West Indies vs England, 3 test matches

[Hellgood]

Absolutely brilliant effort by Holder. Despite the rubbishing of Ramdin earlier on in this thread, he put in a s**t load of application in too. Has lifted his lifted his game in tests since been inheriting the captaincy.

10 overs left so they aren't out of the woods, but beats the usual soundbites of people lamenting the lack of a collective West Indian spine.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Absolutely brilliant effort by Holder. Despite the rubbishing of Ramdin earlier on in this thread, he put in a s**t load of application in too. Has lifted his lifted his game in tests since been inheriting the captaincy.

10 overs left so they aren't out of the woods, but beats the usual soundbites of people lamenting the lack of a collective West Indian spine.

Holder is going to be some player for them. He'll end up at 6 at some point. Batted better than most of them in the World Cup too.

 

[Hellgood]

Holder is going to be some player for them. He'll end up at 6 at some point. Batted better than most of them in the World Cup too.

Very similar kind of batsman to Darren Sammy. 'Big levers' as James Brayshaw would delight in telling you, which allow them to reach the ball wherever it pitches from a spinner and a great amount of character in the face of adversity. Like Sammy, not sure if they'll ever want him batting above 7 for workload purposes but I think he'll end up with a very healthy average.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Very similar kind of batsman to Darren Sammy. 'Big levers' as James Brayshaw would delight in telling you, which allow them to reach the ball wherever it pitches from a spinner and a great amount of character in the face of adversity. Like Sammy, not sure if they'll ever want him batting above 7 for workload purposes but I think he'll end up with a very healthy average.

I like Sammy a lot but Holder is a cut above., For such a young player, Holder has an excellent temperament which is always the thing lacking with current Windies players. He's also a lot of room for improvement, he'll end up in the top 6, they can't afford for him not to be.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

God, aaahh, Cook, aahhm, is a bloody aaaahh, awful umm, speaker.

 

[The_Reaper]

Pretty impressive from Holder. I think that was his first score above 50 at first class level?

 

[Shiv]

I like Sammy a lot but Holder is a cut above., For such a young player, Holder has an excellent temperament which is always the thing lacking with current Windies players. He's also a lot of room for improvement, he'll end up in the top 6, they can't afford for him not to be.

Most windies players have been lacking temperament for the past 20 years! So refreshing to see holder play well and actually compete in Test matches.

 

[Shiv]

So happy to see holder bat well in Test matches, he has shown a lot of the windies players what actual application at the crease can achieve. Great to see him show soo much passion and care for the team. Hopefully it'll rub off on the young guys and we can see a positive change in the windies cricketing attitude to test matches which was lacking for the last 20 years. Senior players and cricket administrators who have not put windies cricket above themselves should be ashamed of themselves after seeing what Holder has shown for the past year. I have tremendous respect for this young man. I hope he is the one that can lead to a change in windies attitude towards cricket, I don't even care if they are immensely successful or not. I just want to see a change of attitude and show the world that they actually value their place in the team and want to fight to improve windies cricket.

 

[Hellgood]

Pretty impressive from Holder. I think that was his first score above 50 at first class level?

Nah he had made a 50 on debut against the Kiwis last year.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Incoming ECB boss Graves said he is expecting a dominate win in this series. Anything less and Moores and the current regime are finished.
I will take a drawn series if it means having a clear-out.

 

[happy_eagle]

God, aaahh, Cook, aahhm, is a bloody aaaahh, awful umm, speaker.

You wonder how he wins any support from the players. Doesn't seem the captain type at all

As much as some people on here dont like Michael Clarke, we all know how he can rev up the troops when required

 

[frankrizzo]

You wonder how he wins any support from the players.

I think they just sack the ones who see him for the dunce that he is.

 

[happy_eagle]

I think they just sack the ones who see him for the dunce that he is.

Its been widely sourced that Swann, Prior and Anderson ran that dressing room when Cook was captain, often ignoring what he said or speaking on his behalf

 

[The_Reaper]

You wonder how he wins any support from the players. Doesn't seem the captain type at all

As much as some people on here dont like Michael Clarke, we all know how he can rev up the troops when required

He comes from a good family though.

The kind of family Giles Clarke wants an English Captain to come from

 

[Donnie Darko]

He comes from a good family though.

The kind of family Giles Clarke wants an English Captain to come from

Nobody else in the team can claim to be from a choir boy /farming background like Cook .

 

[Doodlesweaver]

He comes from a good family though.

The kind of family Giles Clarke wants an English Captain to come from

Giles Clarke should never have been allowed in front of mics. He's like one of those more dinosaur Tory MPs who lives within a cloud of entitlement.

 

[Phone]

the new guy isn't exactly proving himself to deserve microphone honours either

 

[HBF]

Its been widely sourced that Swann, Prior and Anderson ran that dressing room when Cook was captain, often ignoring what he said or speaking on his behalf

OT I know, but has it ever come out why Swann pulled the pin halfway through last years Ashes tour?

 

[happy_eagle]

OT I know, but has it ever come out why Swann pulled the pin halfway through last years Ashes tour?

Supposedly his hand/wrist was ****ed to the extent that he couldn't get any spin on the ball at all
This is supported by the fact we haven't seen him play any cricket since

 

[HBF]

Supposedly his hand/wrist was stuffed to the extent that he couldn't get any spin on the ball at all
This is supported by the fact we haven't seen him play any cricket since

Cheers mate.
Just with the way his press conference went when he retired, I thought there might have been something more sinister.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Cheers mate.
Just with the way his press conference went when he retired, I thought there might have been something more sinister.

I think he was told that he was being dropped for the 4th test and made a hasty decision to just quit. I dont believe his wrist was so bad he had to quit his career. You still him playing golf regularly. A sport that cant be good for a man who supposedly has a terrible wrist.

 

[QAFL_Fan]

Holder is a similar type of player to Sammy, but has a superior technical base from what I can see. So he could definitely progress to batting at 5 or 6 with his talent.

Sammy was just a guy who had a beautiful eye and incredible determination. He never scored a run when the top order fired, he specialised in scoring them when the top order failed out of pure will. Bit like Chris Hartley actually.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Jaffer of a ball to dismiss Braithwaite by Anderson

 

[The_Reaper]

Good fightback by Samuels.

They were in real doo-doo

 

[Hellgood]

Didn't get to see any of it, but frustrating that Bravo gets another start and doesn't go on. He's made some huge scores in the past, especially early on in his test career, but recently he just keeps playing handy knocks. Possesses the talent and temperament to be among the best young batsmen in the world with Williamson, Root and Smith.