Society/Culture Violence in Society; Who is to blame?

[scon]

I'd suggest it's not actually happening here.
There is a very moderate audience interested principally in the improvement of relations between all groups and individuals within the global and national community.
Another group claim to have identified feminists,leftists,conservationists,socialists and ice-cream sellers as the source of society's most visceral woes and inequalities.
Are their feminist extremists?
Masculist extremists?
Environmental extremists?
Dietary and child rearing extremists?
Humans with offensive world views and behaviour?

Bet your genitals there are.

Are you best served to not have prejudicial views about anyone or any group in society and therefore accept difference and be highly tolerant of a largely innocent diversity?
That's what we reckon we should do with our child-rearing so it's probly close to the mark.
Does this mean you are somehow constrained to accept horseshit?

Certainly would not have thought so.

 

[fleabitten]

In truth, I don't judge individual feminists before getting to know what opinions they hold. I do know real feminists with big hearts and no misguided malice toward men or delusions of some grand male conspiracy against their gender. I could employ a feminist tactic and just call those people humanists even if that's not what they call themselves, because that's basically what they are. They're just as passionate about improving the lot of refugees (male and female) and indigenous folk (again, of both genders) and opposing homophobia (against gay men and women) and countless other causes as they are concerned with gender equality. They might believe in a few feminist myths but their intentions are pure.

I'm a bit drunk and I like people more than I did before when I was sober.

 

[Cooldude]

Just curious as to what the law is for retaliating in self defense for assault, say if you got hit first then you hit them back

Dunno if it's talked about in this thread already (every post so ******* long I don't wanna read them), but bunch of women (I think with some men) were being campaigners and one of the women were hitting multiple people and one of this man she hit and provoked verbally slapped back and there are a bit of a brawl. Then the women who instigated were charged with a few felonies while the man who hit back has no charge

Not really here to debate the rights and wrongs of the case but just want some clarification of the law: so if someone hit me first unprovoked, and I put them in hospital, it's okay if it's in self defense?

 

[fleabitten]

Just curious as to what the law is for retaliating in self defense for assault, say if you got hit first then you hit them back

Dunno if it's talked about in this thread already (every post so ******* long I don't wanna read them), but bunch of women (I think with some men) were being campaigners and one of the women were hitting multiple people and one of this man she hit and provoked verbally slapped back and there are a bit of a brawl. Then the women who instigated were charged with a few felonies while the man who hit back has no charge

Not really here to debate the rights and wrongs of the case but just want some clarification of the law: so if someone hit me first unprovoked, and I put them in hospital, it's okay if it's in self defense?

I believe that you're allowed to take reasonable actions to protect yourself, your family and your property. So if someone slaps you and you beat the crap out of them, kicking them in the head once they are down, you can't claim self-defence as your reaction was disproportionate to the amount of danger that you were in.

 

[kfc1]

And men aren't choosing to have kids?

Apparently not

 

[scon]

I am hoping to gauge the opinions of others in relation to violence against women.

As a young woman, I am very disheartened by the way that some men dismiss violence against women as strictly a women's issue. I don't believe this to be the case. The majority of violent acts against women are committed by men. The majority of violent acts against men are also committed by men. This suggests that violence in general is very much a men's issue.

Like most women and a lot of men, I have been abused by men: whether that is in a close relationship with someone who is supposed to care about me or a random pervert putting his hands up my dress in a nightclub.

I am sick to death of the rise of these so-called 'men's rights' websites which serve only to mock women's rights and to denigrate women.

However, what hurts and disappoints me the most is that I am dismissed as being a feminist by men. I am a 20-something female with a love of Australian rules - who has a boyfriend, a father and a brother that I care about. I am not a man-hater or a femi-nazi or any other naive abusive term with which some men label both myself and other women like me. I just believe that I and every other female should have the same rights as men.

The OP did not seem in any way contentious to me;but close to 200 pages later the basic tenets of her observations and assertions remain disputed.
Seems absolute dogs' nuts to me:violence against women is an issue for all.
The fact that the majority of violence against women is perpetrated by males makes it a societal and male issue.
If it is only the minority of violence against women which is perpetrated by males,it remains a societal and male issue.
Men need to own the facts of their grubby behaviour regardless of how much it compromises their self esteem,confidence,image or respect.

 

[fleabitten]

Men need to own the facts of their grubby behaviour regardless of how much it compromises their self esteem,confidence,image or respect.

Huh? Why do men need to own anything that different individuals did? I'll speak out against sexism and racism and violence and whatever else I find abhorrent because I want to speak out against it, not because i have to "own it". This is that crazy s**t that makes people hate feminism. I'm no more guilty of that "grubby behaviour" than any woman.

 

[scon]

Huh? Why do men need to own anything that different individuals did? I'll speak out against sexism and racism and violence and whatever else I find abhorrent because I want to speak out against it, not because i have to "own it". This is that crazy s**t that makes people hate feminism. I'm no more guilty of that "grubby behaviour" than any woman.

Far too much violence against women by men;far too much obfuscation,denial and 50 shades of mock outrage.
I'd suggest it has absolutely nothing to do with 'feminism' and is more relevant to simple honesty about the horrific facts.

 

[fleabitten]

Not even sure what that means. Will try to read again tomorrow when sober.

 

[Cooldude]

I believe that you're allowed to take reasonable actions to protect yourself, your family and your property.

Unless you live in Florida, right? I can shoot you dead coz I don't like the music you play and I get off scot free!

 

[Chief]

Being a feminist means that you exclusively advocate women's rights when it comes to equality, egalitarianism means that you're advocating the rights of everyone (regardless of gender) when it comes to equality. You can't have it both ways.

I'm just bored with these tools.

There are plety of other places to post your crap.

Go there.

 

[Chief]

Instead of using all that energy explaining to people what feminism is supposed to be (to both anti-feminists and people who identify as feminists but have lost the plot), why not just ditch the label altogether? It's always going to be a divisive term because within the very name is the suggestion that its all about serving the interests of one gender. Rather than addressing violence against women, why not just address violence? Sometimes it might be more about empowering or protecting a certain segment of the population, but when you make your whole movement about the interests of one group of people, you're going to alienate people, and not all of those people are your enemies. You and I probably have pretty similar views on how we think our society should function, but here we are arguing about feminism. You consider yourself a feminist and I'm all like **** feminism, even though we're basically on the same page.

Blargh blargh blargh

 

[The Coup]

Now THIS is interesting

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-ignoring-domestic-abuse-in-a-lift?CMP=fb_gu

How would you act?

I'd like to think I would, but...

 

[John Dawh]

remember the dick brain who was beating his girlfriend outside a strip club in Melb about the time Dids was playing onball for the Pies. It was early in the morning and a guy was walking to work and intervened and the dick brain shot him to death.

 

[Russell Jones]

Now THIS is interesting

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-ignoring-domestic-abuse-in-a-lift?CMP=fb_gu

How would you act?

I'd like to think I would, but...

Disturbing. I'm pretty confident that I would have said something as I've been in a similar situation before and spoke up (guy outside a bar grabbing his gf by the hair). There are other hidden camera videos where people did step in and help at pretty good rates, so I wouldn't lose all faith in humanity over this one.

 

[John Dawh]

Apparently gypsies do this all the time in Europe as a rouse (is that a word?) to get people intervene and then they twist it around and rob the people who helped. Apparently locals don't buy into it but a lot of tourists get caught out.

** Was told by a mate who was born czech republic so I assume it's true. Don't know how common though.

 

[Keys]

Now THIS is interesting

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-ignoring-domestic-abuse-in-a-lift?CMP=fb_gu

How would you act?

I'd like to think I would, but...

So you're in a confined space with a guy going batshit crazy at his girlfriend. Good on the one lady that said something but she was clearly shitting herself. Everyone would like to think they'd stand up but self preservation is a pretty strong instinct.

 

[The Coup]

So you're in a confined space with a guy going batshit crazy at his girlfriend. Good on the one lady that said something but she was clearly shitting herself. Everyone would like to think they'd stand up but self preservation is a pretty strong instinct.

I agree. I'd like to think I'd say something but I'm not sure I would.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

You don't even know what feminism is, do you?

Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Masculism - the advocacy of men's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Egalitarian - a person who advocates or supports the principle of equality for all people.

Feminism has nothing to do with men's issues, it is exclusively set out to helping women's problems. Feminists only ever bring up instances of men's mental health to give male feminists a false sense of security and to try and goat men into blindly supporting their cause so they can shame other men who don't want to identify themselves as feminist.

The problem with feminism is that it is largely represented by misfits, such as yourself, Kynge of Begrem, cartwright, The Coup, etc. It is pretty much 99% of the reason why most people don't want to label themselves as feminist because of the negative annotation that comes with being associated with negative people and an unequal label.

No one is against women having equal rights and equal opportunity, it's just that most men and women can see through the bullshit propaganda that feminists spew.

Menzel calls me a misfit

 

[mottrain]

Menzel calls me a misfit

quality reply.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

quality reply.

quality response.

 

[Tas]

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Earlier in this thread (which really should be changed back to its original title) some of the MRA jihadis were arguing that less women were being killed by intimate partner violence. The primary evidence they relied on was a 'vibe' that they 'didn't hear about many cases'. Well, the year is not over yet and, according to the Australian, the toll stands at 52.

 

[evo]

Who is Menzel and why would I choose a Geelong players name?

she seems nice.

I wonder if she'd be interested in going with me on a double date with blackcat and his GF

 

[cartwright]

White Ribbon Day

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-25/white-ribbon-day/5915270

In a bid to help protect victims of domestic violence, a free Australian mobile phone app was been launched in time for White Ribbon Day.
Buzz News looks like a regular news app on a mobile phone, but has a hidden function that allows people to secretly contact friends and call for help.