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In the early days of the VFL before the First World War, the scoring tended to be lower and quite a few games back then would appear odd if the scorelines were repeated today, but quite normal for the early 1900s.

However, this game played in Round 11 1909 between eventual grand finalists Carlton and South Melbourne is downright bizarre, no matter which year it took place:

Carlton 0.4 0.11 9.13 9.14-68 d. South Melbourne 3.2 4.4 4.5 6.8-44

I can't imagine too many games occurring where a team is goal-less for three terms, and kicks 9 in the other to win the game as the Blues did. And the Swans kicked at least goal in every quarter except the third when Carlton was keeping the goal umpire busy at the other end of the ground.
 
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Here's a bizarre game played between St Kilda & Fitzroy at the Junction Oval in Round 16 1947:

Fitzroy 5.7 7.8 10.17 10.17-77
St Kilda 0.0 3.3 3.3 9.9-63

Besides the amazing symmetry by the Saints, they tripled their own 3/4 time score in the final term while keeping the Lions scoreless, but were too far behind to bring up their second win of the season.

Saints playing in St.Kilda as the away side... that's bizarre too. Well, that happened when Fitzroy played home games at JO against St.Kilda, but a few decades later.
 
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In the early days of the VFL before the First World War, the scoring tended to be lower and quite a few games back then would appear odd if the scorelines were repeated today, but quite normal for the early 1900s.

However, this game played in Round 11 1909 between eventual grand finalists Carlton and South Melbourne is downright bizarre, no matter which year it took place:

Carlton 0.4 0.11 9.13 9.14-68 d. South Melbourne 3.2 4.4 4.5 6.8-44

I can't imagine too many games occurring where a team is goal-less for three terms, and kicks 9 in the other to win the game as the Blues did. And the Swans kicked at least goal in every quarter except the third when Carlton was keeping the goal umpire busy at the other end of the ground.

If you saw that score today you'd be claiming match-fixing from the blues. Dominating in scoring shots in the first half but still trailing before they flick the switch and bang home 9.2 in the third.
 

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19.8 (122) v 2.27 (39)

This is such an outlier that I can't see how this could be easily topped. Two more scoring shots, yet losing by 83 points. It's incredible.

Yes, this Geelong win over Fitzroy is certainly one of the more bizarre games ever played.

This odd scoreline in a win by Melbourne over wooden-spooner Geelong in 1944 must have been frustrating to watch:

Melbourne 1.6 4.9 4.15 8.21-69 d. Geelong 1.1 4.3 4.6 8.8-56

While the win by exactly 13 points isn't all that odd, it is rare to see a team outscore its opponent in every term, yet both teams having the same number of goals at every term and at the final siren.
 

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Here is a Round 6 1947 game with interesting patterns of symmetry:

Richmond 5.3 9.9 14.16 18.18-126 d. Geelong 3.3 5.6 7.7 11.11

The Cats score was symmetrical at quarter time, the Tigers' half time score was symmetrical, the Cats again were symmetrical at three-quarter time and at the final siren, both Richmond and Geelong had symmetrical scores.


Another interesting game from that year is Fitzroy's 101-point thrashing of North Melbourne, played at Arden Street in Round 4:

Fitzroy 2.7 7.14 14.21 19.26-140 d. North Melbourne 0.3 0.8 0.14 4.15-39.

While the chances of finding out are limited given nearly 70-years have passed since that game was played, but one has to wonder if the Kangaroos were at one stage 0.15, before kicking 4.0 to finish the match.
 
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Here is a Round 6 1947 game with interesting patterns of symmetry:

Richmond 5.3 9.9 14.16 18.18-126 d. Geelong 3.3 5.6 7.7 11.11

The Cats score was symmetrical at quarter time, the Tigers' half time score was symmetrical, the Cats again were symmetrical at three-quarter time and at the final siren, both Richmond and Geelong had symmetrical scores.


Another interesting game from that year is Fitzroy's 101-point thrashing of North Melbourne, played at Arden Street in Round 4:

Fitzroy 2.7 7.14 14.21 19.26-140 d. North Melbourne 0.3 0.8 0.14 4.15-39.

While the chances of finding out are limited given nearly 70-years have passed since that game was played, but one has to wonder if the Kangaroos were at one stage 0.15, before kicking 4.0 to finish the match.

No, the match report in the Sporting Globe indicates that North kicked a goal soon after last quarter started, and then kicked another point later on.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178135032
 

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No, the match report in the Sporting Globe indicates that North kicked a goal soon after last quarter started, and then kicked another point later on.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178135032

Thanks The Croucher - I am amazed that this information would be available for an obscure match from so long ago. I thought the only way to find out might be to look at old newspaper reports on microfilm at the state library, and hope that the reporting journalist made reference to North's scoring pattern in the final term.
 
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Thanks The Croucher - I am amazed that this information would be available for an obscure match from so long ago. I thought the only way to find out might be to look at old newspaper reports on microfilm at the state library, and hope that the reporting journalist made reference to North's scoring pattern in the final term.

Makes one appreciate how lucky we are to have such a valuable resource online (Trove newspapers) as organised by the National Library of Australia.

Having the Sporting Globe (Saturday evening) editions helps with scoring pattern for VFL matches (and many VFA I suspect). In years to come perhaps The Herald (Saturday final edition) will also be available.

Here in Tassie we can only hope that future choices mean Saturday Evening Express (for NTFA) will be uploaded. In the meantime as you say, a trip to a library with good microfilm holdings is the best source.
 
Not sure if this one has been mentioned - round 17, North v Melbourne. North won by 1 point, 14.19.103 to 14.18.102

The interesting thing is North kicked 11 of its 14 goals in the 2nd quarter. Apart from that quarter when they were insanely good, the Roos were bloody awful for the rest of the match.
 
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Not sure if this one has been mentioned - round 17, North v Melbourne. North won by 1 point, 14.19.103 to 14.18.102

The interesting thing is North kicked 11 of its 14 goals in the 2nd quarter. Apart from that quarter when they were insanely good, the Roos were bloody awful for the rest of the match.

what year and where was it played?
 

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How about, what's the biggest margin in a game where the difference is purely down to behinds kicked?

For example, Brisbane v Collingwood, 1997: 7.26 (68) to 7.8 (50) is 18 points.
That was in fact Brisbane v Richmond in rd. 14 1997, with the Lions getting up. Brisbane v Collingwood in rd. 13 the same year went close to matching it (15 point margin - just one week earlier!), 11.22 (88) to 11.7 (73).

The top 5 margins I have are 22, 21, 21, 18 and 18:-
South Melbourne vs. Geelong 1944 Rd. 13 - 8.30 (78) to 8.8 (56) -- 22 points
Geelong vs. Melbourne 1913 Rd. 16 - 4.23 (47) to 4.2 (26) -- 21 points
Geelong vs. Footscray 1963 Rd. 3 - 10.25 (85) to 10.4 (64) -- 21 points
South Melbourne vs. Geelong 1919 Rd. 9 - 5.22 (52) to 5.4 (34) -- 18 points
Brisbane v Richmond 1997 Rd. 14 - 7.26 (68) to 7.8 (50) -- 18 points
 

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How about, what's the biggest margin in a game where the difference is purely down to behinds kicked?

For example, Brisbane v Collingwood, 1997: 7.26 (68) to 7.8 (50) is 18 points.

Page 192 of Stats Questions provides a few posts relating to this stat.
 

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That was in fact Brisbane v Richmond in rd. 14 1997, with the Lions getting up. Brisbane v Collingwood in rd. 13 the same year went close to matching it (15 point margin - just one week earlier!), 11.22 (88) to 11.7 (73).

The top 5 margins I have are 22, 21, 21, 18 and 18:-
South Melbourne vs. Geelong 1944 Rd. 13 - 8.30 (78) to 8.8 (56) -- 22 points
Geelong
vs. Melbourne 1913 Rd. 16 - 4.23 (47) to 4.2 (26) -- 21 points
Geelong
vs. Footscray 1963 Rd. 3 - 10.25 (85) to 10.4 (64) -- 21 points
South Melbourne
vs. Geelong 1919 Rd. 9 - 5.22 (52) to 5.4 (34) -- 18 points
Brisbane
v Richmond 1997 Rd. 14 - 7.26 (68) to 7.8 (50) -- 18 points

Interestingly all of the AFL's feline teams - Cats, Tigers and Lions - have been involved in these games.
 

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Is it winning a "symettrical" game, where both teams kick the same number of goals and behinds in their respective scores? For example, using Geelong as an example, in Round 6 1992 they defeated Fitzroy 25.25-175 to 11.11-77.

The most recent example of such a game I could think of was North Melbourne's win over Melbourne in Round 17 2008, the Kangaroos defeating the Demons 14.14-98 to 10.10-70.

I wouldn't imagine these games, like mirror image games, would occur very often.
This is driving me crazy.

the site no longer exists (or if it does, it's blocked) so I can't find the answer.... I've looked at both Melbourne's 1901 season and West Coast's 2007.

Came up with a few possibilities but only one of the two teams had it there.

In 1901 Melbourne in round 8 Melbourne scored 1.1 in both the third and final quarters against Geelong. But West Coast didn't do it in 2007.

IN 2007, West Coast scored 5.5.35 at half time and then 10.10.70 at full time against Geelong but Melbourne never did with a symmetrical score or at all.
 

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Here is a Round 6 1947 game with interesting patterns of symmetry:

Richmond 5.3 9.9 14.16 18.18-126 d. Geelong 3.3 5.6 7.7 11.11

The Cats score was symmetrical at quarter time, the Tigers' half time score was symmetrical, the Cats again were symmetrical at three-quarter time and at the final siren, both Richmond and Geelong had symmetrical scores.
There have been 2,239 final scores where a team has scored the same number of goals as behinds (out of 29,770 final scores). However, just 82 times both teams in a match have managed this (out of 14,885 matches). The most recent being:-

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A puzzle.

What scoring feat has only been done 23 times?

Has been done by Geelong the most but never by Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or St Kilda?

More clues here.
Quoted the wrong post.

this was what I was trying to solve.
 

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What page is that post from? I was trying to figure out what you were referring to with your previous post but not getting anywhere!

RogersResults is now here:- http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/index.htm
What scoring feat has been done 23 times?

The first instance was by Melbourne in 1901

It was done by West Coast in 2007.

It's been done the most by Geelong and Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or St Kilda have not done it.

Page three or four I think.
 

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What is it that in the history of AFL/VFL matches:

Has only been done 23 times,

Has been done by Geelong the most but never by Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or St Kilda.

Was first done by Melbourne in 1901, last done by West Coast in 2007.

Has been done the most against St Kilda but never against Brisbane, Collingwood, Fitzroy, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or West Coast.

Has Melbourne with the highest and lowest score in doing it.

Has had only 1 year when there was more than one occurrence.

Solution is here or here.
 

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What is it that in the history of AFL/VFL matches:

Has only been done 23 times,

Has been done by Geelong the most but never by Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or St Kilda.

Was first done by Melbourne in 1901, last done by West Coast in 2007.

Has been done the most against St Kilda but never against Brisbane, Collingwood, Fitzroy, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond or West Coast.

Has Melbourne with the highest and lowest score in doing it.

Has had only 1 year when there was more than one occurrence.

Solution is here or here.
I can't see anything that stands out after just checking Melbourne's 1901 season and West Coast's 2007. The (no longer working) links obviously suggest it has something to do with equal goals/behinds at some stage of a game. The answer can probably be found here somewhere (hopefully soon!):- http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/Rogers_Results/Tables contents.htm
 
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