Tony still a Pom? All he needs to do is show a piece of paper to clear it up.

[Gough]

We should seek to have him deported. In stocks.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I'd just find it hilarious if he is/was actually an illegitimate government, after all of his bullshit against Gillard.

Would he be fined? I don't know of the precedent for this sort of situation.
But I guess there must be a reason they are so desperate to hide it.

I think it's like a 100 pound (thats how long it's been on the books) fine for each day he sat in parliament whilst ineligible which I think is something like over 1000 days at this point.

Most of the precedents never took their seat before it went to a by election.

 

[The Coup]

Why on earth are we taking questions raised by some blogger who has named himself after a fictional planet seriously?

If the rabid frothing ranting I was reading about this yesterday is any guide, there would be no point releasing any documents as they wouldn't be accepted as genuine anyway.

Some people just need to accept that, like him or not, Abbott was elected, he is currently Prime Minister, and that isn't going to change until the next election or the Libs decide to change it.

The Liberal Party have a habit of doing this.

Eric Abetz, of the Abetz family known and convicted for sending Jewish people to death camps, for example was unconstitutionally in Parliament under the Howard government and didn't renounce his German citizenship until 2010, some 14 years after he first took office.

So yeah it's a good idea to make sure the constitution is being followed. I'd also suggest the next part of section 44 about not deriving financial benefit is more important, but we would seriously have no Liberal Party left.

 

[The Coup]

I think he might have a hefty fine for sitting in parliament when ineligible for nearly 20 years, plus all of the things he charged to the taxpayer over the years. You'd have to cancel his parliamentary pension ect. and it would be Tony's own fault as he would have signed something to say that he was eligible to stand when in fact he wasn't and he really has no excuse after Sue vs Hill.

Whilst it seems like a trivial thing the ramifications could be quite severe given the time frames that could be involved.

Didn't happen to Abetz. Once it's sorted out there's nothing you can retroactively.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Didn't happen to Abetz. Once it's sorted out there's nothing you can retroactively.

Abetz never went to a by election though did he? Also his case might have to do with German nationality laws that don't apply to Abbott who only needed to submit a standard form.

 

[The Coup]

Abetz never went to a by election though did he? Also his case might have to do with German nationality laws that don't apply to Abbott who only needed to submit a standard form.

It was in the lead up to the 2010 election that it came out, thanks to a blogger. When they did the FOI check he'd only become an Aussie citizen a few months prior.

I'd be looking very carefully at Mattias Corman too.

 

[Maggie5]

So easy to disprove - show me the money paper.

 

[The Speaker]

The Liberal Party have a habit of doing this.

Eric Abetz, of the Abetz family known and convicted for sending Jewish people to death camps, for example was unconstitutionally in Parliament under the Howard government and didn't renounce his German citizenship until 2010, some 14 years after he first took office.

So yeah it's a good idea to make sure the constitution is being followed. I'd also suggest the next part of section 44 about not deriving financial benefit is more important, but we would seriously have no Liberal Party left.

I'm always fascinated when people bring up Abetz's uncle being a Nazi.

What purpose does it serve?

 

[The Coup]

I'm always fascinated when people bring up Abetz's uncle being a Nazi.

What purpose does it serve?

Well there is a long history of Nazis within the Liberal Party, they have their own faction actually.

I'm seriously doubtful of Abetz' allegiance by the way. He is militantly anti-worker and anti-union (much like the Nazi's were themselves). I would not be surprised to find he has the support of the uglies faction in the LNP.

If you look at the way Liberal governments in particular have been so militant in persecuting socialists in Australia and abroad since WW2, you have to start wondering how much of the Nazi party still lives on inside the LNP.

 

[Floor Pie]

I'm always fascinated when people bring up Abetz's uncle being a Nazi.

What purpose does it serve?

Served Hitler pretty well!


Hayoooooh

 

[The Speaker]

Well there is a long history of Nazis within the Liberal Party, they have their own faction actually.

I'm seriously doubtful of Abetz' allegiance by the way. He is militantly anti-worker and anti-union (much like the Nazi's were themselves). I would not be surprised to find he has the support of the uglies faction in the LNP.

If you look at the way Liberal governments in particular have been so militant in persecuting socialists in Australia and abroad since WW2, you have to start wondering how much of the Nazi party still lives on inside the LNP.

 

[The Coup]

Let me guess, you vote Liberal and weren't aware you were voting to support some Nazi's?

 

[The Speaker]

Let me guess, you vote Liberal and weren't aware you were voting to support some Nazi's?

I don't support either major party.

Trying to link your opponents with the Nazis is generally seen as one of the lowest forms of argument though.

 

[The Coup]

I don't support either major party.

Trying to link your opponents with the Nazis is generally seen as one of the lowest forms of argument though.

I'm not trying, they are quite open about it in fact.

Google away and learn for yourself.

 

[The Speaker]

I'm not trying, they are quite open about it in fact.

Google away and learn for yourself.

ah yes, the classic 'just google it' argument

 

[The Coup]

Are you saying you've never even heard of the Uglies before just now?

It's ok if so, about five years ago I didn't know who they were either. But its really easy to read up on them and see that their most prominent member (recently deceased) was one of the head Nazi Party propagandists in Slovenia I believe. Or how the modern day LNP was actually born out of a masse wave of fascist migration from Europe to Australia following WW2. Or even modern times with Perth receiving quite a large migration of racist English and South Africans.

 

[The Speaker]

Are you saying you've never even heard of the Uglies before just now?

It's ok if so, about five years ago I didn't know who they were either. But its really easy to read up on them and see that their most prominent member (recently deceased) was one of the head Nazi Party propagandists in Slovenia I believe. Or how the modern day LNP was actually born out of a masse wave of fascist migration from Europe to Australia following WW2. Or even modern times with Perth receiving quite a large migration of racist English and South Africans.

If you wish to equate Urbanchich with the entire Liberal party being full of secret fascists, go ahead.

It's really no different to the idea of the ALP being full of secret communists.

 

[The Coup]

If you wish to equate Urbanchich with the entire Liberal party being full of secret fascists, go ahead.

It's really no different to the idea of the ALP being full of secret communists.

Except Communists were actually kept out of the country following WW2, fascists were recruited.

Then we went to a number of wars (and counting) to kill socialists, funny that.

Urbanchich was part of a faction that still exists, they are fascists, and I'm glad you acknowledge that now and we can move on.

 

[The Speaker]

Except Communists were actually kept out of the country following WW2, fascists were recruited.

Then we went to a number of wars (and counting) to kill socialists, funny that.

Urbanchich was part of a faction that still exists, they are fascists, and I'm glad you acknowledge that now and we can move on.

I'm glad you feel you are justified in bringing up Abetz's family history.

 

[The Coup]

Are you worried I'll hurt his feelings? Personally I'm indifferent to them, he's an evil prick and I can see why his uncle was such a high ranking Nazi. I have serious concerns that Abetz is a fascist loyal to Europe, and his policies and public statements also support this.

 

[AM]

He is in spirit which is probably more significant than any piece of paper.

 

[Play by Numbers]

It's true. Not their own faction per se, but there was at one stage a large fascist and then Nazi contingent in the Liberal party, see 30's (for fascist and nationalist influence), then 50's onward. That's where "the uglies", the powerful radical right faction began, from Neo Nazi migrant community groups post WW2. There have been a few posts with links about it by Dry Rot, D&M and a couple of others.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituari...ral-to-extremes/2006/03/03/1141191845008.html

http://www.independentaustralia.net...glies-faction-and-our-anti-commo-history,3921

http://www.independentaustralia.net...dh-and-the-liberal-partys-fascist-affair,6411

Fascist involvement in the party is far older and preceded both the uglies and WW2. It was mainly centred around the NSW faction of the party, and is interwoven with a very interesting and ugly part of Australian history that many forget. It wasn't just politics in NSW though, nor the Liberals, but the intelligentsia and more surprisingly the dominant literary circles that were fixated with fascist ideals.

There was even a popular independent fascist political movement, see the New Guard.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Yes, Illinois Nazi, why would we listen to anyone with a silly screen name?

I'm not the one demanding the government take immediate notice of anything I'm saying and answer my demands.

 

[Gough]

Baring in mind how simple it would be to produce the document and remove all speculation you'd have to ask why he is being so reluctant to do so? I don't care if he sat in Parliament for a while as a British subject, it's happened before, I do think it's pretty sloppy to have reached the top job and nobody has thought to double check on this though.

 

[Todman]

Baring in mind how simple it would be to produce the document and remove all speculation you'd have to ask why he is being so reluctant to do so? I don't care if he sat in Parliament for a while as a British subject, it's happened before, I do think it's pretty sloppy to have reached the top job and nobody has thought to double check on this though.

Are you naive enough think that the PM office when Rudd or Gillard were in charge didn't look into these things? Of course they would/did , 100+ spin doctors have to prove their worth & costs.