Why conduct an 18 month enquiry into an ETS?

[swingdog]

I am willing to change my mind though if the evidence suddenly does a 360. Just like a did 3 years ago in regards to 911.

No, not going to ask, but thanks for the heads up of being batshit crazy.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Aren't they giving 2.5billion to the biggest polluters to clean their act up?
So it is alright to give public money to multinationals & screw the pensioners, pour people, etc.but tell us there is a budget emergency. The ets should be in play now.

It's called conservative politics.

 

[Lebbo73]

Surely being so blatantly dishonest means we are right to question the veracity of your arguments from here on in. Why lie when it is so easy to fact check.

He was never a Greenpeace co-founder, he was an early member.

Secondly, he is also pro-logging amongst other things.

This doesn't discredit his credentials, what it does show is a) people can form divergent opinions, b) you are confusing opinion with supportable scientific facts, so appeals to authority and thus c) the abscensce of critical thinking. That you are neither interested in, nor capable of addressing an issue in a critical and thoughtful fashion, but would rather just believe people who agree with your predetermined position, then lie about who they are in the hope others will also be fooled, makes me distrust your motives

 

[romeoh]

I look at the facts. The facts are:
that there has been no warming since 1998
carbon dioxide levels were higher in the last Ice Age
renewable energy is not feasible yet

You need to broaden your research.The information's quite overwhelming. Your attitudes are a dinosaurian.

 

[romeoh]

Yep it is quite ludicrous to waste excessive amounts to time and money on something they have already ruled out ever implementing. Hunt on 7.30 report last night-very funny- refused to answer this question, several times. Just banged on and on about -guess what-'we have dumped the carbon tax and everyone is now rolling in money.' Go Greggy. This mob is beyond out of touch.

 

[scon]

You need to broaden your research.The information's quite overwhelming. Your attitudes are a dinosaurian.

Don't want to be churlish but if only you were right given the lack of dinosaurs in my neighbourhood.

Yep it is quite ludicrous to waste excessive amounts to time and money on something they have already ruled out ever implementing. Hunt on 7.30 report last night-very funny- refused to answer this question, several times. Just banged on and on about -guess what-'we have dumped the carbon tax and everyone is now rolling in money.' Go Greggy. This mob is beyond out of touch.

Leigh Sales,the stern faced pro had a bloody laugh at the evasive infant,after asking the Q 4x.
The guvment meeja PR invoice is for:

"IGNORE QUESTION;BLAME PREVIOUS GUVMENT."

"RINSE."

"REPEAT."

 

[Lebbo73]

You need to broaden your research.The information's quite overwhelming. Your attitudes are a dinosaurian.

Yep. I am a dinosaur. You are brainwashed. So be it.

 

[romeoh]

Yep. I am a dinosaur. You are brainwashed. So be it.

Haha but no cigars-read the material--get yourself informed.

 

[pokerspiv]

ETS and Direct Action are both a waste of time and money.

Nothing Australia does will make a pinch of difference to the climate. We are a country of less than 25 million and our contribution to total emissions is negligible.

 

[swingdog]

ETS and Direct Action are both a waste of time and money.

Nothing Australia does will make a pinch of difference to the climate. We are a country of less than 25 million and our contribution to total emissions is negligible.

Presumably you'd think that Iran, Italy, France and South Africa also shouldn't bother as we emit more than them.

Australia is the 14th largest emitter in the world.

 

[pokerspiv]

Presumably you'd think that Iran, Italy, France and South Africa also shouldn't bother as we emit more than them.

Australia is the 14th largest emitter in the world.

That's pretty meaningless when the 3 biggest are responsible for over 50%.

Australia's emissions are about 1% of total world emissions. Completely meaningless for us to do anything until China, USA and India do something.

 

[little graham]

There's a pretty coherent case for an ETS now that pricing carbon built for itself, our emissions decreased and our economy kept growing.

Anyone who tries and denies the liberal party is controlled by coal barons and old school energy companies should leave this country and go back to where they come from.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/sas...-array-proposed-redeveloped-car-factory-43908

generate a potential 3.6 megawatts of electricity; enough to power up to 770 homes a year and save 2430 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions.
If it goes ahead at that size, it will be three times bigger than the next biggest rooftop solar array, the 1.2MW installation at the University of Queensland.

Now coal can't compete with this. An 18 month study gives the corrupt liberals time, exit strategy and cover story. If they get criticism they can point to this study.

 

[little graham]

Australia's emissions are about 1% of total world emissions. Completely meaningless for us to do anything until China, USA and India do something.

What about the coal and uranium we sell, how much of other countries emissions are from our fossil fuels? Now we emmitt 1 %, what about per capita, whats those numbers?

 

[pokerspiv]

What about the coal and uranium we sell, how much of other countries emissions are from our fossil fuels? Now we emmitt 1 %, what about per capita, whats those numbers?

I am pretty sure the atmosphere doesn't care what our per capita emissions are.

 

[little graham]

I am pretty sure the atmosphere doesn't care what our per capita emissions are.

You made a claim, you were challenged and you answered with stupidity and arrogance.

Imagine how bad global warming would be if the other 7 billion people on this planet wasted fossil fuel generated energy like Australians do. We emmitt more per person than any other country. You know this.

 

[swingdog]

That's pretty meaningless when the 3 biggest are responsible for over 50%.

Australia's emissions are about 1% of total world emissions. Completely meaningless for us to do anything until China, USA and India do something.

That's and old and very weak dodge.

 

[Lebbo73]

Anyone who tries and denies the liberal party is controlled by coal barons and old school energy companies should leave this country and go back to where they come from.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/sas...-array-proposed-redeveloped-car-factory-43908



Now coal can't compete with this. An 18 month study gives the corrupt liberals time, exit strategy and cover story. If they get criticism they can point to this study.

So you want to get rid of what pays your welfare cheques because it has neglible effects on temperature and replace it with something that will quadruple power bills.

 

[pokerspiv]

That's and old and very weak dodge.

The age of the argument is quite irrelevant. Australia instituting an ETS would do precisely nothing to alter the climate. The entire rationale behind it was that us having one would convince China and the USA to institute one too. Truly an embarrassingly hubristic policy from start to finish.

 

[little graham]

So you want to get rid of what pays your welfare cheques because it has neglible effects on temperature and replace it with something that will quadruple power bills.

What pays my welfar checks again? what has negligible effects on temperature? What quadruples power bills?

Please i would like to see independant verification for your claims..

 

[swingdog]

The age of the argument is quite irrelevant. Australia instituting an ETS would do precisely nothing to alter the climate. The entire rationale behind it was that us having one would convince China and the USA to institute one too. Truly an embarrassingly hubristic policy from start to finish.

It wasn't but I assume you know that and just don't like the idea of polluter pays, so we'll leave it there.

 

[pazza]

The age of the argument is quite irrelevant. Australia instituting an ETS would do precisely nothing to alter the climate. The entire rationale behind it was that us having one would convince China and the USA to institute one too. Truly an embarrassingly hubristic policy from start to finish.

And yet China are actually introducing such actio n, as is half of the US despite Obama wanting it to go national.

So it is not as if China and the US aren't doing anything - they are.

 

[Chief]

And yet China are actually introducing such actio n, as is half of the US despite Obama wanting it to go national.

So it is not as if China and the US aren't doing anything - they are.

But if they are already doing something... we don't need to.

The argument pays for itself after two uses!

 

[pazza]

But if they are already doing something... we don't need to.

The argument pays for itself after two uses!

What it probably means is the lack of doing something, puts us out of the game on environmental policy.

 

[Chief]

What it probably means is the lack of doing something, puts us out of the game on environmental policy.

I wholeheartedly wish this was all an air-pollution issue. Nobody can argue that we want clean air.

 

[madmug]

I wholeheartedly wish this was all an air-pollution issue. Nobody can argue that we want clean air.

It clearly is in China. They are choking on the stuff. Thats why we need to diversify industry & not put all our eggs in the coal basket. The Chinese will/are diversifying into renewables. They put an import duty on our coal to support their own coal industry. Its time to read the tea leaves & develop our own renewables. Yes Coal has a roll, but its silly not to look at our future,
Clearly too we have a Gument that acts like its still in the 1950's.