Victoria Election - 29 November 2014

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City of Casey councillor learns to stand on hind legs. Makes the court case on East-West, should the ALP win more uncertain:

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/cou...ht-state-election-issues-20140925-10lf16.html

However, $15,000 isn't going to get them much other than legal fees. if the State Government isn't going to fight the case, as per the ALP's strategy, they're certainly not going to be handling over any modelling on the business case to Casey.

Casey would then need to add another couple of zeroes to that figure to come up with their own modelling, which they won't be able to do in time. So, yeah, that's money well spent.
 
swingdog said:
City of Casey councillor learns to stand on hind legs. Makes the court case on East-West, should the ALP win more uncertain:

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/cou...ht-state-election-issues-20140925-10lf16.html

However, $15,000 isn't going to get them much other than legal fees. if the State Government isn't going to fight the case, as per the ALP's strategy, they're certainly not going to be handling over any modelling on the business case to Casey.

Casey would then need to add another couple of zeroes to that figure to come up with their own modelling, which they won't be able to do in time. So, yeah, that's money well spent.
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How is the East-West link good for Casey? And on the Port of Hastings front, they're all for it as long as none of it is built in their council area. These are the same council that have built housing estates right to the edge of it's council zone where Port of Hastings Infrastructure would have to go in, who approve housing estates and then funnel all the traffic onto the Western Port Highway because they can't be arsed to make the developers build bridges over the rail tracks. These pissant's are more in the pockets of property developers than Matthew Guy is.

What we have here is a bunch of Liberal party hacks who dominate a council making noise to support their party not their constituents.

What they should be doing is campaigning for the duplication of the tracks to Cranbourne and the extension of the Cranbourne line to Cranbourne East
 
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Ice-Wolf said:
How is the East-West link good for Casey? And on the Port of Hastings front, they're all for it as long as none of it is built in their council area. These are the same council that have built housing estates right to the edge of it's council zone where Port of Hastings Infrastructure would have to go in, who approve housing estates and then funnel all the traffic onto the Western Port Highway because they can't be arsed to make the developers build bridges over the rail tracks. These pissant's are more in the pockets of property developers than Matthew Guy is.

What we have here is a bunch of Liberal party hacks who dominate a council making noise to support their party not their constituents.

What they should be doing is campaigning for the duplication of the tracks to Cranbourne and the extension of the Cranbourne line to Cranbourne East
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IF you don't know why it is good for the city of Casey then God help us all.
 

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mottrain said:
IF you don't know why it is good for the city of Casey then God help us all.
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Explain how exactly the East West link is good/a priority for Casey?

There are a number of other projects that would be a much a higher priority and provide much greater benefit to Casey.
 
Ice-Wolf said:
Explain how exactly the East West link is good/a priority for Casey?

There are a number of other projects that would be a much a higher priority and provide much greater benefit to Casey.
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I guess Economically a large number of their residents would work in and around the Hastings Project and also a range of associated industries. Hence having this new link would mean that they could get to work, function in work among others more efficiently.
 
Ice-Wolf said:
How is the East-West link good for Casey?
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The State Government would have you believe that if the E-W link is built, trucks coming from the SE will divert via Eastlink, the Eastern and then the EW link to get to Footscray (paying tolls and adding a minimum of 30 minutes to their trip) instead of going straight down the Monash as they currently do.

Dr Napthine said the western section of the East West Link will alleviate congestion on the Monash-West Gate corridor, the busiest and most important economic route in Victoria.

“It will provide an alternative route to the West Gate Bridge, resulting in travel time savings of up to 20 minutes when traveling from Werribee, Altona or Laverton to central Melbourne,” Dr Napthine said.

In other words, the Government is trying to claim that if all the trucks traveling E-W took the big long massive tolled route around the outskirts, travel times would be reduced due to the removal of those trucks. Good luck.

Personally, as I've already posted, I believe the E-W link will do nothing to ease congestion as 90% of the traffic is city bound traffic, not West Bound traffic. What it will do, however, is make the voters in the safe Liberal seats down the Eastern corridor happier that money is being spent in their area, regardless of the fact it will do stuff all.
 
mottrain said:
I guess Economically a large number of their residents would work in and around the Hastings Project and also a range of associated industries. Hence having this new link would mean that they could get to work, function in work among others more efficiently.
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How does the East-West link help that? News flash the East-West link is nowhere near Casey.
 
I live in the city of Casey and I can safely say it won't benefit us at all.
Roads like Pound road, Shrives Road, Greaves Rd in Narre South carry large ammounts of traffic yet they still single lane roads for most of thier length. Even then the road quality is poor and yet houses are popping up like there's no tommrow.
Locals have been calling for the Pound road/Shrives Road intersection:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-38...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdBc5Rn3Y3sjuoorG3iKv4A!2e0
To be upgraded with traffic lights. In peak hours it's is impossible to turn right from Pound road to Shrives Rd because of the traffic.
Hallam road can be horrid at times. Yet for some reason they're only duplicating the bit between Hallam Road and Ormond rd. Really needs to be done the entire length.
Buses on weekends are poor. Anywhere from 40 minute to an hour wait for most of them.
Getting rid of level crossings would be another good start down here. After a train goes through Narre Webb St is a carpark. Clyde road

Mind you the Casey council likes money waste. They're the same lot who hired an Arnold Schwarzenegger impornsnator.
 
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I live in the Hastings District, I'd be much happier if they got rid of the Classcocks, Hall and Thompson road intersections, would have a much greater impact for Cranbourne residents and Westernport residents than the E-W link. Duplications, Grade Separations and Line extensions would seem to be the most pressing concerns in the area. That and building some ******* bridges over the tracks so they aren't funnelling local traffic onto the Westernport Hwy in Lyndhurst.
 
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I live in the Hastings District, I'd be much happier if they got rid of the Classcocks, Hall and Thompson road intersections, would have a much greater impact for Cranbourne residents and Westernport residents than the E-W link. Duplications, Grade Separations and Line extensions would seem to be the most pressing concerns in the area.
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Vicroads have it in planning to upgrade the M780 between the South gippy and Cranbourne Frankston Rd to freeway standard:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/pla...s/western-port-highway-lynbrook-to-langwarrin
 

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Ice-Wolf said:
They've been saying that for years meanwhile Casey keeps adding in more local traffic to it with new intersections.
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It's the same on the other side of Cranbourne along Clyde road. I dread to think what the traffic is like along there in peak.

The one major issue I missed was the Cranbourne line duplication. All these houses and yet it's still a single track!
 
Pakenhamsaint said:
It's the same on the other side of Cranbourne along Clyde road. I dread to think what the traffic is like along there in peak.

The one major issue I missed was the Cranbourne line duplication. All these houses and yet it's still a single track!
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Greed from Casey Council (developers have deep pockets) and apathy from state governments. Casey is a prime example of how not to do development, unfortunately the Mornington Peninsula Council has decided to copy it in Somerville and Mornington.

Clyde Road used to be an awesome Cranbourne bypass to get from Hastings to Pakenham you could do it in about 15-20mins without breaking any laws, not so any more.
 
Ice-Wolf said:
Greed from Casey Council (developers have deep pockets) and apathy from state governments. Casey is a prime example of how not to do development, unfortunately the Mornington Peninsula Council has decided to copy it in Somerville and Mornington.

Clyde Road used to be an awesome Cranbourne bypass to get from Hastings to Pakenham you could do it in about 15-20mins without breaking any laws, not so any more.
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It would proberly be much faster to go via Koo Wee rup these days.

Cardina is another council who are getting greedy. I can still remember most of that bit around Cardina rd being farmland and it wasn't all that long ago!
 
Good to see the two faced lying pack of scum that is the Victorian Liberal party up to their old tricks of supporting business at the expense of the taxpayer. Napthine has signed off on a $10b+ project, based on false numbers, with no public backing and now committed the Victorian taxpayer to a penalty payment of hundreds of millions if it doesn't go ahead, yet he somehow thinks people should trust him.

The E-W tunnel will be a government toll road, not private like Citylink or Eastlink, this means the government wears the costs if it is a dud. The fact that no private company wanted to take it on shows that they all thought it would be a dud and that they numbers put out by Napthine were false. But it didn't stop Napthine abusing Labor over some of their wasteful spending on Myki.

I will maintain that whilst the size of the desal plant was debatable, based on all the information available and the length of the drought we needed a back up to make sure we didn't end up with a water crisis, most people don't realise just how bad the situation would've been if we had of gone another 12 months in drought.
 
Yeah anyone who was following the issue at the time knew the desal or a new reservoir were needed.
 
Ice-Wolf said:
If there is one person that can't be believed here it's Terry. What is the Liberal's plan? Do nothing? Seem's like the people of Mernda would be better served by either of Labor's plans than what the Liberals are offering them.

I'm still waiting on the Rowville Line, Doncaster Line and Southland Station Terry!
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There is a huge transport problem in the East (Manningham area). Both the E-W link and Doncaster lines are needed. Liberal is doing one. Labor is offering neither. It's a slam dunk for all Manningham residents.
 
Secret deals ? Anyone feel napthine and co are blackmailing the electorate on the east west.

Vote labor and money will be wasted ?

Wasted by his government bending over to the private sector like jeff did on citylink and etihad stadium

If I was Andrews, id commit to any details this government sees fit to reveal to the Electorate. Anything secret, maybe maybe not. It seems there was only one bidding consortium, commercial in confidence is just aload of wank
 
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