Player Watch #32 - Corey Ellis

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I like left footers. We don't have enough left footers. My favourite all time player was a left footer. Left footers don't need to worry about kicking on both feet. Right footers are so arrogant that they think there's no such thing as a left footer and only ever defend a players right side. Then the left footer sends a laser pass to Jack/Griff/Ty. Rinse and Repeat. Premiership. Boom!

To those who are whinging about something you know little to nothing about (drafting and such), ssssshhhhhhhh. On a really sad day for sport, get some perspective. Welcome Corey. Enjoy your time in a Tigers jumper. Hopefully it's a long and fruitful one.
 
johnno77 said:
I like left footers. We don't have enough left footers. My favourite all time player was a left footer. Left footers don't need to worry about kicking on both feet. Right footers are so arrogant that they think there's no such thing as a left footer and only ever defend a players right side. Then the left footer sends a laser pass to Jack/Griff/Ty. Rinse and Repeat. Premiership. Boom!

To those who are whinging about something you know little to nothing about (drafting and such), ssssshhhhhhhh. On a really sad day for sport, get some perspective. Welcome Corey. Enjoy your time in a Tigers jumper. Hopefully it's a long and fruitful one.
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Johnnos favourite player is Greg Tivendale :eek::$
 
_Wang_ said:
Johnnos favourite player is Greg Tivendale :eek::$
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He did have a jumper number in the 30's. You might be onto something.....
 

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rammbo said:
Think he said he rated Ellis in the top 3 kicks not picks
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He did say kicks, but FJ seems to say that every year with our first round picks. Yet, B.Ellis is a good not elite kick, Conca - same, Vlastuin, good not elite.

C.Ellis - Elite kick? we'll find out. But surely FJ would look at champion data for 2014, who rated him as "below average" at 49% efficiency. How can FJ see something so different?
 
weekesy said:
He did say kicks, but FJ seems to say that every year with our first round picks. Yet, B.Ellis is a good not elite kick, Conca - same, Vlastuin, good not elite.

C.Ellis - Elite kick? we'll find out. But surely FJ would look at champion data for 2014, who rated him as "below average" at 49% efficiency. How can FJ see something so different?
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It's not just FJ
12 RICHMOND: COREY ELLIS

(Western Jets, 9/10/96, 184cm, 74kg)

Reliable, disciplined midfielder with possibly the most accurate kick in the draft.

The rationale: The Tigers want to keep adding to their midfield, and Ellis is one of the most efficient onballers in the draft. Never loses his cool, goes quietly about his business and gets the ball where it needs to go.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...s-firstround-predictions-20141127-11uey0.html
 
weekesy said:
He did say kicks, but FJ seems to say that every year with our first round picks. Yet, B.Ellis is a good not elite kick, Conca - same, Vlastuin, good not elite.

C.Ellis - Elite kick? we'll find out. But surely FJ would look at champion data for 2014, who rated him as "below average" at 49% efficiency. How can FJ see something so different?
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Because he carried a foot injury this year and was over 70% in previous years
 
For those who want it, here is Knightmare's thoughts on Ellis:

Corey Ellis (VIC – Util)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Draft range: 8-25
Best position/role: Half forward flank.

Strengths:

Footskills – Ellis when given the time and space on the outside demonstrates excellent footskills on his left side and the consistent ability to hit his targets around the ground. He kicks are well weighted and out in front of his targets for them to lead onto.

Vision – Ellis demonstrates excellent vision and is a real playmaker with his ability to find the targets inside the forward 50. When he has the time and space he will lower his eyes and find the best target.

Versatility – Ellis has shown the versatility to play through the midfield in outside or inside roles, the ability to play forward and also the ability to play off a back flank.

Evasiveness – Ellis is not freakishly evasive or a sidestepping specialist but at times can great more time for himself with some ball fakes or by stopping on a dime and having opposition players run past him.

Not a soft outside player – Ellis is capable of winning some of his own ball inside the contest and has a nice balance between contested and uncontested ball winning numbers, he also is a lively tackler and around the ball gives relatively good tackling effort.

Scoreboard impact – While his goalkicking tally will not show it averaging less than a goal a game through the TAC Cup, his 6 goals, 11 behinds from 8 games suggests that he can get into position to have shots at goal.

Weaknesses:

Speed/athleticism – Ellis has only average pace and is not a threat to break the lines or take on the game with his pace as someone who is not overly quick.

Decision making under pressure – Under pressure Ellis often has a really rushed feel. He can get his handballs off to a target when the opportunity is there but when force to kick he can be prone to some poor kicks forward leading to turnovers.

Ability to cope with a tag – At this stage if anyone plays an even relatively accountable game on Ellis it seems to really rattle him and his impact on the game as a result becomes negligible.

Best position? – At this stage Ellis to me does not have a clear best position. I would be inclined to think he would be best suited on a forward flank given he can hit some meaningful inside 50 targets but there is still that question mark until he really looks settled somewhere.

Production – Ellis’s production throughout the year in the Tac Cup has been fairly mild as an only average accumulator.

What I expect will improve:
I anticipate Ellis works to add some pace and finds a best position but otherwise I expect he works to continue to improve upon his strengths.

Who he can become?
Ellis has some Didak to him but is less productive, less freakishly talented version.

When will he be ready to play?
Ellis will need to improve his game first at state league level but by season two he would be hoping to push for some senior opportunities and come season three will be hoping for regular senior games.

How to best utilise him?
Ellis at this stage looks like he would be utilised as a playmaker on a forward flank.

Interpretation of his numbers:
Ellis is not a high volume accumulator and while he had a couple of high production games early on through the U18 Championships that production died away over the latter games. Similarly through the TAC Cup while he had a big game v Northern Territory with 30+ disposals, 10+ marks and two goals there were no other games where he had 30 disposals or more than even five mark or more than one goal in any of his other games. His disposal efficiency also is only about average at just below 70% through the U18 Championships and his kicking efficiency through the TAC Cup below 50%. His conversion from shots at goal is also poor with nearly twice as many behinds as he had goals through the TAC Cup.
 

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Grockadoc said:
For those who want it, here is Knightmare's thoughts on Ellis:

Corey Ellis (VIC – Util)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Draft range: 8-25
Best position/role: Half forward flank.

Strengths:

Footskills – Ellis when given the time and space on the outside demonstrates excellent footskills on his left side and the consistent ability to hit his targets around the ground. He kicks are well weighted and out in front of his targets for them to lead onto.

Vision – Ellis demonstrates excellent vision and is a real playmaker with his ability to find the targets inside the forward 50. When he has the time and space he will lower his eyes and find the best target.

Versatility – Ellis has shown the versatility to play through the midfield in outside or inside roles, the ability to play forward and also the ability to play off a back flank.

Evasiveness – Ellis is not freakishly evasive or a sidestepping specialist but at times can great more time for himself with some ball fakes or by stopping on a dime and having opposition players run past him.

Not a soft outside player – Ellis is capable of winning some of his own ball inside the contest and has a nice balance between contested and uncontested ball winning numbers, he also is a lively tackler and around the ball gives relatively good tackling effort.

Scoreboard impact – While his goalkicking tally will not show it averaging less than a goal a game through the TAC Cup, his 6 goals, 11 behinds from 8 games suggests that he can get into position to have shots at goal.

Weaknesses:

Speed/athleticism – Ellis has only average pace and is not a threat to break the lines or take on the game with his pace as someone who is not overly quick.

Decision making under pressure – Under pressure Ellis often has a really rushed feel. He can get his handballs off to a target when the opportunity is there but when force to kick he can be prone to some poor kicks forward leading to turnovers.

Ability to cope with a tag – At this stage if anyone plays an even relatively accountable game on Ellis it seems to really rattle him and his impact on the game as a result becomes negligible.

Best position? – At this stage Ellis to me does not have a clear best position. I would be inclined to think he would be best suited on a forward flank given he can hit some meaningful inside 50 targets but there is still that question mark until he really looks settled somewhere.

Production – Ellis’s production throughout the year in the Tac Cup has been fairly mild as an only average accumulator.

What I expect will improve:
I anticipate Ellis works to add some pace and finds a best position but otherwise I expect he works to continue to improve upon his strengths.

Who he can become?
Ellis has some Didak to him but is less productive, less freakishly talented version.

When will he be ready to play?
Ellis will need to improve his game first at state league level but by season two he would be hoping to push for some senior opportunities and come season three will be hoping for regular senior games.

How to best utilise him?
Ellis at this stage looks like he would be utilised as a playmaker on a forward flank.

Interpretation of his numbers:
Ellis is not a high volume accumulator and while he had a couple of high production games early on through the U18 Championships that production died away over the latter games. Similarly through the TAC Cup while he had a big game v Northern Territory with 30+ disposals, 10+ marks and two goals there were no other games where he had 30 disposals or more than even five mark or more than one goal in any of his other games. His disposal efficiency also is only about average at just below 70% through the U18 Championships and his kicking efficiency through the TAC Cup below 50%. His conversion from shots at goal is also poor with nearly twice as many behinds as he had goals through the TAC Cup.
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That's quite a depressing read really. I prefer to keep the post about him being pendlebury-like in my mind!
Not left field in the way Conca was, (i think that taught FJ that he is not smarter than everyone else!).
Good luck Corey! 'The Cellist'?
 
PetterdHoisted said:
That's quite a depressing read really. I prefer to keep the post about him being pendlebury-like in my mind!
Not left field in the way Conca was, (i think that taught FJ that he is not smarter than everyone else!).
Good luck Corey! 'The Cellist'?
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It would have been done round about the same time he injured his foot which may explain some of the 'weaknesses'.
 
PetterdHoisted said:
That's quite a depressing read really. I prefer to keep the post about him being pendlebury-like in my mind!
Not left field in the way Conca was, (i think that taught FJ that he is not smarter than everyone else!).
Good luck Corey! 'The Cellist'?
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I'll differ a bit from that opinion.

He's really cool and composed under pressure. His ability to think his way through pressure situations is of high class. Elite in that way. His kicking whether under pressure or on his own, is elite. I only rated Duggan higher.

His weaknesses are the fact he isn't quick, he's had an injury most of the year so his production was down, but early in the year when he was fit he showed his high production.

He will take time cause he won't have a full pre season this year. I think by round 11 he should be carving up the VFL and put his name up for selection.

One thing with Ellis is he won't be a standout. He will do his work and you won't hardly notice it but he will add that inside class to our team. Also if he has the ball 60 to 70 meters out, the forwards should be licking their lips. He will hit them on the title every time.

All in all when I first heard about our interest in Ellis at pick 12 I was shocked and confused. I was fortunate to do a bit of research and watch old tapes of him and talk to people he played with and the same thing was coming out that this kid is very good.

I'm still in the Weller should have been taken camp but I'm not upset by the selection and think we have a 200 gamer on our hands.

Best case scenario Ellis is a Simon Black type.

Worst case scenario is his foot injury never fully recovers and he's out of the system in three years.
 
fightingfury said:
Lol can't believe people are already beating up on this kid, hasn't even run a lap of punt road yet. These recruiters look at them all year, I remember looking at Reece Concas highlights when we drafted him, prob the best highlight package I have ever seen! Now although Reece is no donkey, he certainly hasn't lived up to that highlight package so far. Some of the best players have not the best highlight packages eg Lenny Hayes, Jordan Lewis, brad Sewell, Luke ball in his younger days. F*k even Jobe Watson looked average in his first few years
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Watson wasn't on the juice then
 
JAKLAUGHING said:
Slow...
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Sam Mitchel is apparently slow too..... So was Matty Knights..... Diesel... etc etc...

You can have the most pace in the world but if you are slow from hand to foot and have poor decision making than you wont get far.....

Ellis still needs to build on his body which will help him. Has more upside than some of the mids picked before him IMO... Very well balanced player by the looks.

I like.

Would have loved Cockatoo though.
 
Tigerbob said:
I'll differ a bit from that opinion.

He's really cool and composed under pressure. His ability to think his way through pressure situations is of high class. Elite in that way. His kicking whether under pressure or on his own, is elite. I only rated Duggan higher.

His weaknesses are the fact he isn't quick, he's had an injury most of the year so his production was down, but early in the year when he was fit he showed his high production.

He will take time cause he won't have a full pre season this year. I think by round 11 he should be carving up the VFL and put his name up for selection.

One thing with Ellis is he won't be a standout. He will do his work and you won't hardly notice it but he will add that inside class to our team. Also if he has the ball 60 to 70 meters out, the forwards should be licking their lips. He will hit them on the title every time.

All in all when I first heard about our interest in Ellis at pick 12 I was shocked and confused. I was fortunate to do a bit of research and watch old tapes of him and talk to people he played with and the same thing was coming out that this kid is very good.

I'm still in the Weller should have been taken camp but I'm not upset by the selection and think we have a 200 gamer on our hands.

Best case scenario Ellis is a Simon Black type.

Worst case scenario is his foot injury never fully recovers and he's out of the system in three years.
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Thanks for your thoughts, the elite kick into the forward 50 is extremely interesting when one reads about young Mckenzie being able to clunk everything in his path
 
Would've preferred to take Weller first, but oh well, all done and dusted now. Hope the majority of us are wrong and Ellis turns out to be a star.

Been reading about Ellis and watching all of his highlights, and I still can't think of a player comparison/what type of player he is - he seems to do a bit of everything. The only player I can think of that he reminds me of is Pendlebury (let's hope). Can anyone here who is more educated on this topic enlighten me?
 
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