real life judds an eagle-blue!!! i bet you believe that carlton are just paying judd what they declared to the afl... lol...

the only thing i think im owed is a fair go, and on pokerstars this doesnt happen...

lol, crowns big wheel, classic...
 

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this is one of my favourite jokerstars programmed hands.. lol, see it all the time, but im sure its random.. oh and the canadian wins it... as they or the russian usually do...


PokerStars Hand #77427924440: Tournament #564020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2012/03/18 20:50:11 ET
Table '564020010 620' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BaDoomGaDunk (299388 in chips)
Seat 2: JonnYMcMuff1 (50412 in chips)
Seat 3: Turkyilmaz (139768 in chips)
Seat 4: bv97 (371177 in chips)
Seat 5: kvista (90895 in chips)
Seat 6: Rens02 (259503 in chips)
Seat 7: smokrokflock (650000 in chips)
Seat 8: Valdem2010 (253698 in chips)
Seat 9: M. Staszko (486948 in chips)
BaDoomGaDunk: posts the ante 1000
JonnYMcMuff1: posts the ante 1000
Turkyilmaz: posts the ante 1000
bv97: posts the ante 1000
kvista: posts the ante 1000
Rens02: posts the ante 1000
smokrokflock: posts the ante 1000
Valdem2010: posts the ante 1000
M. Staszko: posts the ante 1000
kvista: posts small blind 5000
Rens02: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
smokrokflock: folds
Valdem2010: folds
M. Staszko: raises 10000 to 20000
BaDoomGaDunk: raises 23775 to 43775
JonnYMcMuff1: folds
Turkyilmaz: raises 94993 to 138768 and is all-in
bv97: folds
kvista: folds
Rens02: folds
M. Staszko: raises 231232 to 370000
BaDoomGaDunk: calls 254613 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (71612) returned to M. Staszko
*** FLOP *** [6c 4s 8d]
*** TURN *** [6c 4s 8d] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [6c 4s 8d 3h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
M. Staszko: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
BaDoomGaDunk: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
BaDoomGaDunk collected 319240 from side pot
Turkyilmaz: shows [Qh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
BaDoomGaDunk collected 440304 from main pot
Turkyilmaz finished the tournament in 290th place and received $631.97.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 759544 Main pot 440304. Side pot 319240. | Rake 0
Board [6c 4s 8d 3h 9d]
Seat 1: BaDoomGaDunk showed [Ad As] and won (759544) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: JonnYMcMuff1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Turkyilmaz showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: bv97 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kvista (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Rens02 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: smokrokflock folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Valdem2010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: M. Staszko showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings

i was surprised they did this staszko to be honest, as he is one of there own, perhaps he's already won enough outta the partnership.. lol
 
i was playing a live tournament the other day

i had 44 on the button - everyone limped around to me - i raised cant remember how much - not important

it then went fold , fold, fold, reraise , shove , over shove , i fold , reraiser calls

3 way all in

QQ
KK
AA

dont forget i had 44


ZOMG burswood rigged it !!

also that night saw AA v KK a few times

and my favourite rigged hand of the night on a cash table

was KK v AQ v A10 - 3 way all in preflop that rolled out 3 ,4, 5, 6, 7 for a 3 way split

rigged for the rakez !!!11!!

lol
 
When I get time I am going to post a bunch of cooler hands on here.

- Hellmuth hand with AA vs AA and KK

- AA, KK, QQ cooler from some Euro TV show

- JJQ in the WSOP this year in a HU pot

- JRB runner runner suckout against a Russian (lol)

etc...

As you can tell with the HH you posted, hand #77427924440 they have dealt, there is going to be the odd cold-deck hand in there every now and again.

Why they would rig against their own TeamMembers is beyond me.
 
if you guys think these AA KK QQ hands happen just as much in the real world i think theres no hope for you clowns... come on

you know why they are on youtube and have so many hits, because they are extremely rare in live play...


You guys are blind...
 
lol another bad beat to a russian player... lucky jokerstars aint getting my money ever again, freerolls is all im playing.. i am programmed to lose, but im delusional i know... just unlucky again hey guys...

PokerStars Hand #77437973966: Tournament #529491701, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level V (50/100) - 2012/03/19 4:38:42 ET
Table '529491701 387' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MUJOJNA (1010 in chips)
Seat 2: raMkeee (10642 in chips)
Seat 3: Cal070707 (6509 in chips)
Seat 4: Allexx30 (13918 in chips)
Seat 5: slotsmachine (8024 in chips)
Seat 6: stropilici (8536 in chips)
Seat 7: swans05 (2168 in chips)
Seat 8: zonino1 (3419 in chips)
Seat 9: buzecu (4500 in chips)
MUJOJNA: posts the ante 20
raMkeee: posts the ante 20
Cal070707: posts the ante 20
Allexx30: posts the ante 20
slotsmachine: posts the ante 20
stropilici: posts the ante 20
swans05: posts the ante 20
zonino1: posts the ante 20
buzecu: posts the ante 20
raMkeee: posts small blind 50
Cal070707: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swans05 [Ac Ad]
Allexx30: raises 300 to 400
slotsmachine: folds
stropilici: calls 400
swans05: raises 1748 to 2148 and is all-in
zonino1: folds
buzecu: folds
MUJOJNA: calls 990 and is all-in
raMkeee: folds
Cal070707: folds
Allexx30: calls 1748
stropilici: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 5s 6s]
*** TURN *** [7s 5s 6s] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [7s 5s 6s 2s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Allexx30: shows [Jc As] (a flush, Ace high)
swans05: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Allexx30 collected 2316 from side pot
MUJOJNA: shows [Qd 8c] (high card King)
Allexx30 collected 3700 from main pot
Allexx30 said, ")))))))))))))))))"
swans05 said, "nh russian player"
swans05 finished the tournament in 4655th place
MUJOJNA finished the tournament in 4656th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6016 Main pot 3700. Side pot 2316. | Rake 0
Board [7s 5s 6s 2s Kh]
Seat 1: MUJOJNA (button) showed [Qd 8c] and lost with high card King
Seat 2: raMkeee (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Cal070707 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Allexx30 showed [Jc As] and won (6016) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: slotsmachine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: stropilici folded before Flop
Seat 7: swans05 showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: zonino1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: buzecu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
reidfactor said:
if you guys think these AA KK QQ hands happen just as much in the real world i think theres no hope for you clowns... come on

you know why they are on youtube and have so many hits, because they are extremely rare in live play...


You guys are blind...
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no sir, you are just foolish.

Online you are going to see waaay more suckouts purely based on the fact that way more hands are played per hour than live.

You really need to think things through reid...it really is simple.
 
reidfactor said:
if you guys think these AA KK QQ hands happen just as much in the real world i think theres no hope for you clowns... come on

you know why they are on youtube and have so many hits, because they are extremely rare in live play...


You guys are blind...
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Nope, because.....

dougthelegend said:
no sir, you are just foolish.

Online you are going to see waaay more suckouts purely based on the fact that way more hands are played per hour than live.

You really need to think things through reid...it really is simple.
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This.

You can only one table live, at a maximum at a casino with a shufflemaster of about 30-35 hands per hour.

Online, you can 24 table (I dont, but plenty of people can) at tables running 100+ hands an hour.

Obviously there are going to be more cooler hands, just as much as you are going to get AA and 72o more online then live.

Im pretty sure it was Annette Obrestad (Annette15) that claimed to have played more hands in a month then Doyle had lifetime. Which would have been very close to true. And it is no disrespect to Doyle or any of the older rounder types like Chip Reese etc... but obviously a relatively smart kid like an Annette or Tony Dunst or Durrrr or whoever is going to learn a lot faster over all these hands and all the learning tools out their today then those playing way back when.

ReidFactor, its not up to us to tell you what you want to believe, whether it be that PokerStars is rigged, the bogeyman lives under your bed, or that ashley12 isnt a braindead idiot. But if you continue to make accusations based on a half a dozen hand sample size (compared to the over 70 billion hands that PokerStars have dealt) thats up to you.

Also, you havent addressed...

- How Pokerstars would benefit to give an advantage purely to Russian /Canadien players over the rest of the playing field
- How come they have never been caught yet by the clever cookies over at 2+2 or pocket 5s that uncovered the UB and Absolute scandals years ago
- Why they would rig it against Martin Stazko, a Pokerstars Team Pro
- Why they would rig it purely against you, compared to Ash12 hands which are just bad play, or any other player from either Australia
or NZ or whatever
- Why anyone would stand to benefit from rigging a zero-sum game such as poker

If you cant answer those questions, that Pokerstars even have a motive for keeping a sensational, way to good for all of us, all knowing, all conquering, master of the universe player such as yourself down to below breakeven, then really, what are you trying to argue?
 
i believe 100% im programmed to lose, thats all i give a damn about, 8 years of bad beats to the biggest donks on the planet(mainly russians) has proven this to me...


now to me that is RIGGED!!

The only reason i continued to play was because i was addicted to the chance of becoming rich overnight. but now i've realised this chance only exists for the choosen few, imo...

i know so many good players who have so much money to this scam site... and i bet my last dollar you do as well ashley.

ITS ONLINE POKER!! COMPUTER GENERATED GAMBLING, there are ways to rig it, just like there are ways to hack into into anything... people can be bought, companies can be hacked.. its happened on other poker sites(which u agree on), IT MOST LIKELY IS HAPPENING HERE..

I think pokerstars probably have files on who is most likely to keep re depositing, so they make those players the losing ones... but they disguise it so well, it fools the average redneck with half a brain...

hell i've been a sucker for so long...

ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE TRUTH IS REVEALED...

Once again ashley,

ITS ON LINE POKER, nothing is fully safe on a COMPUTER!!
 
I guess you also keep all of your money bundled up under your bed because banks operate online right?

There are many unsafe things about the internet and yes it is possible for pokerstars or other online sites to create RNGs that favour different players, but its also possible that today the Commonwealth Bank is going to say stuff it and close up its doors and take all the money they have to a little island and live like kings.

The point here is, there is no logical reason for them to do this. There is no advantage in helping Russians win online, or any other nationality. People are degenerate enough already, they dont need help from an extremely complicated RNG to twist them into gambling more. Land base casinos have been doing this since the dawn of gambling. People will naturally continue to deposit and lose money, its in our nature.

Why would Pokerstars risk themselves to such massive exposure and risk for no reason? If anything suss happened at all they are risking the entire demise of their goldmine just to keep some Russians happy? That idea is more ludacris than yours.

Behind all the fancy software and millions of hands, there are a few men operating a profitable business who has so much more to lose than anybody else if the site was dodgy. They have strict laws and 3rd party testing to adhere to just to get a licence.

You are seriously tin foil hat material, and I understand no amount of sense in the world is enough to crack through your rock skull so I'll end it here.
 
Re: Online Poker Content/HH thread

ashley12 said:
Okay, hypothetical situation ReidFactor...

PokerStars IS rigged for Russians (again, hypothetically)...

What is in it for them to run a crooked site? Where do they benefit?
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reidfactor said:
russian population

143 million approx

if russian players are seen to be doing well, then more customers heading pokerstars way..
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What a larf. Russians are some of the best ATMs there are. Get AK/AQ/AJ and bet, bet, bet. Fold when they raise their random 2 pair with ace rags on the turn/river unless you improve to 2 pr+ yourself. They never lay down Ace rag when the A hits. (Yeah, generalisation I know).
 
Ried factor, I play online and live and they are 2 totally different animals but in both cases pocket anything can win or lose I see 22 beat AA all the time.with the hand your complaining about you should have called and folded on the flop.The flop determines the hand just as much as the river.If you had called you would have folded and kept playing.I hope you see how you played this hand was wrong you took an each way bet instead of a safe call try it next time.We all get donked thats poker..get over it.See you at the tables and good luck.:)
 
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