VFL/AFL Reserves & Under-19 Records?

Has anyone got any pics of any u 19 teams from late 80's or 90's? Before it went to tac cup? ThanksThanks.

Would anyone have season results for the 1988 VLF reserves season where Footscray beat North in the Grand Final?

Does anyone have a full database of all U19 and ressies results from 1991 and prior?

Cheers.

I managed to find all the scores, goal kickers and bests apart from the Grand final and also missing goals and best from round 22.

http://takata.slv.vic.gov.au/R/XM7Y...0545?func=results-next-page&result_format=002
AFL record 1988 Week 1 finals

Page 28 - this has the Round 22 Reserves details (missing goalkickers for one game, however).

Or try this!:-

From The Age (online) 26 September 1988:-
RESERVES
FOOTSCRAY 2.3 11.7 14.10 17.14 (116)
NORTH MELB 2.4 6.6 10.10 14.12 (96)

Goals - FOOTSCRAY: Macpherson, Nicol 3, Cullen, Campbell 2, James, Williams, Baxter, Fitzpatrick, Wynd, Cordy, Svilar.
NORTH MELB: Longmire 4, Love, Dwyer 3, S Smith, Romero, Harris, Schwass.
Best - FOOTSCRAY: Macpherson, Baxter, Moloney, Tzatzaris, Campbell, Fitzpatrick.
NORTH MELB: Longmire, Romero, Steele, O'Donoghue, Harris.

http://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19880926&printsec=frontpage&hl=en (Page 42)
Page 44 has a reasonable summary of the game.

Legend. Thank you for taking the time

Just got a chance to read it now, you saved me a trip to the State Library.

I guess the fact they don't name a best on ground award would mean that they didn't have one for the reserves?

Thanks for that.

I can't say I've ever heard of a BOG award for a reserves (or U19s) Grand Final being given at any time, perhaps it may have happened in the past. Hopefully someone here can give a definitive answer.

Cheers mate.

I'm still looking into it.

WATCH THIS SPACE

!! Reserves and U19s Database Coming !!

I am currently in the process of putting together a database of results for all the Reserves and U19 games from 1919 to 1999 and also the VFL and the U18 TAC Cup matches through to the present.
I am about 90% complete with the Reserves scores and about 75% complete with the U19 scores
- need to tidy up some discrepancies and fill some gaps in the early years (trips to SLV required)
and I hope to have a web site up and running within the next couple of months (work & other commitments may delay this)

Regards, Ron
Attached some screen captures of the 1919 season

Congratulations but be aware that some gaps in results will never be filled from newspaper reports as matches in these competitions were sometimes never played or abandoned due to shortage of players, weather and condition of grounds.
Unlike the senior competition of the League where postponed matches were always played, in the junior competitions this seems often to not have happened.

Also, if you are not the aware the below has a substantial section on the League Seconds/Reserves which may be of use for some cross-reference.
Title

• Footystats: 2000 edition : Australian Football League statistics 1897-1999; a comprehensive study of league football /​ Kevin Taylor.

Author

• Taylor, Kevin.

Published

• Melbourne : ACP Action, 1999.

Physical Description

• 522 p. ; 30 cm.

Subjects

• Australian Football League -- Statistics.
• Australian football -- Statistics.

Notes

• Published jointly with: Inside Football.

Libraries Australia ID

• 21273556

Note too that by the time the Seconds competition got going the League had long dispensed with the title "minor premiers" and a "right of challenge".
The inventor of the 'Argus' system of finals to determine the premiership, R.W.E. Wilmot was very adamant on this issue in a number of newspaper articles in the 1920s,


Several correspondents have written re-
garding what they call "the minor premier-
ship" and "the right of challenge", and it
is extraordinary to think that these ques-
tions should be asked. There is no such
thing as the "minor premiership", nor is
there a "right of challenge".

See: The Myth of the Minor Premiers

Thx for the info re "minor prems" and "right of challenge".
Semantics in a way, but I will amend my notes so as not to perpetuate the myth.

Yes, I am aware of the Footy Stats publication, but haven't as yet managed to put my hand on one.
Am pretty happy with what I've been able to glean from the Argus, the Age, the SLV's Footy Records and the SMH on line archives. Most of my dramas stem from the gaps in Googles' Age collection.
There are only 3 games in each of 1919 and 1920 that I'm missing the result and about a dozen or so that I can work out the result for but don't have the scores for and the first 2 seasons of the U19's are also a huge problem, as they seem to have occured without anyone bothering to send any info to the papers, as if they were embarassed about the comp as just about every other Junior League results were covered.

I've come up with 9621 games compared to "the quoted 9620", and that includes about 3 or 4 forfeits, the 6 unknowns, and one abandoned after about 12 minutes of 1st Q

But there's no point complaining about stuff we can't control and we'll just do the best we can with what've we got and put it up there and hope the fairy godmother comes good with some of the missing info.

Regards,
Ron

Agree that term "minor premiers" is mainly semantics and the media seems to have resurrected it in recent years.
The "right of challenge" was however specifically removed in case in a era when concepts of "sportsmanship" were different from today, another club as Richmond did, refused to exercise it.

If your regional library can't get a copy on inter-library loan, you could contact the author, Kevin Talylor at footysts@bigpond.net.au

You should perhaps contact the AFL statiticians Cameron Sinclair and Col Hutchinson and let them know about your project - the League should be interested.
(The League only knows the quarter by quarter scores of all their early matches because of the independent research undertaken by Stephen Rodgers some 25 years ago.)