Turkish president: Mossad behind Paris massacres

[little graham]

So does this mean turkey will stop helping NATO attack Assad with al queda? blackcat

 

[Jiska]

I was just pointing out that they were more accountable. I believe I used the word 'generally' to show that I didn't believe them to be completely accountable, but it seems you found even that to be too praiseworthy for the democracies.

That word never appeared in your original post, and its exclusion changes the entire meaning of your post. Had you included it, I would have agreed with you.

There is a major different between "I do think they're (generally) accountable" and "I do think they're (generally) more accountable"

 

[strauchnyy]

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opini...out-islamophobia/story-fnhulnf5-1227185063134

 

[telsor]

That word never appeared in your original post, and its exclusion changes the entire meaning of your post. Had you included it, I would have agreed with you.

There is a major different between "I do think they're (generally) accountable" and "I do think they're (generally) more accountable"

OK, the second is more accurate to my original intent.

 

[CountryRace]

Turkey’s PM compares Nentanyahu to Paris attackers(theguardian.com)

(17 journalists were killed in Palestine due to IDF air strikes. One of them was Italian.)

 

[Lester Burnham]

Rather worrying from a country on the moderate side of things. One would think the average person in France would be rather offended by such comments. Hate speech, one wonders how he defines that.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ench-are-behind-charlie-hebdo-massacre-mossad

It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."

"The duplicity of the west is obvious,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a press conference on Monday evening. “As Muslims we have never sided with terror or massacres: racism, hate speech, Islamophobia are behind these massacres.”

His punchline: "The culprits are clear: French citizens undertook this massacre and Muslims were blamed for it,” he added.

Sorry to piss on your chips but the thread title is bogus. When did Erdogan claim that Mossad was behind the Paris massacres?

 

[yebiga]

There are three options the "terror attacks" are designed and nurtured, a blind eye is turned or western intelligence is genuinely so incompetent it is unable to thwart these clowns it amounts to the same thing - US led western intelligence is responsible

Always ask who benefits? Has a single senior or junior officer of intelligence ever lost their jobs because of these attacks or rather has their department and industry always been rewarded with more resources

 

[telsor]

There are three options the "terror attacks" are designed and nurtured, a blind eye is turned or western intelligence is genuinely so incompetent it is unable to thwart these clowns it amounts to the same thing - US led western intelligence is responsible

Always ask who benefits? Has a single senior or junior officer of intelligence ever lost their jobs because of these attacks or rather has their department and industry always been rewarded with more resources

As is the nature of secret activities, we'll never know the details, although there have been reports of attacked that have been stopped ahead of time, so I dare say there are some successes that are used to balance the ledger.

 

[yebiga]

As is the nature of secret activities, we'll never know the details, although there have been reports of attacked that have been stopped ahead of time, so I dare say there are some successes that are used to balance the ledger.

Really - successes!
A virtual global religious war in the 21 st century. Some secret plot that never eventuated who's details are a matter of national security and cannot be revealed constitutes a success?

Why no doubt these secret agents weekly stop a Muslim meteor the size of a planet from colliding with earth! We should be grateful

The manner in which This terror theatre is reported leaves entirely no doubt of its synthetic origin

Most of the thinking western public has switched off and is too ashamed to discuss it
Try raising it at a dinner with friends
The disconnect between government corporate media and the electorate is terminal

Where this ends is the only question worth debating

 

[Lester Burnham]

As is the nature of secret activities, we'll never know the details, although there have been reports of attacked that have been stopped ahead of time, so I dare say there are some successes that are used to balance the ledger.

Maybe not never. Spooks like to tell their stories.

I really doubt the Mossad had anything to do with these events. They have carried out covert operations in France before but this is all too far removed from Israel's direct interests.

However there are a couple of peculiar occurrences. The Charlie Hebdo gunmen gave the impression that they were well trained and skilled operatives, yet they left their ID in the getaway car. And a senior French police officer who was investigating the incident, Commissioner Helric Fredou, reportedly killed himself hours after the attacks.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/charlie-hebdo-top-cop-helric-4963644

 

[Sydney Bloods]

As is the nature of secret activities, we'll never know the details, although there have been reports of attacked that have been stopped ahead of time, so I dare say there are some successes that are used to balance the ledger.

there's really no point discussing it with these idiots. its all some grand conspiracy to control everything because this all powerful force already controls everything.

every time there's any incident, they blame the US, Mossad, MI6. doesn't matter what it is, its all a grand conspiracy.

 

[yebiga]

there's really no point discussing it with these idiots. its all some grand conspiracy to control everything because this all powerful force already controls everything.

every time there's any incident, they blame the US, Mossad, MI6. doesn't matter what it is, its all a grand conspiracy.

But the narratives told to us by air heads with Botox faces and perfect smiles on cnn fox and our networks should be trusted? Come on
Our media can't be trusted to report on a car accident without getting it wrong - why would you have faith in something far more complex?

 

[telsor]

But the narratives told to us by air heads with Botox faces and perfect smiles on cnn fox and our networks should be trusted? Come on
Our media can't be trusted to report on a car accident without getting it wrong - why would you have faith in something far more complex?

Oh, I'm sure they try and hide stuff, but there are enough embaressing leaks of many varieties that I figure the chances of a massive global conspiracy to control everything remaining secret is very slim.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

But the narratives told to us by air heads with Botox faces and perfect smiles on cnn fox and our networks should be trusted? Come on
Our media can't be trusted to report on a car accident without getting it wrong - why would you have faith in something far more complex?

oh yes we should continue to trust the "alternative" media who continue to spread blatant lies?
there's a massive deference between questioning and swallowing bullshit like bizarre cultists.

found those 4000 jews that called in sick on 9/11 yet?
evidence of the RBA being privately owned?
how about obamas Kenyan birth certificate?
dug up any of the empty kids graves?

ask yourself this? who are the only people who talk about destroying governments, summary executions, taking over the western world. who are the people who actually advocate the usurping the democratic systems we have in place? and want to tear western economies?

of course i'm being rhetorical here i don't actual expect any of this do get through to you, i'm sure there's a great book you just paid $39.99 which explains who all these to secret players are they and how it all works? got the latest free "documentary" yet? did you donate so these poor, poor slobs can make yet another "ground breaking" expose'? No? well don't worry the claimed author of lizard congress is conducting an number of speaking tours in June book your seat for just $55.00 and here all the info the government is keeping from you as these brave guys risk being abducted and executed for revealing all of this, live from expedition centre. and now a word from our sponsor Iodine Direct, get your iodine Online because when the Zionists launch their nuclear war you can trust pills you bought from people you've never met to protect you from nuclear fallout hundreds bombs. your a awake unlike those sheeple.

 

[CountryRace]

there's really no point discussing it with these idiots. its all some grand conspiracy to control everything because this all powerful force already controls everything.

every time there's any incident, they blame the US, Mossad, MI6. doesn't matter what it is, its all a grand conspiracy.

you do realise the war on terror is never sposed to end - right?

that wouldnt be good for the military-industrial estate.

gotta drone-bomb someone always. otherwise whymake the shiney toys ?

 

[CountryRace]

oh yes we should continue to trust the "alternative" media who continue to spread blatant lies?
there's a massive deference between questioning and swallowing bullshit like bizarre cultists.

found those 4000 jews that called in sick on 9/11 yet?
evidence of the RBA being privately owned?
how about obamas Kenyan birth certificate?
dug up any of the empty kids graves?

ask yourself this? who are the only people who talk about destroying governments, summary executions, taking over the western world. who are the people who actually advocate the usurping the democratic systems we have in place? and want to tear western economies?

of course i'm being rhetorical here i don't actual expect any of this do get through to you, i'm sure there's a great book you just paid $39.99 which explains who all these to secret players are they and how it all works? got the latest free "documentary" yet? did you donate so these poor, poor slobs can make yet another "ground breaking" expose'? No? well don't worry the claimed author of lizard congress is conducting an number of speaking tours in June book your seat for just $55.00 and here all the info the government is keeping from you as these brave guys risk being abducted and executed for revealing all of this, live from expedition centre. and now a word from our sponsor Iodine Direct, get your iodine Online because when the Zionists launch their nuclear war you can trust pills you bought from people you've never met to protect you from nuclear fallout hundreds bombs. your a awake unlike those sheeple.

2 people get shot in a choclate shp and its 24/7 news coverage for a week

about 100,000 kids die from preventable causes in the same week. not a fart in the wind of media coverage

open your eyes

 

[Sydney Bloods]

you do realise the war on terror is never sposed to end - right?

that wouldnt be good for the military-industrial estate.

gotta drone-bomb someone always. otherwise whymake the shiney toys ?

let me guess one of your "gut feelings" good to see you using all the little phrases your people have thought up for you.
very newspeak'esq.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

2 people get shot in a choclate shp and its 24/7 news coverage for a week

about 100,000 kids die from preventable causes in the same week. not a fart in the wind of media coverage

open your eyes

preventable? but vaccines don't work

 

[CountryRace]

preventable? but vaccines don't work

yeah, i believe the un website saying 11,000 p/day die from preventable

i dont know why bigfooty is so iinterestedin vaccines. its an odd fetish.

somehow, i doubt they all are dying cause they didnt get an injection. perhaps some die due to lack of food, water, housing, etc. etc. the kind of stuff they might have had if the pm of australia didnt take away

5 billion from them

let me guess one of your "gut feelings" good to see you using all the little phrases your people have thought up for you.
very newspeak'esq.

no, its common sence. america has been at war 90%, or there abouts since its birth as a country.

'military-industrial complex' comes from the following speech:

vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present



Dwight D. Eisenhower was not my mate. sadly. 1961. not new-speak at all.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

IMHO I would absolute not be surprised its true

a) Teaching France a lesson for voting yes to Palestine.
b) encouraging the Muslims are evil mantra to continue to piss on Palestine.

people are funny in that they think western governments are infallible

the world leaders getting getting holding hands and going to a march? publicity stunt

http://imgur.com/hgDePQP

Yeah. Lets reject the idea that people have their own agency and act upon it.

It doesn't really take much to carry out these attacks, nor where there effects that remarkable.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

yeah, i believe the un website saying 11,000 p/day die from preventable

i dont know why bigfooty is so iinterestedin vaccines. its an odd fetish.

somehow, i doubt they all are dying cause they didnt get an injection. perhaps some die due to lack of food, water, housing, etc. etc. the kind of stuff they might have had if the pm of australia didnt take away

5 billion from them



no, its common sence. america has been at war 90%, or there abouts since its birth as a country.

'military-industrial complex' comes from the following speech:

vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present



Dwight D. Eisenhower was not my mate. sadly. 1961. not new-speak at all.

you understand what the point of new-speak is yes? its not about being "new" its about conditioning people to think and act a certain way limiting their ability to think independently
.
and no the term doesn't come from eisenhower, he may have made the term......... "popular" but it existed as far back as the 40's and the concept under different names existed well before then. the term and theory was expunged by socialists. a key reason why D.E used it only in his fairwell address.

only you could look at a term which aims to categorise the complex relationship of the impact of economic dependence on armaments companies and how it effects economic policy which glossy's over the underlying issue's associated with it and declare it's got nothing to do with the term newspeak.

edit: as for your comment re: abbotts cuts, are going to suggest those figures are a result of abbotts cuts your dumber then i thought. tell me what were figures prior to the cuts? meanwhile australia citizens continue to live on the streets and in underprivileged environments, mental health is underfunded so is education. But hey, yeah need to feed some campaigner in africa. sorry mate hope you don't freeze death this winter.

foreign aid budget is reprehensible when you give billions to people half a world away yet wont fund sleeping swags for the homeless in our own backyard. wake up and realise we have our own domestic problems we need to deal with before we try and keep people in failed countries living in perpetual failure.

How many times have you actually stopped and gave a homeless guy change? or just paid the $3 bucks to some poor campaigner to clean your windshield? heaven forbid we actually help someone here.

 

[CountryRace]

So perhaps my comment has legs then?

Do tell me cap,

how do we 'win' the war on terror?

where is the finish line

 

[telsor]

yeah, i believe the un website saying 11,000 p/day die from preventable

So there is a massive global conspiracy of governments to keep us all in the dark, but the UN can be trusted?????

 

[CountryRace]

So there is a massive global conspiracy of governments to keep us all in the dark, but the UN can be trusted?????

its not a conspiracy as such

its just that the mainstream media is tied into the governments and companies of the western word which equates to the 18,000 death children per day, every day. 11,000 of which die from 'preventable' causes not been apparently worthy of any real attention. For whatever reason these are very rarely given media attention outside of your rare showings on sbs or pbs, if something is even more bad than usual.

where as a handful of white people get shot in paris or sydney, and then you have 24/7 media coverage for a week and a angry arab of the front page of the local bogan newspaper.

This is just the way it is. no point getting angry at me about it.

not sure if the un can be trusted, by i doubt somehow they are making up the deaths of babies.

 

[CountryRace]

Oct 2001, 2 Israelis, posing as Pakistanis, were caught red handed with explosives by Mexican authorities in a plot to blow the Mexican Parliament. Complete silence on American MSM.(hugequestions.com)