Analysis What support has the Club given Hardwick in the coaches box for this year ?
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Buckley made the inquiry .... We didn't. Asleep at the wheel. Balme would have been exactly what the club and Dimma needed IMO. An experienced campaigner who knows what a successful club looks like.
A successful club goes out and gets the people they need.
Our lack of head hunting must mean we are locked and loaded and are happy to wait for improvement with in.
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I don't know mate maybe Jack Dyer or something I'm only guessing that he'd have a close relationship with someone from the Club he played for . It's a real wild guess and a long shot. It certainly wasn't in the review so your guess is as good as mine .
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I was trying to discuss the topic seriously, unfortunately the OP when pressed couldn't/wouldn't provide a response to a legitimate question. Then as per usual went down the path of labeling me a troll and his mate then decided to pile in as well.
As it is I'm no longer following this thread as it's quite clear why it was posted.
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Dismissing Campbell in one breath as technically not an assistant and then saying Choco, Bailey and McQualter who are all in development roles are assistants is paramount to trolling in my opinion ...
Nothing changes.
As I stated where is the 12? I think your realise you were mistaken. I actually think we aren't that cashed up, purely as it seems we don't want to get into debt again. Bearing this in mind, can we pay the top dollar to get the Voss's of this world? Probably but then you have to ask are they worth it( as you stated you don't like him). Do we actually know we didn't have a crack at these coaches and we just didn't rate them as highly as others or wouldn't offer the amount due to our perceived value in dollar terms? Put it this way, if Voss cost 500k, we have just halved our profit for the year. Would I have done? Actually yes I would, I like Voss. Mind you it isn't because of any 'help' DH needs in the box, just purely as a midfield coach to teach the position to out players. I think we have plenty of IP in our senior assistants, and all clubs understand how teams play, its just a matter of our own players ability to counteract this regardless of how many times they are told what to do to play against it.
As I said I don't have an issue with the idea of better coaches for the players, just thought there wasn't nearly enough options as you made out.
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Options are every where... We can poach from other clubs too like Brisbane did to us.
We spent an extra 1.9 million last year on the football department... We have the cash.
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Should Freo have kept Harvey because he was doing a gear job?
I'm sure we could have both Balme and Dan working together...
But you like the current set up.. And I respect that.
I however think Dimma needs more experienced heads around him.. and not increasing that experience might be his and our downfall.
What I do think is after 6 years we should have no doubt that Dimma is the man for the job.... Can anyone honestly say he is?
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of course we can pouch if we want. hell, like you said, Port who are in major debt, threw more money they dont have at Voss BUT the simple truth is that the club rates who we have now, they have invested in them and are banking on them to do the job. Time will tell if they are right or not.
Again you wont concede that there wasn't 12 or so coaches who 'moved' in the off season. Yes we could poach coaches but they have to be out of contract now unless you want to pay compensation to those clubs, as this is now the norm. I am sure all clubs have an idea who come out of contract at any given time and we would have looked at this. I personally believe we/should only want specific positional coach types( like Voss/Ratten as midfield specialists or Rutten as a KPD coach, not necessarily jack of all trades, master of none types), which is why we have gone down the way of Hayes/Rutten. Also just because we did spend the 1.9m last year, do you think they have stated we need to save money now that we 'have' spent this money? Or wait till next year after we have saved some more money then use it?
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I however think Dimma needs more experienced heads around him.. and not increasing that experience might be his and our downfall.- Agree but only time will tell.
What I do think is after 6 years we should have no doubt that Dimma is the man for the job.... Can anyone honestly say he is?- Agree that by the end of the year we will know if he is the coach to take us to a flag. As to your second part of the question, we can answer that at the end of the year.
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The simple truth??? Who are? Are you on the pay roll at the club? With All due respect I don't value your opinion at all and have seen enough from your posting in the past to suggest you are a know it all that thinks he gets the good oil. Please don't engage in my posting by quoting me any more.
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Ok not over 12 but over 7 ....
Contracts don't mean much if you want to get the right person... And you attract him with a better position.
The difference is Freo thought that Harvey wasn't as good as Lyon so they sacked him, where as the club clearly thinks Richo is doing as good a job. Big difference imo. I personally don't think you can have 2 general managers of Football working together as the hierarchy wont work. Who is the boss, and who reports to who? Too many chiefs doesn't work.
I think it is fair to say we don't know if DH is the man for the job, as it is up for debate. However I do believe it also depends on who is available as well. Imo you don't replace DH for a rookie coach. This year will define his tenure I think. I also believe we have enough experience around him, which may then be good or bad for him.
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After 6 years there should be no doubt
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Wasn't aimed at you ???
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thanks for that but it was 6, you cant include Daly.
So we didn't have the option to keep his experience????? Hmmm wow please fill us in on the dirt?
What? You want coaches to come to us, so since he wasn't going to leave and then come back he shouldn't be in the discussion. Remember the discussion was about needing more experience in the coaching department as it is perceived to be lacking knowledge. If that is the case, then Daly who also was apart of that group is perceived to be lacking in knowledge. Remember when he was the midfield coach and we aren't going well in the first half of the year? He was moved back to the fwdline, in the second half of the year and did better. Would I keep him, of course. But the context of who we could get, shouldn't be who left us imo.
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We could of made a serious move for Balme before getting Richardson could we not?
As for assistants there was way more than 12 applicants to look at in regards to increasing experience in the coaches box some contracted to other clubs and some not but the fact is people with jobs in the Football industry all have contracts and if your head hunting the high performers then chances are they have a year or two left to go with the clubs they are at. Find the best possible way to work within this system and get the right people on board and Damien the support he needs.
I barrack for the Richmond Footy Club , yes I think Hardwick struggles but I do not hate him . Even though I am certain there are better coaches out there I'd like to see Damien succeed because that means the Richmond Footy Club succeeds.
The review showed that he struggles most on match days and that he needed more support and that was not given , now Choco is ill he could miss more important support at various stages of the year when Choco has a break , treatment or does not travel interstate.
I think the club has let Damien down in this area and I hope he improved dramatically on match days and pulls us through to a very successful year.
As for assistants there was way more than 12 applicants to look at in regards to increasing experience in the coaches box some contracted to other clubs and some not but the fact is people with jobs in the Football industry all have contracts and if your head hunting the high performers then chances are they have a year or two left to go with the clubs they are at. Find the best possible way to work within this system and get the right people on board and Damien the support he needs.
I barrack for the Richmond Footy Club , yes I think Hardwick struggles but I do not hate him . Even though I am certain there are better coaches out there I'd like to see Damien succeed because that means the Richmond Footy Club succeeds.
The review showed that he struggles most on match days and that he needed more support and that was not given , now Choco is ill he could miss more important support at various stages of the year when Choco has a break , treatment or does not travel interstate.
I think the club has let Damien down in this area and I hope he improved dramatically on match days and pulls us through to a very successful year.
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