Worst 250 game player

[Milanista28]

My comments were in relation to the relevance of your statement regarding the value of the medals.

Meh don`t bother replying, Hirdy is your hero l get it.

Did I put the ANZAC day Medal on some scale did I? I simply posted that James won 3 of them, You then told me that they're not important because football is not war.

FFS lol.

 

[the_interloper]

You are talking about a bloke who has kicked 7 goals in a game at AFL level and had plenty of B.O.G performances playing in top 4 sides.

Darren Cuthbertson kicked 7 goals in an AFL game, and if I did research I'm sure there are plenty of spuds who have been BOG for good sides.

 

[Tulip]

So winning a medal in a big game isn't a great feat because it's not as important as war.

I ******* hate context.

Because it's called the Anzac medal and apparently the winner encompasses the spirit of the soldiers. I get it, they fought so we can play footy and be free and it's great to honour them, but it goes too far.

 

[Plugger46]

You dont know what you're talking about man. Premiership player at the Kangaroos, then even Hawthorn wanted him.....

you mean Sav

 

[Big_Birdy]

you mean Sav

Its Ok, I didnt expect everyone to get the joke

 

[Plugger46]

Peter Bell? not a 250 or 200 but Byron Pickett wasn't that could IMO. he just played well on the big stage.

 

[Falchoon]

By seasons end it will be Montagna

if Adam Shnieder can hide at the end of next year when the delistings are being done, he can own this thread soon after.

The worst player on that list to have played for the Saints is S. Wakelin, by a long way.

 

[Modified Dog]

Can you go back to not commenting on s**t threads again?

Why? What's your problem? I'm not a mind reader, mate. If you've got an issue with something I posted then why not be a man about it instead of being a smart arse?

 

[Modified Dog]

Thread needs more Nathan Burke

Nathan Burke? Are you f**king kidding?

He placed in the top 3 of St Kilda's best and fairest on 8 occasions
He was a 4 time All-Australian
He captained Victoria

• St. Kilda Best and Fairest: 1993, 1996, 1999 (r/up x2, third x3)
• St Kilda Co-Captain
• Represented Victoria 11 times
• All Australian 4 times (vice captain 1997)
• St Kilda Team of the Century
• Victorian State of Origin Captain and Vice Captain
• Herald Sun Player of the Year
• Sunday Herald Sun Player of the Year
• Channel 7 Sportsworld Player of the Year
• The Age Newspaper Player of the Year

 

[Kram]

Yeah but he wore that silly helmet.

 

[Modified Dog]

Yeah but he wore that silly helmet.

Burke probably won more contested ball than at least 15-20 players on that list combined.
For him, it was probably an off day if he didn't finish the game with a mild concussion.

 

[Modified Dog]

So winning a medal in a big game isn't a great feat because it's not as important as war.

If they gave Anzac Medals to every player who was BOG vs Collingwood at the MCG, then Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge would both have four of them. It's a joke the way people list these Anzac Medals among a player's honours and achievements. It's just another BOG for a home and away game.

Two of Hird's Anzac Medals were in games against shithouse Collingwood teams.
In 2000, Collingwood finished 15th (of 16) and won just 7 of their 22 games
In 2004, Collingwood finished 13th (of 16) and won just 8 of their 22 games

What a hero!


In the 20 years the Pies and Bombers have clashed on Anzac Day, both teams have finished in the top 8 on just 4 occasions. 3 of those 4 seasons, Essendon just barely scraped into the top 8. In 16 of 20 games, at least one of the teams was a bottom 8 side. Hardly a "clash of the titans".

2011
1st Coll 20-2, 167.7%
8th Ess 11-10-1, 100.0%

2009
4th Coll 15-7, 122.3%
8th Ess 10-11-1, 97.8%

2003
2nd Coll 15-7, 121.6%
8th Ess 13-9, 111.7%

2002
4th Coll 13-9, 109.7%
5th Ess 12-9-1, 105.0%

Anzac day is pure hype. I've been to quite a few and I'm often incredulous at how the media pump it up as a "great game". Most of the time, I come away from those games thinking how ordinary the standard of footy was. People think a big noisy crowd somehow elevates the on-field action. LOL.

 

[Rod Stroker]

When I think of Blakey I think "Never played a bad game". To have 350 like that is remarkable in itself (of course im sure he did)

Indeed. He was rarely beaten, and the ultimate professional, didn't drink, smoke or eat junk food, hence why he was called The Temple, due to the respect he had for his body.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Gotta be Peckett. Tarrant was an elite forward as well as defender at different times in his career. Peckett was never elite at anything....ever.

He was neither. Grossly overrated in both.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Beat me to it. I'd probably go a top 3 of ...

Justin Peckett
Steven Febey
Brent Guerra

With John Blakey the worst to play over 300 games.

I didn't like Guerra, particularly early in his career, but he was a very effective player. Paul Broderick is the one that jumped off that list at me.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Jeez there are some absolutely atrocious calls in this thread, and Burke and Montagna would have to be right up there.

Peckett I will cop although he's probably more in the 'worst 250 game player the average bigfooty member can remember playing'. I mean looking at that list, just for example, who is Bernard Toohey?

A quick glance at his afl tables page: 263 games spread across 3 clubs, never averaged more than ~15 touches, career best of 6 brownlow votes in a season an outlier, seems to be exactly the type of run of the mill player with longevity Peckett was but just less fresh in the mind. Toohey's just an example, there's a bunch of blokes on that list most here wouldn't have seen play.

A hard as nails half back flanker and FIGJAM.

 

[Power Raid]

David Cloke

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I'm pretty sure those in bold never won a club B&F, were All Australians, and for those who played most of their footy before 1991 didnt play state footy. But I am happy to be corrected.

Justin Peckett would give this "honour" a shake

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/biglists/bg2.txt
Rank Games Player Teams
1. 426 Michael Tuck HW
2. 403 Kevin Bartlett RI
3. 393* Dustin Fletcher ES
4. 384* Brent Harvey NM
5. 383 Robert Harvey SK
6. 378 Simon Madden ES
7. 375 Craig Bradley CA
8. 366 Bernie Quinlan WB/FI
9. 364 Brad Johnson WB
10. 359 John Blakey FI/NM
11. 356 Bruce Doull CA
12. 356 Paul Roos FI/SY
13. 351* Adam Goodes SY
14. 350 Doug Hawkins WB/FI
15. 341 Chris Grant WB
16. 340 Andrew McLeod AD
17. 336 John Rantall SY/NM/FI
18. 333 David Cloke RI/CW
19. 333 Kevin Murray FI
20. 332 Justin Madden ES/CA
21. 332 Leigh Matthews HW
22. 329 Gary Dempsey WB/NM
23. 328 John Nicholls CA
24. 328 Barry Round WB/SY
25. 325 Jason Akermanis BB/BL/WB
26. 325 Jude Bolton SY
27. 325 Ian Nankervis GE
28. 324 Paul Salmon ES/HW
29. 324 Scott West WB
30. 323 Nathan Burke SK
31. 322 Simon Black BL
32. 321 Tyson Edwards AD
33. 321 Stewart Loewe SK
34. 321 Ted Whitten WB
35. 320 Dick Reynolds ES
36. 318 Marcus Ashcroft BB/BL
37. 313 Terry Daniher SY/ES
38. 313 Roger Merrett ES/BB
39. 313* Matthew Pavlich FR
40. 313 Tony Shaw CW
41. 312 Jack Dyer RI
42. 312 Mark Ricciuto AD
43. 312 Stephen Silvagni CA
44. 311 Glenn Archer NM
45. 311 Ben Hart AD
46. 307 Tim Watson ES
47. 306 Gordon Coventry CW
48. 306 Alastair Lynch FI/BB/BL
49. 306 David Neitz ME
50. 306 Wayne Schimmelbusch NM
51. 306 Adam Simpson NM
52. 306 Paul Williams CW/SY
53. 305 Shane Crawford HW
54. 304 Russell Greene SK/HW
55. 303 Chris Langford HW
56. 303 Michael OLoughlin SY
57. 302 Luke Power BL/GW
58. 302 Don Scott HW
59. 301 Shannon Grant SY/NM
60. 301 Len Thompson CW/SY/FI
61. 300 Francis Bourke RI
62. 300 Barry Breen SK
63. 300 Garry Foulds ES
64. 300 Mick Martyn NM/CA
65. 300 Kelvin Moore HW
66. 300 Sam Newman GE
67. 300 Rohan Smith WB
68. 300 Gavin Wanganeen ES/PA
69. 297 Wayne Campbell RI
70. 297* Lenny Hayes SK
71. 294 Keith Greig NM
72. 294 Jack Titus RI
73. 293 Rod Carter FI/SY
74. 293* Kane Cornes PA
75. 292 Darren Milburn GE
76. 292 Anthony Stevens NM
77. 291 Peter Everitt SK/HW/SY
78. 290* Dean Cox WC
79. 290 Bill Hutchison ES
80. 289 Barry Davis ES/NM
81. 289 Barry Hall SK/SY/WB
82. 289 Stuart Maxfield RI/SY
83. 289 Michael Voss BB/BL
84. 288* Corey Enright GE
85. 288 Peter Riccardi GE
86. 286 Peter Bell FR/NM
87. 286* Ryan OKeefe SY
88. 285* Nick Dal Santo SK/NM
89. 285 Carl Ditterich SK/ME
90. 284 Matthew Scarlett GE
91. 283 Tony Liberatore WB
92. 283 Richard Osborne FI/SY/WB/CW
93. 282 Andrew Bews GE/BB/BL
94. 282 Matthew Richardson RI
95. 282 Wayne Schwass NM/SY
96. 281 Tony Lockett SK/SY
97. 281* Nick Riewoldt SK
98. 280 Nathan Buckley BB/CW
99. 279 Alex Jesaulenko CA/SK
100. 279 Matthew Knights RI
101. 279 Nigel Lappin BB/BL
102. 278 Anthony Koutoufides CA
103. 278 Nigel Smart AD
104. 277 Nathan Eagleton PA/WB
105. 277 Wayne Richardson CW
106. 276 Joel Corey GE
107. 276 Glen Jakovich WC
108. 275 David Dench NM
109. 275 Simon Goodwin AD
110. 275 Stephen Milne SK
111. 274 Garry Hocking GE
112. 274 Dale Weightman RI
113. 273 Shaun Hart BB/BL
114. 272* Jimmy Bartel GE
115. 272 Mark Bickley AD
116. 272 Wayne Carey NM/AD
117. 272 Robert Flower ME
118. 272 Arthur Olliver WB
119. 271* Paul Chapman GE/ES
120. 271* Chris Judd WC/CA
121. 271* Robert Murphy WB
122. 271 Adem Yze ME
123. 270 Ben Cousins WC/RI
124. 270* Darren Glass WC
125. 270 Matthew Lloyd ES
126. 270 Scott Lucas ES
127. 269 Gary Ayres HW
128. 269* Shaun Burgoyne PA/HW
129. 269 Jason Dunstall HW
130. 269* Drew Petrie NM
131. 268* Gary Ablett GE/GC
132. 268* Heath Scotland CW/CA
133. 268 Geoff Southby CA
134. 268 Chris Tarrant CW/FR
135. 268 Darryl White BB/BL
136. 268 Jeff White FR/ME
137. 268 Garry Wilson FI
138. 267 Guy McKenna WC
139. 267 Doug Wade GE/NM
140. 267 Greg Wells ME/CA
141. 266 Stan Alves ME/NM
142. 266 Don McKenzie ES
143. 265 Drew Banfield WC
144. 265 Joel Bowden RI
145. 265 Scott Burns CW
146. 265 Gary Colling SK
147. 265* Daniel Giansiracusa WB
148. 264 Ken Fletcher ES
149. 264 Chris Johnson FI/BL
150. 264 Peter Knights HW
151. 264 James McDonald ME/GW
152. 264 Jim Stynes ME
153. 264* Scott Thompson ME/AD
154. 263 Perce Bentley RI
155. 263 Jack Clarke ES
156. 263 David McKay CA
157. 263 Bernard Toohey GE/SY/WB
158. 262 Paul Broderick FI/RI
159. 262 Vic Thorp RI
160. 261 Jock McHale CW
161. 261* Sam Mitchell HW
162. 261 Darryl Wakelin SK/PA
163. 261 Stephen Wallis WB
164. 260 Fraser Gehrig WC/SK
165. 259 Paul Couch GE
166. 259 Rodney Eade HW/BB
167. 259 Robert Walls CA/FI
168. 258 Matthew Clarke BB/BL/AD/SK
169. 258 Steven Febey ME
170. 258 John Platten HW
171. 257 Saverio Rocca CW/NM
172. 256* Jonathan Brown BL
173. 256 Leon Cameron WB/RI
174. 256* James Kelly GE
175. 256 Kevin Neale SK
176. 255 Chad Cornes PA/GW
177. 255 Brent Guerra PA/SK/HW
178. 255 Alan Martello HW/RI
179. 255 Brett Ratten CA
180. 255 Warren Tredrea PA
181. 254 Ron Barassi ME/CA
182. 254 Gavin Brown CW
183. 254 Brad Green ME
184. 254 Geoff Raines RI/CW/ES/BB
185. 254 Terry Wallace HW/RI/WB
186. 253 Harry Collier CW
187. 253 James Hird ES
188. 253 Peter Matera WC
189. 253 Bruce Nankervis GE
190. 253 Bryan Wood RI/ES
191. 252 Scott Camporeale CA/ES
192. 252 Daniel Chick HW/WC
193. 252 Brian Dixon ME
194. 252 Justin Peckett SK
195. 252 Shane Wakelin SK/CW
196. 251 Mark Browning SY
197. 251 Stephen Kernahan CA
198. 251 Matthew Lappin SK/CA
199. 251* Chris Newman RI
200. 251 Kevin Sheedy RI
201. 251 Des Tuddenham CW/ES
202. 251 Nicky Winmar SK/WB
203. 250 Peter Daicos CW
204. 250 Allan Davis SK/ME/ES/CW
205. 250 Andrew Embley WC
206. 250* Luke Hodge HW
207. 250 Lou Richards CW
208. 250 Greg Williams GE/SY/CA

 

[gutsroy]

JFC White was considered arguably the best ruck in the league until they changed the jumping rules.

Spot on. Jeff White was a top flight ruckman and has no business at all even being brought into connection with this thread.

 

[gutsroy]

Some 250 game players are not as good within that group in relative terms, but there's no shame in that. It is interesting to see some names that get thrown up, some like Blakey and White are quite surprising.

 

[RedLegs#5]

the thread is about the worst 250 games players, out of those i have seen play i picked those as the worst 4. Not saying he wasnt a good player but in my worst 4

I know I barrack for Melbourne....but what?? He was an outstanding ruckman. Outstanding.

I bring into question your knowledge of the game.

 

[BEEG]

How can anyone name Sav Rocca?

257 Games
748 Goals

 

[Condon3]

Really think u should remove the Big Sav from the bold players , 13th on the all time goalkicking list ahead of the likes of Barry Hall , David Neitz and Warren Tredrea , Collingwood B&F 1995 , leading goalkicker at club level 10 seasons during his 15 seasons at AFL level .

Sheeds is an AFL legend no doubt , but i think if u really look at only his playing career his name might be closer to being a bit bolder .

FYI , Russell Greene won the AFL players association award for the most valuable player in 1984 (along with a B&F,an All Aussie and 3 Flags ) , also Spider Everitt was actually All Aussie 3 times , Drew Petrie All Aussie once , just for correction shake .

 

[TassieSaint]

I'm pretty sure those in bold never won a club B&F, were All Australians, and for those who played most of their footy before 1991 didnt play state footy. But I am happy to be corrected.

Justin Peckett would give this "honour" a shake

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/biglists/bg2.txt
Rank Games Player Teams
77. 291 Peter Everitt SK/HW/SY

Spida was a triple All Australian and won B+F's at both St Kilda and Hawthorn. Does not belong in the conversation.

 

[Roobs321]

Only considering players that played during my lifetime, I have to lean towards Justin Peckett. The only thing on his side is 2 top 3 B&F finishes, one of which was in a minor premiership winning season. But given the Saints were bad more than good, I think that makes his games total slightly less outstanding.

Eagleton not far behind, but he had 4 seasons of 400+ disposals, 4 seasons of 20+goals, and a 10+ Brownlow year, and 2003-04 were the only years when he played in a regular loser. A few highlights doesn't hurt either.

I think Febey can be excused based on his 1998, which was pretty good. Appearing in 2 GFs 12 years apart, a bit like with Banfield, also indicates early career and late career serviceability (and not racking up lots of games in strugglers). The one thing against him might be that he played in 9 seasons where he failed to get a single Brownlow vote. If you take out his best season, it's 9 votes from 233 games (inc. finals).

Chris Newman would also be in consideration, but I think his solid captaincy and worth to a besieged defence saves him a little.