Why Do We Have A Batting Coach?

[sherb]

I asked this question in the match thread.

It's not to help batsmen sort out technical defects (see Shane Watson).
It's not to help our batsmen adjust to overseas wickets and bat accordingly (see how our batsmen have performed in this test).
It's not to get our batsmen to treat opposition bowlers with respect (see Ali's wickets this test match).
It's not to get our batsmen to bat responsibly and/or value their wicket (again, see how our batsmen have performed in this test).

So why do we have a batting coach?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Because we clearly need one. Regularly 5 for * all!

The question should be do we have the right batting coach.

 

[sherb]

Because we clearly need one. Regularly 5 for **** all!

The question should be do we have the right batting coach.

These problems exist no matter who the batting coach is though.

What's the job description, to piss in the players' pockets?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

These problems exist no matter who the batting coach is though.

What's the job description, to piss in the players' pockets?

Maybe we do need a long hard look at ourselves like England appear to have done but it's evident we need one though. Are the players being coached in the right manner at shield level? or are they getting poor coaching once they get to the Australian set up?

 

[Cleavy]

do Test players not know how to occupy the crease and grind out an innings if necessary? Has ODI and T20 cricket saturated the landscape so much that the modern day cricketers instincts are to hit their way out of trouble and there's no Plan B (which was to rotate the strike in the old days)?

 

[Hamez]

I'm pretty sure Michael Di Venuto is the batting coach.

 

[Ashton Agar]

do Test players not know how to occupy the crease and grind out an innings if necessary? Has ODI and T20 cricket saturated the landscape so much that the modern day cricketers instincts are to hit their way out of trouble and there's no Plan B (which was to rotate the strike in the old days)?

Pretty much.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

These problems exist no matter who the batting coach is though.

What's the job description, to piss in the players' pockets?

The Aussies like to pick dashers though.

For example, I reckon that Cameron Bancroft who is playing for Aus A and loves a good leave more than any other shot is going to be pushed to be more attacking now he is in the Aus fringe set-up. Langer has left him alone but I feel that type of pressure is coming.

 

[legend166]

So what you're saying is if we had a batting coach we'd win every game and never play a stupid shot?

 

[Aussie_boy]

The balls don't throw themselves

 

[BluesMan]

So a batting coach is suppose to magically make these players faultless? Please

If the talent isn't there, then there's only so much you can do as a coach.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

So a batting coach is suppose to magically make these players faultless? Please

If the talent isn't there, then there's only so much you can do as a coach.

Past a certain level of talent, which they'll all have or they wouldn't have got even that far, it's attitude as much as talent.

 

[Slax]

I asked this question in the match thread.

It's not to help batsmen sort out technical defects (see Shane Watson).
It's not to help our batsmen adjust to overseas wickets and bat accordingly (see how our batsmen have performed in this test).
It's not to get our batsmen to treat opposition bowlers with respect (see Ali's wickets this test match).
It's not to get our batsmen to bat responsibly and/or value their wicket (again, see how our batsmen have performed in this test).

So why do we have a batting coach?

Shane Watson is a stubborn prick who doesn't like being told what to do and won't listen anyway, so drop him for Marsh and problem solved.

This is a problem for every test playing nation we are no different, only the absolute elite batsmen can do it. Clarke is one the way down and Smith still has a lot to learn about playing away from Australian pitches.

No coach can actually bat for the players and players will always go out to some dumb shots. Hopefully they learn and treat him with a bit more respect in the 2nd test.

Batsmen who can graft an innings, occupy the crease for long periods or be willing to be patient with the opposition strike bowler are very, very rare in world cricket. We don't even see them in FC, they can't be coached to do it, you either can or you can't and with the way they come through the system it will be harder to make it to the top if you play that way now.

 

[sherb]

Shane Watson is a stubborn prick who doesn't like being told what to do and won't listen anyway, so drop him for Marsh and problem solved.

This is a problem for every test playing nation we are no different, only the absolute elite batsmen can do it. Clarke is one the way down and Smith still has a lot to learn about playing away from Australian pitches.

No coach can actually bat for the players and players will always go out to some dumb shots. Hopefully they learn and treat him with a bit more respect in the 2nd test.

Batsmen who can graft an innings, occupy the crease for long periods or be willing to be patient with the opposition strike bowler are very, very rare in world cricket. We don't even see them in FC, they can't be coached to do it, you either can or you can't and with the way they come through the system it will be harder to make it to the top if you play that way now.

That just reinforces my point I guess.

They are going to do what they want, so why the need for a batting coach?

What the hell does a batting coach actually do?

 

[bombersfan4000]

I'm pretty sure Michael Di Venuto is the batting coach.

lol well there you go

 

[Slax]

That just reinforces my point I guess.

They are going to do what they want, so why the need for a batting coach?

What the hell does a batting coach actually do?

Enjoy travelling around the world expenses paid for 4 months of the year avoiding his wife.

Thinking about it that way I need to get myself the job.

 

[sherb]

lol well there you go

Langer was no better. We managed 9/21 under his guidance.

 

[The_Reaper]

Langer was no better. We managed 9/21 under his guidance.

Meanwhile put him in WA and there was near universal improvement.

Maybe our coaches, captain and selectors can stop worshiping the altar of aggressiveness?

They all want to be Ponting without realising that Ponting could bat to the circumstances when the circumstances demanded it.

 

[The_Reaper]

Shane Watson is a stubborn prick who doesn't like being told what to do and won't listen anyway, so drop him for Marsh and problem solved.

This is a problem for every test playing nation we are no different, only the absolute elite batsmen can do it. Clarke is one the way down and Smith still has a lot to learn about playing away from Australian pitches.

No coach can actually bat for the players and players will always go out to some dumb shots. Hopefully they learn and treat him with a bit more respect in the 2nd test.

Batsmen who can graft an innings, occupy the crease for long periods or be willing to be patient with the opposition strike bowler are very, very rare in world cricket. We don't even see them in FC, they can't be coached to do it, you either can or you can't and with the way they come through the system it will be harder to make it to the top if you play that way now.

Cameron Bancroft fits the mold.

 

[bombersfan4000]

doesn't Clarke & Smith have their own batting coach?

 

[sherb]

Meanwhile put him in WA and there was near universal improvement.

Maybe our coaches, captain and selectors can stop worshiping the altar of aggressiveness?

They all want to be Ponting without realising that Ponting could bat to the circumstances when the circumstances demanded it.

Nailed it.

Bat as the circumstances dictate. As all test batsmen should be able to. They are, after all, the elite.

 

[Hamez]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...d-on-his-batting/story-fn2mcu3x-1227199148962

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/michael-di-venuto-steve-smith-allan-border-medallist/2015-01-31

Both good reads if interested.

 

[Super Hans]

Some of these blokes like Haddin need a physiatrist aswell as a batting coach..

 

[Super Hans]

Maybe our coaches, captain and selectors can stop worshiping the altar of aggressiveness?

They all want to be Ponting without realising that Ponting could bat to the circumstances when the circumstances demanded it.

Oh, don't get me started. The amount of people who justify Haddin's complete lack of brain with bat in hand by saying "that's how Gilly played!" is a joke. He'd bat how the situation required him to, can't say the same for Haddin the last 24 months.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Cameron Bancroft fits the mold.

His grandfather is a stubborn old so and so, if Cam has any of that in him, he'll be able to ignore all the 'express yourself' and 'take the bowlers on' crap he will inevitably get fed.