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I then followed it up with a question. which you're too thick to understand.
Ukraine on verge of civil war?
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I then followed it up with a question. which you're too thick to understand.
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Putin: I think that only an insane person can imagine that Russia would suddenly attack NATO
http://tass.ru/en/russia/799189
http://tass.ru/en/russia/799189
So much for Ukraine being more "Euro" -
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/06/violent-clashes-at-ukrainian-gay-rights-march
Nazi running riot - Must be Russia's fault.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/06/violent-clashes-at-ukrainian-gay-rights-march
Nazi running riot - Must be Russia's fault.
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Great people the rebels. 62 outgoing shells in a short period of time monitored by the OSCE from within DPR controlled territory:
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/164131?download=true
Nice to see them respecting the cease fire rules. Rebels are nothing but a terrorist front fighting an "enemy" Putin needs to unite Russia.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/164131?download=true
Nice to see them respecting the cease fire rules. Rebels are nothing but a terrorist front fighting an "enemy" Putin needs to unite Russia.
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One biased viewpoint. Great work WC!
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Yeah sure mate. You do realise I am quoting OSCE reports. For the uninitiated that is Organisation for Security & Cooperation in Europe. They are a neutral force. That got harassed in DPR controlled towns too.
They got actually abducted in government controlled areas.
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Care to post a link for that? Because they certainly didn't. Ukranian security forces held them to verify their identity and released them on the spot. Certainly not kidnapping.
In stark contrast to the rebels: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...ts-claim-kidnap-osce-monitors-ukraine-n117191
Ukraine government allows completely free movement of OSCE monitors in and around government controlled areas. Rebel forces do not, restricting them from entering certain towns to monitor arms buildup and holding them at checkpoints.
The propaganda war might work on innocent east ukranians who know no better but it doesn't work on here and the rest of the civilised world.
No they did, they let them go once they realized who it was.
"Having just exited a train in government-controlled Kramatorsk (78km north of Donetsk), an SMM monitor was approached by three men in civilian clothes, two of them wearing balaclavas and holstered weapons. The monitor was handcuffed and hooded before being asked to identify himself. Upon subsequently doing so, he was released with apologies. The men identified themselves as members of the State Security Services of Ukraine (SBU)."
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/145901
And both sides restrict access.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/164141
"Having just exited a train in government-controlled Kramatorsk (78km north of Donetsk), an SMM monitor was approached by three men in civilian clothes, two of them wearing balaclavas and holstered weapons. The monitor was handcuffed and hooded before being asked to identify himself. Upon subsequently doing so, he was released with apologies. The men identified themselves as members of the State Security Services of Ukraine (SBU)."
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/145901
And both sides restrict access.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/164141
- At a checkpoint near Starohnativka (government-controlled, 53km north-north-east of Mariupol), the Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel did not allow the SMM to proceed, citing security reasons
- The SMM was not allowed access to a Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapons holding area, where it had previously recorded eight anti-tank missile systems (9P149 “Shturm-S”).
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"They did then look further and, lo, high as they were they saw the founding of a great republic and proclamations hailing new gods named Due Process and Equal Rights for All. And they saw many in high places in the republic form a separate cult and worship Mammon and Power. And the Republic became an Empire, and soon Due Process and Equal Rights for All were not worshipped, and even Mammon and Power were given only lip-service, for the true god of all was now the impotent What Can I Do and his dull brother What We Did Yesterday and his ugly and vicious sister Get Them Before They Get Us.
"This is Aftermath," said Hera, and her bosom shook with tears for the fate of the children of that nation.
And they saw many bombings, many riots, many rooftop snipers, many Molotov cocktails. And they saw the capital city in ruins, and the leader, wearing the face of Stanley Laurel, taken prisoner amid the rubble of his palace. And they saw the chief of the revolutionaries look about at the rubble and the streets full of corpses, and they heard him sigh, and then he spoke the eternal words: "Now look what you made me do," he said.
And that was the fifth Vision."
Robert Anton Wilson wrote this in his book the Illuminatus trilogy about forty years ago.... never more relevant
"This is Aftermath," said Hera, and her bosom shook with tears for the fate of the children of that nation.
And they saw many bombings, many riots, many rooftop snipers, many Molotov cocktails. And they saw the capital city in ruins, and the leader, wearing the face of Stanley Laurel, taken prisoner amid the rubble of his palace. And they saw the chief of the revolutionaries look about at the rubble and the streets full of corpses, and they heard him sigh, and then he spoke the eternal words: "Now look what you made me do," he said.
And that was the fifth Vision."
Robert Anton Wilson wrote this in his book the Illuminatus trilogy about forty years ago.... never more relevant
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Meanwhile in the real word Donbass residents are fed up with separatists and their tactics of shelling from residential areas:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...-tell-separatists-to-leave-a-glimmer-of-hope/
And these are the few hardliners that are left over. They've realised that Russia doesn't give a s**t about Ukraine. Poroshenko has allowed Donbass limited autonomy but the separatists want full control and are trying to influence Ukraine from not joining the EU and/or NATO. Russia needs to let go and stop this unofficial war.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...-tell-separatists-to-leave-a-glimmer-of-hope/
And these are the few hardliners that are left over. They've realised that Russia doesn't give a s**t about Ukraine. Poroshenko has allowed Donbass limited autonomy but the separatists want full control and are trying to influence Ukraine from not joining the EU and/or NATO. Russia needs to let go and stop this unofficial war.
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Bahahahaha. Russia doesn't accept the fact that NATO is being deliberately provocative by encircling them with their military machine! They are even threatening to put nukes in countries bordering Russia.
Also, how do you know that Kiev isn't deliberately bombing civilians like the US does in Afghanistan and Iraq with their drones?
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Threatening to put nukes in countries bordering Russia. What a load of s**t. It is 2015 - not 1965.
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http://www.newsweek.com/2014/04/25/...thinking-about-nuclear-deterrents-248133.html
Google is your friend or in this case your enemy!
This is a guy that derides Russian Propaganda as propaganda then posts American Propaganda as if it was any less propaganda. Personally I'm not sure if he believes what he says and only sees the white in they yin yang, or if though knowing the yin yang is black and white, he says it is white only anyway. At least when I describe the Black in the Yin yang I generally note there is also white.
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This rather comprehensive study (done before the separatists commenced destroying eastern ukraine) clearly shows that even in eastern ukraine only 12% of the population wanted protection from Russian backed forces.
http://www.iri.org/sites/default/fi...nion Survey of Ukraine, March 14-26, 2014.pdf
All of the normal residents have fled the separatists and there are now only hardliners left. East Ukraine will be in a perennial civil war if the separatists remain which is exactly what Russia wants so it can maintain a stranglehold over Ukraine.
http://www.iri.org/sites/default/fi...nion Survey of Ukraine, March 14-26, 2014.pdf
All of the normal residents have fled the separatists and there are now only hardliners left. East Ukraine will be in a perennial civil war if the separatists remain which is exactly what Russia wants so it can maintain a stranglehold over Ukraine.
LOL International Republican Institute! Mr don't quote propaganda ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha
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I love your fantasy land posts. It must be just a coincidence that a democratically elected government gets toppled and suddenly new markets open for American interests!
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the government wasn't toppled, the president was. the rest of the parliament remained. and then there were elections. why can't you get even the simple things right?
ha and yeah, the CIA managed this:
it's as if you don't even know the ukraine get together for some mass-democracy parties every few years. no no, i bet all previous revolutions were part of a vast western plot. hell, maybe you think the antichrist is involved too, rofl.
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Ukraine’s Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup
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Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko requests the supreme court of Ukraine to declare that his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown by an illegal operation; in other words, that the post-Yanukovych government, including Poroshenko’s own Presidency, came into power from a coup, not from something democratic, not from any authentic constitutional process at all.
In a remarkable document, which is not posted at the English version of thewebsite of the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, but which is widely reported outside the United States, including Russia, Poroshenko, in Ukrainian (not in English), has petitioned the Constitutional Court of Ukraine (as it is being widely quoted in English):
previously reported, and here will excerpt, Poroshenko’s having himself admitted prior to 26 February 2014, to the EU’s investigator, and right after the February 22nd overthrow of Yanukovych, that the overthrow was a coup, and that it was even a false-flag operation, in which the snipers, who were dressed as if they were Ukrainian Security Bureau troops, were actually not, and that, as the EU’s investigator put his finding to the EU’s chief of foreign affairs Catherine Ashton [and with my explanatory annotations here]:
"the same oligarch [Poroshenko — and so when he became President he already knew this] told that well, all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers, from both sides, among policemen and people from the streets, [this will shock Ashton, who had just said that Yanukovych had masterminded the killings] that they were the same snipers, killing people from both sides [so, Poroshenko himself knows that his regime is based on a false-flag U.S.-controlled coup d’etat against his predecessor]. ... Behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.”
This was when Ashton first learned that the myth that Yanukovych had been overthrown as a result of public outrage at his having rejected the EU’s offer of membership to Ukraine was just a hoax. (Actually, the planning for this coup was already under way in the U.S. Embassy by at least early 2013, well prior to Yanukovych’s EU decision. Furthermore, , but then the U.S.-engineered “Maidan” riots caused that approval to plunge.)
If the Court grants Poroshenko’s petition, then the appointment of Arseniy Yatsenyuk by the U.S. State Department’s Victoria Nuland on 4 February 2014, which was confirmed by the Ukrainian parliament (or Rada) at the end of the coup on February 26th, and the other appointments which were made, including that of Oleksandr Turchynov to fill in for Yanukovych as caretaker President until one of the junta’s chosen candidates would be ‘elected’ on May 25th of 2014, which ‘election’ Poroshenko won — all of this was illegal.
However, this illegality had already been known. It was already explained in detail on 28 February 2014, that, “Yanukovych’s removal was unconstitutional.” That’s for lawyers; but, now, finally, Ukraine’s Constitutional Court is faced with the shocking predicament of Ukraine’s own President, who won his post as a result of this coup, requesting them to “acknowledge” that it was a coup, much as the founder of the "private CIA" firm Stratfor had even called it, “the most blatant coup in history.” (It was that because of its having been a Washington job was so massive.)
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http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2015/06/25/title-222
June 25th, 2015
Eric Zuesse
Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko requests the supreme court of Ukraine to declare that his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown by an illegal operation; in other words, that the post-Yanukovych government, including Poroshenko’s own Presidency, came into power from a coup, not from something democratic, not from any authentic constitutional process at all.
In a remarkable document, which is not posted at the English version of thewebsite of the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, but which is widely reported outside the United States, including Russia, Poroshenko, in Ukrainian (not in English), has petitioned the Constitutional Court of Ukraine (as it is being widely quoted in English):
previously reported, and here will excerpt, Poroshenko’s having himself admitted prior to 26 February 2014, to the EU’s investigator, and right after the February 22nd overthrow of Yanukovych, that the overthrow was a coup, and that it was even a false-flag operation, in which the snipers, who were dressed as if they were Ukrainian Security Bureau troops, were actually not, and that, as the EU’s investigator put his finding to the EU’s chief of foreign affairs Catherine Ashton [and with my explanatory annotations here]:
"the same oligarch [Poroshenko — and so when he became President he already knew this] told that well, all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers, from both sides, among policemen and people from the streets, [this will shock Ashton, who had just said that Yanukovych had masterminded the killings] that they were the same snipers, killing people from both sides [so, Poroshenko himself knows that his regime is based on a false-flag U.S.-controlled coup d’etat against his predecessor]. ... Behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.”
This was when Ashton first learned that the myth that Yanukovych had been overthrown as a result of public outrage at his having rejected the EU’s offer of membership to Ukraine was just a hoax. (Actually, the planning for this coup was already under way in the U.S. Embassy by at least early 2013, well prior to Yanukovych’s EU decision. Furthermore, , but then the U.S.-engineered “Maidan” riots caused that approval to plunge.)
If the Court grants Poroshenko’s petition, then the appointment of Arseniy Yatsenyuk by the U.S. State Department’s Victoria Nuland on 4 February 2014, which was confirmed by the Ukrainian parliament (or Rada) at the end of the coup on February 26th, and the other appointments which were made, including that of Oleksandr Turchynov to fill in for Yanukovych as caretaker President until one of the junta’s chosen candidates would be ‘elected’ on May 25th of 2014, which ‘election’ Poroshenko won — all of this was illegal.
However, this illegality had already been known. It was already explained in detail on 28 February 2014, that, “Yanukovych’s removal was unconstitutional.” That’s for lawyers; but, now, finally, Ukraine’s Constitutional Court is faced with the shocking predicament of Ukraine’s own President, who won his post as a result of this coup, requesting them to “acknowledge” that it was a coup, much as the founder of the "private CIA" firm Stratfor had even called it, “the most blatant coup in history.” (It was that because of its having been a Washington job was so massive.)
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2015/06/25/title-222
FFS Do I really have to repost the actual details of how the government we reshaped for the 3rd or 4 th time on this thread. Clearly Ukraine is split on geographic lines, they should have made quick moves towards Federalisation, rather than quick moves towards the artillery. You are intelligent so unlike WC2022 it can only be assumed you are dishonest.the government wasn't toppled, the president was. the rest of the parliament remained. and then there were elections. why can't you get even the simple things right?
ha and yeah, the CIA managed this:
it's as if you don't even know the ukraine get together for some mass-democracy parties every few years. no no, i bet all previous revolutions were part of a vast western plot. hell, maybe you think the antichrist is involved too, rofl.
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Please do not come on here again and make a fool of yourself by posting blatant lies!the government wasn't toppled, the president was. the rest of the parliament remained. and then there were elections. why can't you get even the simple things right?
ha and yeah, the CIA managed this:
it's as if you don't even know the ukraine get together for some mass-democracy parties every few years. no no, i bet all previous revolutions were part of a vast western plot. hell, maybe you think the antichrist is involved too, rofl.
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you and I have already been there, done that and you accepted that it wasn't an overthrowing of the parliament, but of the office of the president, and elections were subsequently held (which only then re-shaped the parliament, duh).
like before, i'll remind you that I am merely talking about the putsch, and not the subsequent actions.
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Please do not come on here again and make a fool of yourself by posting blatant lies!
another shining example of your inability to respond to criticism
